1500MaH battery is shiiping

[MannyPR]

I go away for a few days and miss the fights! I was surprised by the accusations and was thinking calingl seidio customer service to request an RMA as well. Since I was hesitant to just believe ABC as a reliable test I called instead a good friend that happens to be an EE and tests batteries load and capacity for a living for a custom battery pack manufacturing and distribution co. here in Indiana and asked him to test my Seidio 1500mah. the OEM battery from HTC for the touch as well as the Seidio 3200mah for the Mogul (was afraid that the problem was long overdue) and the Mogul OEM battery without telling him what people are reporting so it was really blind testing.

You are going to have to forgive me for the lack of details about the tests because I am illiterate regarding electric shit but this is what I got back from him.

Seidio Touch rated at 1500= results 1483
HTC Touch OEM rated at 1100= results 1079
Seidio Mogul rated at 3200= results 3145
HTC Mogul OEM rated at 1500= results 1465

All the batteries are used batteries so I was told that it might be the reason for the variance vs rated mah. The test were conducted in a laboratory with controlled humidity and temperature.

Needless to say that I am keeping my batteries.

The flabbergasted crowd will probably accuse me of being an employee from Seidio or something similar but I don't care. I am shocked that people would bash a company just for the heck of it without any scientific evidence to support their claims. If I was Seidio I would be talking to my lawyers since I am sure this had to cost them a shit load of money.

[MannyPR]

Originally Posted by Beachbumcook

Thank you for your reply above.

The "tone" of this post is completely different than the previous one. Thank you for offering to look into this "issue" and to advise all of us what you find (if anything).

Again, thanks...

20 posts and 16 of them are about how bad seidio is? Talk about deceptive marketing.

[KoukiFC3S]

Can someone use Spb benchmark to test the batteries?
It's free after registration.

http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/gen..._and_1600.html

[Beachbumcook]

Originally Posted by MannyPR

I go away for a few days and miss the fights! I was surprised by the accusations and was thinking calingl seidio customer service to request an RMA as well. Since I was hesitant to just believe ABC as a reliable test I called instead a good friend that happens to be an EE and tests batteries load and capacity for a living for a custom battery pack manufacturing and distribution co. here in Indiana and asked him to test my Seidio 1500mah. the OEM battery from HTC for the touch as well as the Seidio 3200mah for the Mogul (was afraid that the problem was long overdue) and the Mogul OEM battery without telling him what people are reporting so it was really blind testing.

You are going to have to forgive me for the lack of details about the tests because I am illiterate regarding electric shit but this is what I got back from him.

Seidio Touch rated at 1500= results 1483
HTC Touch OEM rated at 1100= results 1079
Seidio Mogul rated at 3200= results 3145
HTC Mogul OEM rated at 1500= results 1465

All the batteries are used batteries so I was told that it might be the reason for the variance vs rated mah. The test were conducted in a laboratory with controlled humidity and temperature.

Needless to say that I am keeping my batteries.

The flabbergasted crowd will probably accuse me of being an employee from Seidio or something similar but I don't care. I am shocked that people would bash a company just for the heck of it without any scientific evidence to support their claims. If I was Seidio I would be talking to my lawyers since I am sure this had to cost them a shit load of money.

Interesting results...

This is the kind of testing we have been looking for (even though you have no details on how the test was run)... but none the less interesting. Too bas Seidio doesn't offer to run such a test and then describe how the test was conducted (surely they have the engineers to do so)? Funny how a private citizen like yourself has too do it.

Maybe there was a defective batch?

Maybe the ABC battery meter program is deficient?

Maybe for the lack of knowing better, the "average Joe" has to rely on the programs and testing that one has available since we do not all have friends like yours?

Maybe, some of us jumped the gun?

For the record, I too thought I was getting more battery life out of the extended battery, but between the "large gap" around the camera lens (allows dirt in) and the "creaking" of my back cover and the posting of "false user reviews" and the possibilty of a mis-marketed battery.... I wanted to send back before my "return window" was past and I could not do it (14 days).

I travel by air and rent cars weekly, and ended up buying from my local Sprint store an AC/DC mini USB travel charger. This way I can charge up my phone (OEM battery) while in my car and/or my hotel room at night and still carry just one charger (not 2).

Below is a picture of what I bought... and the reasons why:

1) Dual power charger costs less than extended battery.

2) Using only Sprint purchased charger and OEM battery (in case they ever have an issue with me for warrenty).

3) Provides unlimited power either in my office, rental car or hotel room.

4) The power cord is straight-wire and not coiled, so it is eay to use while driving and very long.



Thanks,

[Beachbumcook]

Originally Posted by MannyPR

20 posts and 16 of them are about how bad seidio is? Talk about deceptive marketing.

Nope... nothing deceptive about it.

I bought a Sprint Touch phone on 11/4/07.

I bought a Seidio 1500 mAh battery soon afterwards.

I joined this site (and others) since purchasing my first PDA phone.

I have legitimate concerns about my Seidio purchase, battery performance, Seidio's initial reply and their use of a post of mine as a "user review" on their site.

Having more posts than me makes no one any more important, special or legitimate than anyone else. The people you may want to be concerned about are those that never bought the battery, but are more upset with "past issues" of Seidio and wish to just "start an argument"!!!!

[paynej]

Originally Posted by MannyPR

Since I was hesitant to just believe ABC as a reliable test I called instead a good friend that happens to be an EE and tests batteries load and capacity for a living

You know, I was wondering when someone would come forward and actually discuss how these things are rated. Like almost every other item on the planet which is rated in mah, volts, or watts - these are ALWAYS tested via equipment and NOT VIA software.

And simply demanding from a manufacturer to disclose how they verified their ratings is like going up to your local grocer and demanding to be shown how they verified that their 2% milk was only 2%.

Here is the one undisbutable fact - to advertise something that this a lie is illegal. Period.

They are not ignorant. To sell a battery advertized as being a higher mah than it actually was would only invite a lawsuit. All it takes is someone like our friend in Indiana to prove it is not as advertised and then it's over.

So the fact is that via 3rd party testing, it appears that the battery is exactly what they said it is. Imagine that.

I can completely understand their reaction and position. In this very same thread they have been accused of falsifying their data; creating phantom endorsements; and using excuses to obfuscate why they can't tell you how they determine their battery ratings.

And people who post real world comments are ignored (more than once people stated that the battery did in fact last much longer for them); while others misrepresent findings from a program that wasn't even designed to measure battery capacity to make inaccurate statements about their product.

Everyone here makes a living doing something. Right?

How would you like it if someone who was not qualified to hold your job started making public coments about the quality of your work? And to make it worse; they demand that you prove the quality of your work or they will continue to make bad comments about it.

Bottom line - the battery's capacity is what it is claimed to be.

And this has been another good, old-fashioned Salem Witch Hunt.

[pg2k3]

Whether it has extra capacity or not I sent it back because I don't feel it was worth the extra $45 bucks (30 bucks maybe). I don't make alot of money and I couldn't justify keeping it for marginal improvements in performance.

[paynej]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

also funny how you base it one ONE persons testament, boy i can list numbers off my "buddy" told me too- "hey its lab tested 1050mah!!! my buddy tested it in a lab too!!" (not that im saying hes a liar, just anyone can say anything- its the freakin internet dont trust everything u see at face). Being here 3 months doesnt and actively bashing another user (post #70) doesnt make someone more credible in my book, just less. Ill wait for some solid reliable evidence is posted like a scan of a results sheet not someone making a lot of big claims everyone's just supposed to believe at face

But its interesting how you claim as a matter of fact it is what it should be like you REALLY know.

Oh my god.... Quit whining already.

For those of you who truly must see for yourselves (since our rocket scientist here wants to discredit an EE he's never met) ---- go down to your local Radio Shack (or even Sears) and buy a Multimeter and test the battey yourself!!!!

My low post count obviosly has something to do with my IQ. Since you've chosen to insinuate that because my post count is low my opinion and comments shouldn't matter.

It's no wonder why this site has such a bad reputation for whining....

Here's the facts - everyone's all in a tizzy because someone used a piece of software (that even the author indicates is a poor fit) instead of a common multimeter available at Radio Shack, Sears, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, etc.

And they started a rumour that the batteries were not what they were sold to be.

And they raised holy h*ll because they sent an army of emails over the largest holiday of the year and didn't get an tiemly response (I bet they took the holidays off - but who cares).

So here's a tip Mr. Smart*Kluf&%^$^; buy a battery, buy a meter, test the battery, and then start a class action lawsuit for millions when you prove your right and the folks with the other testers are wrong.

Oh ... and here's a newsflash for those of you who don't understand the concept of public discussion...

Everything you say and post on a forum is legally defensible and a matter of public record.

That means you can be sued for libel if they don't like what you say. And they can use your quote without your permission if they do like what you say.

Every movie and book publicist in the world will lift statements off paper and web sites to endorse their product.

If you don't want to look like an A** on some website when they reproduce what you've said - then don't say it.

[MannyPR]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

also funny how you base it one ONE persons testament, boy i can list numbers off my "buddy" told me too- "hey its lab tested 1050mah!!! my buddy tested it in a lab too!!" (not that im saying hes a liar, just anyone can say anything- its the freakin internet dont trust everything u see at face). Being here 3 months doesnt and actively bashing another user (post #70) doesnt make someone more credible in my book, just less. Ill wait for some solid reliable evidence is posted like a scan of a results sheet not someone making a lot of big claims everyone's just supposed to believe at face.

I don't care of you believe it or not, I got the test done for my own use and decided to share the results that I was given. Take it with a grain of salt if you must. My facts are that the batteries tested performed as expected, I can't talk about yours and that I am enjoying the extended battery life that I was offered when I purchased them. That's it for me, I just can't believe that our geek community got their panties all bunched up over some data given by a single software running in a completely uncontrolled environment without even talking to the programmer to see if it was compatible with the Touch.

[MannyPR]

Originally Posted by Beachbumcook

Nope... nothing deceptive about it.

I bought a Sprint Touch phone on 11/4/07.

I bought a Seidio 1500 mAh battery soon afterwards.

I joined this site (and others) since purchasing my first PDA phone.

I have legitimate concerns about my Seidio purchase, battery performance, Seidio's initial reply and their use of a post of mine as a "user review" on their site.

Having more posts than me makes no one any more important, special or legitimate than anyone else. The people you may want to be concerned about are those that never bought the battery, but are more upset with "past issues" of Seidio and wish to just "start an argument"!!!!

Agreed, I retract my comment. It just looked fishy that someone would just join and jump all over the argument with hardly any posts on anything else but I guess it could have been me as well when I had just joined. My bad