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Old 03-25-2008, 04:40 PM
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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Okay, if you want to play word games, I'll be more specific. Why is logging in over the internet necessary to use this kitchen?
Because most people find using the internet easier than dial up?

It was released before without requiring a login, and there were issues. This way resolves a lot of those issues and provides some additional features. Maybe in the future a different way will surface, but this is it for now. It's not open for debate.

For the other questions posed,

Using your ppcgeeks id makes it easier for us to identify who we are talking to. It does not _have_ to be your ppcgeeks id. Your password can be anything. The username and password are remembered login to login as a convenience to you (and me - I hate typing the same thing again and again).
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Old 03-25-2008, 04:45 PM
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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Wow... it was a lot harder then I expected to get that answer. Maybe I am asking the wrong way. I keep trying to find out if any base in this kitchen fixes the known issue with wpa2-psk in the mogul OEM wm6 build, and no one seems to know the answer.

I'm not a kitchen noob, nor am I suggesting in any way anyone owes me an answer, or a fix, or any other nonsense. I was just wondering if anyone had success with *any* base of this kitchen, getting wifi to connect to *any* wpa or wpa2-psk wifi.

If anyone does succeed, feel free to let me know what combo worked (which base, which brand of wifi, which

And yes, great job as always guys on this kitchen.
You'll have trouble if you're using wmwifirouter, unless you disable it. I've had no trouble with wpa2-psk TKIP or AES using 5054 against netgear and linksys hardware.
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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I just wanted to verify that if I can perform updates that does not guarantee I can login?
That is correct.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:20 PM
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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Okay, I give up. I've tried to call attention to a feature that, at present, does nothing useful and completely breaks the app for some users. I have no doubt that this feature will be useful eventually, and I can even see the logic in getting people used to logging in now. But the fact remains that the app is broken right now for people behind a corporate proxy to support a feature that currently does nothing. I've asked for explanations of what's going on behind the scenes to make this so necessary, but Guru has just told me to deal with it or use a different kitchen. All I'm allowed to know is what I can reverse engineer.
No, what I told you was I'm working on it and you can help if you want. Telling you why it is needed will not help you get it working, and it's not going to be removed.

BTW, it's not broken - I actually left it that way intentionally (task prioritization). No one should be using this software at work (before, during, or after). It's only because I'm not your mother/father or your boss and that some people have proxies in non-work environments that I'm willing to make it work in this manner.
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As for his offer of help, well, if I can't use the kitchen behind a corporate proxy, is there really any chance I can get into the chatroom? Plus, I'm not a sysadmin here. I'm barely a local admin on my own PC. I even have to download .exe or .msi files via my phone and transfer them via ActiveSync, since I can't download them on our network.
Yes, there is a chance (although slim). Of course, you missed the whole email me part that wasn't in parenthesis at the beginning of the sentence. Nice to know you do know how to tether and choose to be difficult for the fun of it though.
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It's clear I'm the odd man out here. I get that. I also get that the folks behind this project still hold a grudge against me for my sin against Helmi back in my Apache days. Small wonder I haven't been banned here. So fine. I'll go away.
Don't be ridiculous. You haven't been treated any different than anyone else. You're not the first person to have this issue, but you are the first person to throw a tantrum over it. That may work for you in other settings, but it has little positive effect upon me.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:26 PM
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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I just hope I can get this working by tonight.... I have a flight tomorrow and I want to use gps on the plane [MYTHBUSTERS PROVED CELL PHONES DON'T MESS WITH PLANE EQUIPTMENT]
I'm surprised I missed that Mythbusters episode. I'll have to look up their methods.

Here comes another know-it-all answer:

I worked in the Air Force as a communications and navigations specialist for ten years and in my experience, never was able to affect equipment while on the plane using all sorts of neato gadgets. I was naughty and did a lot of playing when bored on nightshift. This included (but wasn't limited to) splicing an mp3 player in to the PA system and utilizing handheld GPS while onboard. (and I had a much beefier unit than the Mogul.) I was never able to produce any disturbance in equipment. The planes I worked on upgraded to permanent GPS modules over time, so that killed my fun.
I never went as far as to play with electronics RIGHT ON an antenna. Did Mythbusters do that? Even so, it would be tough to get to most antennas in flight. lol.
Speaking of antennas (receiving), their placement on aircraft is a direct result of:
#1. Testing (duh)
#2. Direction of incoming signals (line-of-site to ground, ionosphere, other aircraft, or space)
#3. Hazardous emmissions. - some equipment will cause you to become... uh... steril?

At least that what I was taught. Keep in mind I'm government trained and could be brainwashed from too much time in front of the weather radar dish.
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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Speaking of antennas (receiving), their placement on aircraft is a direct result of:
#1. Testing (duh)
#2. Direction of incoming signals (line-of-site to ground, ionosphere, other aircraft, or space)
#3. Hazardous emmissions. - some equipment will cause you to become... uh... steril?
You left off obstacle interference (like the plane body itself and ground units when taxing)

It's not easy to generate a big enough flux to distrub modern aircraft equipment. The biggest hazard is actually in little planes where magnetic compasses are still relied on. The FAA rules out electronics usage on aircraft because while "normal" equipment is not likely to cause any harm, people knowingly and unknowingly use all kinds of compromised equipment. Plus, no engineer is ever going to say a signal couldn't be interfered with when you throw in the posibility of improperly-protected/improperly-functioning aircraft equipment.
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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You'll have trouble if you're using wmwifirouter, unless you disable it. I've had no trouble with wpa2-psk TKIP or AES using 5054 against netgear and linksys hardware.
Now that is interesting.. how do you disable wmwifirouter? I mean, assuming you mean even if its not running at all (which it isnt) but its installed (which it is) I cannot connect to wpa, but if I disable it (remove it, or remove the ad-hoc entry, or ???) it will work? It sure has no effect on WEP network connections.

(I understand this is tangential, PM me?)

Edit - nevermind, saw your other post on it. "turn of auto reconnect on it" - weird, but worth a shot for sure.

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Oooh! Oooh! I found a bug!

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Hi, guys!

I flashed the Kitchen yesterday (my first flash on my brand-new XV6700 with Verizon), and saw the following issue:
  • Phone flashed normally (though, I was scared a little when it looked like the phone was stuck @ 11% for a couple of minutes!)
  • The booted up fine and seemed to be operating OK.
  • I tried connecting to the internet using Internet Sharing to test my speeds. I connected fine, and saw good download speeds of around 760 kbps.
  • I rebooted the phone after installing some more software (Live Search and WM5torage 1.
  • The Problem: Now, I can no longer get Internet Sharing to work properly. I have a good data connection (I can surf the 'net), but when I try to start Internet Sharing, I can not get an IP address on my laptop assigned in the "192.168.x.x" range. Instead, I get a "limited connectivity" IP address in Microsoft's reserved "169.254.x.x" range.
I did not see this problem with my XV6700 running the WM6.1 Kitchen.
Methinks I found a bug!



If I have Bluetooth powered "ON", I get a "limited connectivity" IP address on my computer when I try to start Internet Sharing. If I turn Bluetooth "OFF", I can get an IP address fine.

Actually, this bug has a very similar feel to a bug that occurred in a different ROM for the Apache a while ago - Maybe when the first WM6 ROMs came out, so the fix may be the same (if someone actually knows what it is).

Thanks for listening,

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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

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Plus, no engineer is ever going to say a signal couldn't be interfered with when you throw in the posibility of improperly-protected/improperly-functioning aircraft equipment.
That couldn't be more true.

If the public had any idea how jimmy-rigged equipment is sometimes, there would be a lot less passengers willing to fly. (Not that it stops me, but I'm brave like that.)
Whatever gets you past your shift is good enough, right?
Temp-repairs become permanent ones. Silicone sealant to fix stripped screws. (Because the book says an exterior panel must have all screws in place. It doesn't say HOW they must be in place.)
Whenever I watch the news and some aircraft part has fallen off, I always think about that.
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0)

Oh geez! I threw the thread off topic!

Just a quick question: is there a way to put the .nb image files for the bootscreen manually into the .nbh file? I ask because
1) the kitchen can do this automatically
2) there is a myriad of tools in the kitchen
3) I can't get no2chem's 5059 basekit to create a ROM, even with default settings checked
4) I am very pressed for time to customize my ROM, so even if this was working for me, it would be a half-*** job on my part.

I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction on which tool to use to insert the .nb image into my ROM manually.


Great work guys, you've all outdone yourselves here.

@ggurusa, I applaud your refuting of Jeff Kirvin's complaints...

@Jeff, please just relax for a week. The program has been out for 2.5 days. Hop onto the IRC channel and someone in there (probably NexVision, see my sig) is bound to be able to assist you. If not, it seems like you've already gotten plenty of offers to get this working.
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