Warez Vs. Tethering

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by NinjaMom

Let's act like adults so no one has to take a time out, please.

why even join that fight, there is a topic at hand here

Originally Posted by moonzbabysh

ooooo nice one. Clever. see even with a great debate everyone can also have a little fun without being nasty towards one another.

Originally Posted by Hafrust

Without being nasty to one another? What thread have you been reading?

we may get a little rowdy, but we all know its not personal

Originally Posted by schettj

I don't get it.

WmWifiRouter (as a product) is NOT designed to "get around PAM" - it is designed to bridge your wireless data link on your phone into a WIFI access point. So you can share the connection with

* multiple devices
* devices with wifi but without BT or USB
* devices without the need for a USB cable

It is commercial software. It's up to you to ensure you are not violating your TOS by using it.

Do you really not understand that?

right, and creating that bridge yourself, or by using any other means to do so other than adding the proper plan from sprint, is a clear violation of TOS and stealing services from sprint.. which countless numbers of you have also pointed out as well.. your all saying you know what your doing is wrong, but i dont care... poor logic, doesnt justify stealing..

and with the highlighted section, you right its up to each one of us as individuals to make sure we dont violate our carriers TOS, expect we all openly admit we are in fact knoweldegable to the fact the were are actually violating our TOS, and in fact encouraging others to violate their carriers TOS as well..

Originally Posted by darkjedi007

And so the PAM crusades begin!

ICS hacking/tethering is like downloading mp3's. Most of the people here do it and most of the time the companies don't care or look for it. Doesn't make it any less wrong, but to most of us it's just like, whatever, who cares. Just so long as you're not one of the unlucky ones to get axed.

so as long as you, or you, or you, or you....or you are the ones that DONT get in trouble screw it, lets go ahead and set as many people up with this as possible, lets attempt to make neewbies the fall guys for our trangressions.. hey maybe if i get more people to use this stuff, maybe itll lesson the odds "i"/"me"/"we" get caught, or atleast itll take longer..

right, noone really cares if their actions really brought down some heat onto PPC, because in fact, were all about ourselves, not the community we try to say were interseted in keeping as a site of integrity.. and by continuing to allow this kinda of behavior, esecially when again, everyone admits they know its wrong, "but who cares", were making this site anything but a place of integrity..

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by edufur

the hack is legit and necessary if you are paying for PAM + using a custom ROM. If using stock / PAM, tethering works... but if you overwrite stock + PAM with cooked + NO ICS, tethering will not work unless you take extra steps. this is really just the most convenient way. bottom line... not illegal to build in the capability... and ONLY a matter of ethics and service contract beyond that.

NOW.... lets talk about pop-tarts.

NO... lets shut this mutha down.

if you cooked an incompatible ROM, hows that the carrier fault that now you have to cheat the system to get their service which if you didnt custom the ROM a simple upgrade to your plan would allow...

if your doin ROM flashes, you cant make it the carriers fault that their programs dont work with your rom... their stuff is designed to run off their ROMS... im not really against flashing.. im just saying if you willing chose to flash a rom, that doesnt have access to certain software, thats your fault and in no way the carriers, nor does it give you the right, to hack and steal the services you cant obtain due to your unathorized rom flash

[guitardoc64]

Originally Posted by rainfreak

I really like the Brown Sugar and Cinnamon Pop Tarts.

I really dislike members like the OP who post threads because they just want to stir the sh*t up and cause problems.

I like those too. My favorite is the S'mores though.

[crazychef]

Except with Phone-as-Modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device.

how is sprint implying that any other way to connect besides a PAM PLAN, is in fact acceptable...

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by rainfreak

I really like the Brown Sugar and Cinnamon Pop Tarts.

I really dislike members like the OP who post threads because they just want to stir the sh*t up and cause problems.

to cause problems?? for who, the people benefitting from the forementioned hacks??? sorry if im spoiling your/our party, but do i not have the right to open a thread and ask questions?? i believe thats all i did here...

coz was here fellas, and made no real offical stand on the matter other than the laws change all the time, basically saying who knows, maybe this is, maybe this isnt..

and i believe since i was just rule infracted some days ago, he definitely would of let me know i wasnt really handling things properly...

when are you NAY-SAYERS gonna ask each other, why im also being yelled at and deamend by you all as well..

you dont understand, im a man, and admit my faults, and that im not perfect just like none of you are... i have no probs, taking your shots in stride, however, if you cant handle what u dish out, then leave the topic..

if all u have to talk about is pop tarts and how big a douche i am.. lets ask coz, if your flammin and making usless posts.. cuz u most certainly are..

there is a topic, stick to it, or chose not to participate.. dont make the choice to violate your agreement with the site here by blantly being rude, especially when no topic relevance is involved...

[CozBoogie]

Originally Posted by crazychef

...

coz was here fellas, and made no real offical stand on the matter other than the laws change all the time, basically saying who knows, maybe this is, maybe this isnt..

and i believe since i was just rule infracted some days ago, he definitely would of let me know i wasnt really handling things properly

Coz was indeed here and what Coz said (I like referring to myself in the 3rd person) is that if we (PPCGeeks) are asked to take down anything we will comply.

Coz did not comment on the moral/ethical/legal questions that are posed in this thread. That is up to each one of us to consider when in the privacy of our own homes.

But Coz will say this: We've all done stuff that others would consider morally wrong, ethically wrong, or flat-out illegal.

PPCGeeks is a site on the internet to discuss our phones. If you're here to find moral and ethical guidance in your life regarding such trivial matters as:

Sprint data caps
ICS
PAM
Wifirouter, etc.

then perhaps there are other issues in your life that should be addressed and discussed with your family, friends, pastor, priest, counselor, etc.

Coz always signs his posts like this:

late,
Coz

[rainfreak]

Originally Posted by crazychef

to cause problems?? for who, the people benefitting from the forementioned hacks??? sorry if im spoiling your/our party, but do i not have the right to open a thread and ask questions?? i believe thats all i did here...

coz was here fellas, and made no real offical stand on the matter other than the laws change all the time, basically saying who knows, maybe this is, maybe this isnt..

and i believe since i was just rule infracted some days ago, he definitely would of let me know i wasnt really handling things properly...

when are you NAY-SAYERS gonna ask each other, why im also being yelled at and deamend by you all as well..

you dont understand, im a man, and admit my faults, and that im not perfect just like none of you are... i have no probs, taking your shots in stride, however, if you cant handle what u dish out, then leave the topic..

if all u have to talk about is pop tarts and how big a douche i am.. lets ask coz, if your flammin and making usless posts.. cuz u most certainly are..

there is a topic, stick to it, or chose not to participate.. dont make the choice to violate your agreement with the site here by blantly being rude, especially when no topic relevance is involved...

The fact of the matter is that what you are doing is finding a way around being billed by Sprint for a service that they sell. Legally speaking that means that you are stealing. Ethically speaking, well I don't think that matters to you. The same goes for the moral issues at hand.

I can tell you that I absolutely do not use the ICS hack because I would never want to get caught. To me it is not worth the price that you have to pay. So I choose to pay for the service via a data card for my laptop.

If you choose not too, that is fine. But to me, you started the whole thread with an attitude. You threw out a topic that you had to have known was going to cause a debate, albeit heated or not. And to me, that was not only not necessary, but indeed rather malicious in motive.

I for one never demeaned you but rather stated that I disliked people like you start threads like this to cause nothing more than chaos. And my opinion has only become stronger by reading your comments. I also never claimed to be perfect... I am far from it. Though I do know and try to live by what is right whether I like it or if it is convenient for me.

And as for your topic relevance, let me try to break it down for you. You can call it what you want, but if you are getting something for free that a company is charging for, then you are stealing. That is the plain and simple truth. If you don't believe me than call Sprint and ask them if they are ok with what you are doing with your phone and the reg hacks. Just make sure that you give them your account information before you ask, so that they can note your account of the theft and fraud.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by rainfreak

The fact of the matter is that what you are doing is finding a way around being billed by Sprint for a service that they sell. Legally speaking that means that you are stealing. Ethically speaking, well I don't think that matters to you. The same goes for the moral issues at hand.

I can tell you that I absolutely do not use the ICS hack because I would never want to get caught. To me it is not worth the price that you have to pay. So I choose to pay for the service via a data card for my laptop.

If you choose not too, that is fine. But to me, you started the whole thread with an attitude. You threw out a topic that you had to have known was going to cause a debate, albeit heated or not. And to me, that was not only not necessary, but indeed rather malicious in motive.

I for one never demeaned you but rather stated that I disliked people like you start threads like this to cause nothing more than chaos. And my opinion has only become stronger by reading your comments. I also never claimed to be perfect... I am far from it. Though I do know and try to live by what is right whether I like it or if it is convenient for me.

And as for your topic relevance, let me try to break it down for you. You can call it what you want, but if you are getting something for free that a company is charging for, then you are stealing. That is the plain and simple truth. If you don't believe me than call Sprint and ask them if they are ok with what you are doing with your phone and the reg hacks. Just make sure that you give them your account information before you ask, so that they can note your account of the theft and fraud.

so if i bring up a topic for discussion, that may or may not get heated, i have some malicious intent??? my intent here was to get the subject banned and removed... what wrong with that??

so are u for or against me, becuase im on the side of the argument that says were stealing, most everyone else desnt wanat to admit that..

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by rainfreak

I really like the Brown Sugar and Cinnamon Pop Tarts.

I really dislike members like the OP who post threads because they just want to stir the sh*t up and cause problems.

+1 for BS & Cinnamon

Anyway,

It wasn't that bad of topic actually. I thought it was informative for all though his reception of the answers was a up hill battle (unusually mascochistic IMHO ).

His responses may not have been 100% right but he was right to question it.
I enjoyed debating this.

[BigDiesel07]

Greatly said RainFreak and Coz...

For all those that are interested, is what is proposed here not cheating and stealing?

Should not ALL discussion about any edits, programs, or activities that change the phone being banned and deleted? Are we not all guilty of (illegally) modifying our phones by changing the registry? Are we wrong for wanting to improve our phones? Should we all not be banned for wanting to change our phones like so, since it is voiding the licensing agreement with Microsoft? Mike should be sent to jail then! And Coz? Throw him in a Mexican prison, for he is guilty? What about Juggalo_X, Conflippers, Hibby, etc. that create custom ROM's? All that should be removed from this site then too! Heck, we should all buy non-smart phones, since the ability to "cheat" the system is much less a possibility? Wait... Why not we all use 2 can's and a shoe string to communicate with each other?

And this is on topic, Mr. Crazy, since I am discussing the "illegal posting of warez-like stuff" on this site..

At least move this to the off-topic forum.. Watch and see how many less posts are added to this...