Who plans to go HD2? - Page 18

**brownhornet** · #**171** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rorytmeadows

T-Mobile's scheduled to release their 3G+ within the next couple months, which is said to rival 4G networks. Sprint's 4G is out with no phones to support it until mid-summer 2010. And full 4G roll-out for Sprint and Verizon not expected for a few years (2013-2014).

That doesn't sound too late to me.

Plus, T-Mobile might just buy out Sprint, which throws the whole thing overboard.

Nothing more than a rumor that will never happen. Ask Sprint how purchasing a different network type other than yours works out when they purchased IDEN. If T-mobile made that move after seeing how much of a fail that was then they are idiots. Maintaining a GSM and CDMA on the same network... not smart. If you notice with other mergers (AT&T/Cingular, Verizon/Alltel) they were both running the same type network.

WisdomWolfX · #**172** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

What's even funnier is T-Mobile's 3G will be just as fast, if not faster, than Sprint's 4G. And there will be plenty of device support for it, unlike Sprint's WiMax.

People seem to be missing the fact that T-Mobile is rolling out 21 meg HSPA+, not your typical, average, every day 3G (which AT&T's current "fastest in the nation" is 7.2 meg HSPA).

I hate the advertised speeds that they use for comparison. AT&T sees no where near 7.2mbps in real world use and I'm sure that same can be said for HSPA+'s 21mbps. If you want to talk theoretical MAX speeds, Sprint's Wimax is capable of over 70mbps down and Verizon's LTE is capable of 300mbps. 21mpbs?

Also, I may be wrong, but I believe HSPA+ still requires new devices, so they are on the same level as Sprint. Difference is that Sprint's Wimax network is ALREADY HERE with continued rollouts going on all the time. Also, Sprint is expected to announce the first wimax handset next week so we can only speculate at what it is or it's release date until then.

I am not saying that T-mobile is making big, important, and much needed strides. I'm just saying that they will have some stiff competition with true next gen technology from the "inferior" CDMA carriers.

WisdomWolfX · #**173** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brownhornet

Nothing more than a rumor that will never happen. Ask Sprint how purchasing a different network type other than yours works out when they purchased IDEN. If T-mobile made that move after seeing how much of a fail that was then they are idiots. Maintaining a GSM and CDMA on the same network... not smart. If you notice with other mergers (AT&T/Cingular, Verizon/Alltel) they were both running the same type network.

I completely agree. A merger with IDEN/CDMA/GSM would be an absolute nightmare for both the company and the customers. I worked at Sprint during the merger and OMG...what a clusterf$%#k that was.

lw00d · #**174** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:23 PM

im not.. i dont like touch screen only phones.. i need the keyboard... im going to get the touch pro 3 on big red. hope it has windows 7 and a new snap dragon chip..

**BlackDynamite** · #**175** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WisdomWolfX

I hate the advertised speeds that they use for comparison. AT&T sees no where near 7.2mbps in real world use and I'm sure that same can be said for HSPA+'s 21mbps. If you want to talk theoretical MAX speeds, Sprint's Wimax is capable of over 70mbps down and Verizon's LTE is capable of 300mbps. 21mpbs?

Also, I may be wrong, but I believe HSPA+ still requires new devices, so they are on the same level as Sprint. Difference is that Sprint's Wimax network is ALREADY HERE with continued rollouts going on all the time. Also, Sprint is expected to announce the first wimax handset next week so we can only speculate at what it is or it's release date until then.

I am not saying that T-mobile is making big, important, and much needed strides. I'm just saying that they will have some stiff competition with true next gen technology from the "inferior" CDMA carriers.

No, incorrect. Any T-Mobile 3G device will work on the new network. It's fully backwards compatible with regular HSPA. So no, you don't need special devices to take advantage of it. If you want a good example of this, AT&T recently upgraded from 3.6 to 7.3 meg HSPA, and all the same devices work. Similar to when Sprint upgraded from EVDO rev 0 to EVDO rev A. Yes, the device has to support the higher speed, but it will still work at the older speed. And it is far easier to get devioce support within the same, existing technology (faster HSPA) than an entirely different technology (WiMax).

And we're talking about a nationwide rollout within the next few months.

As for 4G, T-Mobile has already made it clear they will have a 4G rollout nationwide no later than the other big carriers. The only question is are they rolling out LTE or are they buying Clearwire (which is where the rumors that they were buying Sprint started).

But make no mistake about it- in a fe wmonths T-Mobile will have a nationwide network pulling real world speeds that rival Sprint's 4G, with all kinds of devices that support it. And they will also be in the midst of rolling out a nationwide 4G network at that time (or maybe even buying an existing 4G network).

WisdomWolfX · #**176** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

No, incorrect. Any T-Mobile 3G device will work on the new network. It's fully backwards compatible with regular HSPA. So no, you don't need special devices to take advantage of it. If you want a good example of this, AT&T recently upgraded from 3.6 to 7.3 meg HSPA, and all the same devices work. Similar to when Sprint upgraded from EVDO rev 0 to EVDO rev A. Yes, the device has to support the higher speed, but it will still work at the older speed. And it is far easier to get devioce support within the same, existing technology (faster HSPA) than an entirely different technology (WiMax).

And we're talking about a nationwide rollout within the next few months.

As for 4G, T-Mobile has already made it clear they will have a 4G rollout nationwide no later than the other big carriers. The only question is are they rolling out LTE or are they buying Clearwire (which is where the rumors that they were buying Sprint started).

But make no mistake about it- in a fe wmonths T-Mobile will have a nationwide network pulling real world speeds that rival Sprint's 4G, with all kinds of devices that support it. And they will also be in the midst of rolling out a nationwide 4G network at that time (or maybe even buying an existing 4G network).

You do realize that you contradict yourself, right?

**BlackDynamite** · #**177** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:37 PM

FYI, here is the CEO of Sony-Ericcson basically saying the same thing as me about WiMax:
http://gigaom.com/2009/08/12/wimax-n...-ericsson-cto/

So when you have CEO's basically saying they aren't going to support it and they don;t anticipate anyone else will either, and right now the only devices available for it are custom made USB sticks, that should be a major red flag to everyone touting it as a success.

hidaya · #**178** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pesok

i plan to go HD2 but when it comes to Sprint on jan 6, although there is doubt if it will work on my sero(since it will most likely have 4g)

really r u sure this is comming to sprint????

**brownhornet** · #**179** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

FYI, here is the CEO of Sony-Ericcson basically saying the same thing as me about WiMax:
http://gigaom.com/2009/08/12/wimax-n...-ericsson-cto/

So when you have CEO's basically saying they aren't going to support it and they don;t anticipate anyone else will either, and right now the only devices available for it are custom made USB sticks, that should be a major red flag to everyone touting it as a success.

Doesnt really matter to me how fast t-mobiles data speed will be when I cant even use their phones in the house.

rorytmeadows · #**180** (**permalink**) 12-30-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

No, incorrect. Any T-Mobile 3G device will work on the new network. It's fully backwards compatible with regular HSPA. So no, you don't need special devices to take advantage of it. If you want a good example of this, AT&T recently upgraded from 3.6 to 7.3 meg HSPA, and all the same devices work. Similar to when Sprint upgraded from EVDO rev 0 to EVDO rev A. Yes, the device has to support the higher speed, but it will still work at the older speed. And it is far easier to get devioce support within the same, existing technology (faster HSPA) than an entirely different technology (WiMax).

And we're talking about a nationwide rollout within the next few months.

As for 4G, T-Mobile has already made it clear they will have a 4G rollout nationwide no later than the other big carriers. The only question is are they rolling out LTE or are they buying Clearwire (which is where the rumors that they were buying Sprint started).

But make no mistake about it- in a fe wmonths T-Mobile will have a nationwide network pulling real world speeds that rival Sprint's 4G, with all kinds of devices that support it. And they will also be in the midst of rolling out a nationwide 4G network at that time (or maybe even buying an existing 4G network).

Very awesomely said. It's nice to see someone else read up on all this stuff.