Keep Diamond or go to Pro?

[ou2mame]

i've had both phones, and the pro seems to be much faster. i think a lot had to do with the fact that i now have all my apps installed on the system memory, and not the internal/sd memory.

i notice slightly better reception, battery life seems a little better... screenwise, they're the same to me. i've had 3 diamonds and 2 pros, and the screens were all the same to me. there's a lot of things that can cause touchflo to crawl to a halt... i experienced that today. i reset the phone and it was fine. its software, it happens. for the most part though, i do have to say that the pro's i had were slightly faster than the diamonds.

and for the record, but cameras are major suckage. anyone who says anything different just doesn't use theirs, or wants to be happy with it. but the camera is slow as ****, blurs every pic you take in anything less than daylight, and overall produces really big pictures that are grainy, blury, washed out, and overall terrible. i haven't taken one picture with this phone worth printing. maybe its just because i'm a photo major, and use expensive equipment everyday, but this phone takes the WORST pictures. htc really needs to fix the camera app, because whether its the diamond or the pro, just move the phone around with the camera turned on, and see if you can see anything. you need to put the damn thing on a tripod to get a decent picture.

one difference that was an issue with diamond users was that the touch pro has a different radio rom version. the sprint and verizon versions both have different versions. i had the verizon radio rom on my diamonds, and the battery life was improved. my pro seems to have signficantly better battery life than the diamond as well. su2u also does't work on the pro very well, but worked fine on my diamond. no clue about that, something about the video drivers maybe? there's differences though, software and hardware...

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

there's hardware differences with it too.. its not just the keyboard. some software is different, and some things are unrelated to each other. its better to have it separated.. even the roms aren't backwards compatible without tweaking.

I see now you are refering to my comment about seperate forums....

Is there not enough things about the two that are the SAME to create a single 'touch diamond/pro' forum and have the diamond and pro issues as child forums....

or is it seriously like trying to have the same forum for the mogul and the touch....???

I just imagine that it would be a little more tidy, and I guess I thought there would be a substational ammount between the 2 models

(well, they are the same 'model' kinda...) anyways, correction:
I thought there would be quite a bit of info that is the same regarding to the two *MODEL OPTIONS/PACKAGES/VERSIONS* that it would be worth seperating the differences into sub or child forums....
Like... I see the HTC Touch as the new model, with two versions, the all-touch diamond, and the slightly SLIGHTLY bulkier pro to fit a little keyboard....


If I am wrong, feel free to put me in my place and point me towards links that has listed some differences... I'm just tryin to learn more about my new toy.... OOO and i still have the box and receipt, etc.... soooooo I can still exchange if I find out something unexpected.


One thing I realized, is I liked the htc phones because they seem to do a fairly good job at running windows mobile (altough, it is windows... and it is a PPC, they aren't perfect...). So in the past, if you wanted to use navigation, or get your own programs, or use the once hidden gps, etc etc.... you had to get a PPC and hack it, or download the programs you need, because the non PPC phones were not so customization friendly, and sprint would charge for programs like their nav, etc....

HERE is a questions I've been pondering... with the new plans they have now, the GPS, internet, etc... is all included, (yes more money, we saw that change coming)... but also no more trying to get around the locked up gps crap, and needing custom free programs.

So, with all of this included, I was wondering how a black berry stands up to WM 6.1? Will I end up paying for programs or can I find plenty of free like the PPC has... ???
I mainly use the net, texting, facebook +myspace, gps, etc but none of the buisness crap is needed (email servers, etc).... however, like before the 6800 had threaded text, I wanted to be able to use my own text program (before palm found out we were distributing it.. cough) but thats just an example....
anyways, I don't need all the PPC features, I just liked them cause I could customize my programs, and find free sources for them without going through sprint for every damn thing.....

so... does the black berry (pearl, curve...) whatever the non touch screen is...... would I be able to find free progs and customize it similar to the ppc w/ WM6.1 ???
(oh sidenote, the kid that came in to trade his pro for an instinct, he was looking at the 2 new black berry phones first... and the rep said that the pictures had to be send over email (like our ppc phones used to have to do).... is this true w/ the black berry phones?? they have no MMS?

sorry about the long blabling..... it is hard to express what I am trying to say... hopefully someone will understand.

[ou2mame]

there's so much software available for free, and blackberry is the complete opposite. blackberry's software platform is very similar to the iphone, and any other phone that has its own operating system (like the instinct too). you wouldn't be able to hack a blackberry like you could a windows mobile device, and you definitely can't find as much free software.

out of the box, i think that the sprint touch pro/diamond has every feature that the average user will want. its got texting, mms, email, gps, ms office tools, etc.. anything else that you may want, you can find for the most part. i haven't thought to myself "hmm, i really want to do this, but can't" yet. i've found my way around it.

as for the differences, like i said, there's numerous hardware and software differences. if you use the search engine, i'm sure you can find some threads about them. i'm too lazy to do that, but there are differences.

OH, and before i forget.. the heat issue with the diamonds, that the vzw radio rom seemed to help with... yeah, don't have that with the touch pro. i think thats because of the heatsheild though, but it could be because of the radio rom. my diamonds used to get so hot that it wouldn't charge. that's an issue if you're tethering cause then it doesn't charge and just dies. i haven't had that happen yet on the pro.

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

i've had both phones, and the pro seems to be much faster. i think a lot had to do with the fact that i now have all my apps installed on the system memory, and not the internal/sd memory.

i notice slightly better reception, battery life seems a little better... screenwise, they're the same to me. i've had 3 diamonds and 2 pros, and the screens were all the same to me. there's a lot of things that can cause touchflo to crawl to a halt... i experienced that today. i reset the phone and it was fine. its software, it happens. for the most part though, i do have to say that the pro's i had were slightly faster than the diamonds.

and for the record, but cameras are major suckage. anyone who says anything different just doesn't use theirs, or wants to be happy with it. but the camera is slow as ****, blurs every pic you take in anything less than daylight, and overall produces really big pictures that are grainy, blury, washed out, and overall terrible. i haven't taken one picture with this phone worth printing. maybe its just because i'm a photo major, and use expensive equipment everyday, but this phone takes the WORST pictures. htc really needs to fix the camera app, because whether its the diamond or the pro, just move the phone around with the camera turned on, and see if you can see anything. you need to put the damn thing on a tripod to get a decent picture.

one difference that was an issue with diamond users was that the touch pro has a different radio rom version. the sprint and verizon versions both have different versions. i had the verizon radio rom on my diamonds, and the battery life was improved. my pro seems to have signficantly better battery life than the diamond as well. su2u also does't work on the pro very well, but worked fine on my diamond. no clue about that, something about the video drivers maybe? there's differences though, software and hardware...

thanks for the info...

I would suspect the radio rom versions to be updated sometime in the next 6 months.... I don't really see why a keyboard would have a different rom.

rom versions surely effect batterly life, but since you noticed that w/ the verizon radio rom, the pro had better battery life than the diamond, then the diamond's hardware isn't to blame for lower battery life.... sprint actually lists the diamond at 4.somethin hours talk time, and the pro at only 4 hours. as far as su2u... that worked great on my 6800, but the longer I used it, the more it slowed down everything.... I think I will stay away from that app.... I don't need to look like I have a lock that copies iphone.... I can see the video graphics being different, since the pro needs room for the keyboard.... but I don't see why they made so much different to a phone that is basically the same, even CALLED the same thing, just one has a keyboard and one doesn't.

like I said... I need the keyboard regardless, but I'd like to look into it more.

I APOLOGIZE for taking this thread off track.... but it is SOMEWHAT to the point.... expressing the differences between the two types, and even throwing in some crap about black berry customization now that sprint actually includes gps and threaded sms so I don't have to install it seperate

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

there's so much software available for free, and blackberry is the complete opposite. blackberry's software platform is very similar to the iphone, and any other phone that has its own operating system (like the instinct too). you wouldn't be able to hack a blackberry like you could a windows mobile device, and you definitely can't find as much free software.

out of the box, i think that the sprint touch pro/diamond has every feature that the average user will want. its got texting, mms, email, gps, ms office tools, etc.. anything else that you may want, you can find for the most part. i haven't thought to myself "hmm, i really want to do this, but can't" yet. i've found my way around it.

as for the differences, like i said, there's numerous hardware and software differences. if you use the search engine, i'm sure you can find some threads about them. i'm too lazy to do that, but there are differences.

OH, and before i forget.. the heat issue with the diamonds, that the vzw radio rom seemed to help with... yeah, don't have that with the touch pro. i think thats because of the heatsheild though, but it could be because of the radio rom. my diamonds used to get so hot that it wouldn't charge. that's an issue if you're tethering cause then it doesn't charge and just dies. i haven't had that happen yet on the pro.

weird... I have mine trough sprint, and somehow they always end up with different issues...

as far as my reference to the blackberry.... its like, now that the new HTC ppc's come with everyone I want (like you mentioned... no need to add MMS, no need to add threaded sms, or unlock a GPS)... it makes me wonder if a blackberry would be easier for me to use.... I guess my questions is (just like the iphone, etc, you mentioned)...most of the blackberry software is going to be closed development, and is going to cost extra $$??

thats when I new I was keeping with PPC's, was when I learned everything the 6700 and 6800 could do that sprint didn't let you know about ... now that the previous 'hacks' are included.... I don't need email, etc.... and its cheaper... I dunno I should probably keep my touch pro before I regret it, or at least play around with the black berry before making any changes.

another side questions I've been wondering for a long while::::
Anyone ever figure out how to display/control HTC ppc's from a larger touchscreen for navigation/media/anything purposes..... it would make the cheapest, easily portable carputer.... but I just don't know of a way to send the display to an external touch screen and then send the commands back to the phone????

again, thanks for the info, its helping me learn my new phone just like I had to learn so much about the 6700, and almost read a book to get touch skin, GPS, and Rev a speeds on my 6800 lol

[psychotic]

OH, and before i forget.. the heat issue with the diamonds, that the vzw radio rom seemed to help with... yeah, don't have that with the touch pro. i think thats because of the heatsheild though, but it could be because of the radio rom. my diamonds used to get so hot that it wouldn't charge. that's an issue if you're tethering cause then it doesn't charge and just dies. i haven't had that happen yet on the pro.

interesting... I would think the pro would be more likely to heat up with the keyboard taking up space.

and tethering.... Thats another thing I can't help but wonder when I go into sprint... they sell the little broadband cards, and the data card is sold just like any other phone, on sale when you renew/open a new line... and its considered a seperate line.... yet I can just hook that laptop into my mobile phone and use the HTC as a modem for the same function..... is this for people who need to be on their PPC WHILE surfing the net wirelessly? or is it targetting that fact that most people don't realize you can pay a little more, and get the wirless internet that comes with a phone and WM 6.1 then use it the same way.....

[psychotic]

I guess my whole dive into the black berry idea was trying to simplify the phone just to what I mainly use it for... pics, text, phone, ocasional net...... but I like the HUGE variety of free apps that you can get with WM...... I just dislike that, because it is a PPC, WM has to load, and just like any other computer, it will crash and act up sometimes. Maybe I'm just under the assumption that these 'smart phones' / iphone / black berry are more reliable.... but I'd still hate finding something neat I want on my phone and not being able to get it, or worse... some 'store' making me pay for it. thanks again ou2mame

[ou2mame]

interesting... I would think the pro would be more likely to heat up with the keyboard taking up space.

and tethering.... Thats another thing I can't help but wonder when I go into sprint... they sell the little broadband cards, and the data card is sold just like any other phone, on sale when you renew/open a new line... and its considered a seperate line.... yet I can just hook that laptop into my mobile phone and use the HTC as a modem for the same function..... is this for people who need to be on their PPC WHILE surfing the net wirelessly? or is it targetting that fact that most people don't realize you can pay a little more, and get the wirless internet that comes with a phone and WM 6.1 then use it the same way.....

the pro has a heatshield to dispense the heat, and the diamond doesn't. i had a lot of heat/charging related issues with the diamond. if i was on a phonecall, and the phone was half charged and charging, and i was on bluetooth, it would heat up to the point that it wouldnj't charge, then the battery would drain, and it would die mid call. then i'd call the person back, and it would die again, even while charging (without using bluetooth even). that's a huge problem for me, because i can't tell a client "hey, my phone is going to die, i'll call you back in a half hour".

its for companies who don't want to rely on breaking the law to give their employees internet access, as well as people who just don't know any better.

its like software... companies buy software because they don't want to be sued. people download software because they don't want to pay for it.

I guess my whole dive into the black berry idea was trying to simplify the phone just to what I mainly use it for... pics, text, phone, ocasional net...... but I like the HUGE variety of free apps that you can get with WM...... I just dislike that, because it is a PPC, WM has to load, and just like any other computer, it will crash and act up sometimes. Maybe I'm just under the assumption that these 'smart phones' / iphone / black berry are more reliable.... but I'd still hate finding something neat I want on my phone and not being able to get it, or worse... some 'store' making me pay for it. thanks again ou2mame

i'm not gonna lie.. blackberries are stable. very. i'm not wiling to pay the data fee though. and i want to customize my device. iphone's are fairly stable too, but don't do the simple things like copy/paste, mms, gps, etc. i need that ****. pretty much anything that has been developed properly is going to be more stable than a windows mobile device, simply because there are so many windows mobile devices, which has always been the excuse with the comparison of pc vs mac. due to the numerous hardware differences, windows has always been in the business of making one software version that works with everything, and that system will never be perfect. but i don't have many problems with my pro, and i really didn't have that many windows related glitches with the diamond either. i have to soft reset sometimes, and it runs better for the rest of the day. the problems i have with the pro i didn't have with the diamond. thankfully though, i don't have the problems i had with the diamond on the pro though.

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

i've had both phones, and the pro seems to be much faster. i think a lot had to do with the fact that i now have all my apps installed on the system memory, and not the internal/sd memory.

and for the record, but cameras are major suckage. anyone who says anything different just doesn't use theirs, or wants to be happy with it. but the camera is slow as ****, blurs every pic you take in anything less than daylight, and overall produces really big pictures that are grainy, blury, washed out, and overall terrible. i haven't taken one picture with this phone worth printing. maybe its just because i'm a photo major, and use expensive equipment everyday, but this phone takes the WORST pictures. htc really needs to fix the camera app, because whether its the diamond or the pro, just move the phone around with the camera turned on, and see if you can see anything. you need to put the damn thing on a tripod to get a decent picture.

placement of apps is key, some HAVE to go in internal for best performance, orthers must be on external or you go SLOW.

as for the pictures..... thats interesting.... I didn't see any other phones with a resolution higher than 3.2 megpix. most likely is the combo of other apps running (like you said... almost anything can slow it down....) and the app itself would degrade pic quality.... we can only hope upgrades speed things up... and if you're a photo major... lol.... yeah i'd use it for the fun pics, keep the rebel close by lol

Originally Posted by ou2mame

its for companies who don't want to rely on breaking the law to give their employees internet access, as well as people who just don't know any better.
its like software... companies buy software because they don't want to be sued. people download software because they don't want to pay for it.

well, if I owned a company... I would instruct them on how to use thier ppc as a broadband modem.... tethering to use the phone as a modem is and has been an option for a while, it has worked for a while... is it even really illegal???
but yeah....I can totally see how it is easier for someone who doesn't understand computers very will to plug in a wireless card... just seems like such a waste of money..... what can I complain about though, I never fell for it and its how business works.

[ou2mame]

tethering without a pam plan is against your user agreement, and if caught will get you your account canceled. if you owned a company, and had 50+ employees using their company phones on your company plan, tethering... sprint would probably notice. and they'd probably call you. and they could charge you for every kb if they can definitively say that there's no plausible way that that much data could be downloaded to your phone. i've read in a few places over the years since sprint started blocking unregistered nai's of this happening. if you run a company, these things have to be legit. its not worth the risk.

the pic quality issue is related to the poor quality of the camera program most likely. no apps running, fresh soft reset, and the pics come out as if they are stretched in ms paint and originally taken on my old sanyo 8100 lol. there's no point in having a 3.2mp camera if the program running it isn't fast enough to handle it. you just end up with really big, terrible pictures. i mean, if i hold the phone very steady, and have a LOT of light, then yeah, the pictures come out ok. but in anything less than daylight, without putting the camera on a solid surface, they come out pretty bad. i don't care how big they are, they're still terrible pictures. thats one of my major complaints with these phones.