Any way to have a Verizon TP2 without a data plan ???

[vzwdts]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

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This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

[1454]

Originally Posted by jmorton10

That will never happen.

As far as the required data plan, 99% of the buyers won't be upset with that as they would have wanted a data plan on a PPC anyway........

~John

I really hate when people complain about prices. Really, if you don't want to pay it, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I pay the 29.99 because I use internet a lot when I travel, as well as streaming radio. I have had no problem with it. Also I use it for Hava(same as sling box). They charge what the market will allow. If people weren't willing to pay it, then they wouldn't charge it. Do I think it is a little high, yes. But if I didn't like It I could always go to sprint. But I have had numerous problems with sprint, and there is a reason I left. It it worth the extra 20 or so a month I pay to not have to deal with the BS I had to with sprint. Again, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. What is it with everybody wanting something for free?

This rant wasn't meant for john as much as for nick.

[1454]

Originally Posted by vzwdts

This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

Exactly. And to further your point, each time VZW, or any company for that matter, gets sued, take a wild guess who pays that? I wish government would stay the heck out of the way and let business do what it does. Everything would be cheaper, and we wouldn't be the last people in the world to get things. FCC and every other government organization are shams.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by 1454

I really hate when people complain about prices. Really, if you don't want to pay it, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I pay the 29.99 because I use internet a lot when I travel, as well as streaming radio. I have had no problem with it. Also I use it for Hava(same as sling box). They charge what the market will allow. If people weren't willing to pay it, then they wouldn't charge it. Do I think it is a little high, yes. But if I didn't like It I could always go to sprint. But I have had numerous problems with sprint, and there is a reason I left. It it worth the extra 20 or so a month I pay to not have to deal with the BS I had to with sprint. Again, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. What is it with everybody wanting something for free?

I agree with you 100%.

I left Sprint for a reason also (& I don't miss it one bit).

I'm not thrilled with what VZ charges either, but I would MUCH rather pay VZ's rates than ever go back to Sprint.......

~John

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by vzwdts

This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

I always love how someone always says if you don't like one part of something then don't buy the whole thing.

So explain to me vzedts and everyone else who says this, if I don't do as you say, how do I get a TP2 with a phone, how do I get the TP2's camera, how do I get the TP2's GPS that I can use on a TP2 with my windows mobile ready GPS program?

How do I get a 6.1 WM device with a promise to upgrade to 6.5?

How do I get the screen the TP2 has, how do I get that screen with a pull out keyboard that I can tilt the screen on?

How I do I get all that the TP2 is with all the latest of the best components inside as well without buying the TP2?

I can go on and on like this but I think I made my point.

And btw I am not asking for anything for free, I want and will pay for what I will use.

If its anyone its actually is the carriers that are trying to get something for free by making me pay for something I'm not going to use, and there not even asking, there telling, and without giving me any other option.

In getting back to the device more over the whole POINT of this device is that it is all these devices all rolled into one.

Basically this device is the one of the most cutting edges of technology at this point as it incorporates a whole host of some of the best of these devices all rolled into one convenient portable device.

Which by doing this makes this a one and only kind of a device that cannot be had in any other way.

And btw as it is made the way it is made, it also allows me to browse the internet via a built in WiFi connection "and" use it as a phone as it was indented and was built to be used that way, as well as used in every other aspect, all "without" a data connection, it is only by Verizons mandate an all others who have now followed suit that I cannot.

And as I think I have given the impression, if a full time data connection is what you need or want to have and have no issue paying for it then more power to you but to not offer a no data plan if you don't want, especially for the reasons they are doing this, is just wrong.

I mean, they don't that for the text or any other function of the device do they?

So why does it have to be that way for data?

Again the more and more I read about this I think the very fact that they have used excuses that the phone needs it or that they did this to help users ovoid charges which are both just total lies proves even more that the reasoning for this is nothing more then they are just trying to scam more money and it just isn't right.

As far as the anti trust stuff grated I may not be a lawyer but for instance, say since my local cable company has installed WiFi everywhere, now that this is mandatory, they have forcefully stole that business from them without giving their customers a choice. That seems like it might be part of that. And as well for making me the real victim by making me pay for it twice, there must be something in that.

Then as well, what about all the local small business that have spent a bunch of money to attract customers by offering free WiFi internet access? Now they loose that business with no way to compete with that as their customers have been given no other choice.

And how about all the state and local government buildings and schools and libraries that spent so much time and money for WiFi, much of which has all been paid for essentially by us the tax payers so that they we can use devices just such as these for free for internet access, which was the whole point.

This unfairly makes all that a waist of money and now we have no choice but to pay twice for that even though we don’t really have too all because Verizon and the other carries are forcing us too.

And btw since I have been doing more research on this and have found that I am hardly alone on this.

In fact I have to do some more reading but there are many that are continuing to complain to the FCC about this and I think there is even a US senator involved.

Here is blurb about this posted on 9/22/09 by a person named Compguy65 on this page with a 112 comments on it:http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...erge/#comments

Just discovered that the current FCC investigation into wireless companies was because of the efforts and concerns of Senator Herb Kohl from Wisconsin. He is the Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights. Since his web contact form is only for Wisconsin residents, here is his email for the general public to contact him, from the U.S. Senate website: senator_kohl@kohl.senate.gov

I would think he would want to know what consumers think about this policy.

Amongst those comments you will see contacts on how to complain to the FCC about this too, as well as what others have written to them.

Also I think I saw a comment on how to write to the head of Verizon about this too.

Just to note, I apologize if some of this info is inaccurate, I’ve been searching and posting on the net all day about this an learning a lot as I have gone a long, so I’m pretty tired and getting kinda loopy at this point but I think and hope its all correct and in conforming to this boards rules but if any of it is not, I apologize.

I tell you what though, I think I may have found a new cause to live in life and personally I feel that any effort on this is not fruitless as it would seem to me that there “are” venues for this injustice and to just take this lying down is not the only choice.

We are not powerless in this.

Personally I think if enough people complain about this, it can be changed.

And with a 21 million dollar taste in Verizons mouth from the FCC already, they know this too.

And if you think this will cost us more by doing this...well with this as a perfect example, especially with every other carrier following suit so fast it has made our heads spin...what do you think it will cost us in the long run if we don't?

Thanks for the comments guys, will keep you posted.

[kern417]

wow

well all i kno is i love verizon. I go to school in a little rinky dinky town in Alabama (Tuskegee University) and I was the only one that had service in the dorms freshman year. It was funny watching everyone walk outside to make phone calls.

Plus I think most of windows mobile is tied to the internet. There are several other phones that do similar where u can pay as you go for data...I had a windows mobile device before on the AT&T (when it was still Cingular) and I got retarted data charges all the time for little things that started to add up.

Like I said before, I orginally felt the same way, but now that I have the unlimited data I don't think I could live without it.

My $0.02.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by kern417

wow

well all i kno is i love verizon. I go to school in a little rinky dinky town in Alabama (Tuskegee University) and I was the only one that had service in the dorms freshman year. It was funny watching everyone walk outside to make phone calls.

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LOL, sounds just like where I work.

VZ phones work perfectly, ATT phones don't work at all in some locations & Sprint users stand by the window & tip their phones at funny angles trying for a solid signal......


~John

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by kern417

Plus I think most of windows mobile is tied to the internet. There are several other phones that do similar where u can pay as you go for data...I had a windows mobile device before on the AT&T (when it was still Cingular) and I got retarted data charges all the time for little things that started to add up.

I appreciate your points kern417 and believe it or not I am very fond of Verizon and want to remain with them too (kinda why I'm actually so big on this) and I have no doubt that if a data plan connection is present that there could be connections made (which why they shouldn't be that way is another story) but I have read many many posts on people who have performed data connection lockouts on their WM devices to prevent those and had them like that for years and never had any hardship in using the device or ill effects to the WM system and were completely capable of using WiFi for internet access.

As well I learned another interesting thing today at least with Verizon and I’m not 100% sure this is still the case today but back when they started this about a year ago, while they are making the public get these data plans, it is not required if you buy a device like this under a government account.

So if it is not required for them to use the device, why is it required for us?

Actually I think as far as Verizon has stated, which they seem the have been very careful to do just the right way or only under a good amount of duress, that from a mechanical stand point it is not a absolute necessity that it have a data connection for the device and operation system to completely function correctly as it is made but that the whole reason for this is to not end up charging the customer for erroneous data charges such as the ones you spoke of.

But again that is just a capable of being done with a data lockout, which I still don’t understand why that isn’t just the way the device is setup by them if you don’t have a data account from the start.

Again to be able to do that but then to not to and then say oh, we have to charge a mandatory $29.00 data plan as the solution to protect our customers is just ridicules.

If you don’t have a data plan that just lock out the data connection from being made just the same as all other services that would be possible are done if they are not being paid for. It’s that simple.

And if there any periodic hard or software updates that need to be made then just let the customer do that via the usb sync connection.

[kern417]

lol i actually heard of the exact opposite. A guy discontinued his home internet service and always tethered with his TP....i guess to each his own

i wonder if someone could find a registry edit or something like that to block data...idk if that would do anything tho because i heard they can remotely determine what device your using no matter what you may tell them yourself

[MrGoodCat]

i fall in that 1% of people who don't want the data. however i am adapting to use it, since i now have to. the reason i want the phone is i love hacking things, i love customizing and making something the way i want it to be. i have never had a smart phone till the tp2, and i hated every "dumb" phone i had before that. that is the main reason i bought the tp2. i think it would be easy for verizon to block data, hell, they manage to do it to phones prior 11/08. (ok maybe not easy, but do-able). however they want to make money, and i completely understand what they went through with people complaining about data charges and what not, but they should really offer the option to block data. i'd pay 5-10 a month to not have data, haha. seriously, pay something for nothing, but its better than 30/month.

it just seems like the option should be there. i am in no way disagreeing with anyone here, just giving another example of why someone may not want the data, as i have not read an example like this yet. currently i am unemployed and feel that once a get a job, soon i hope, i will be traveling, and once that happens i know i will use/want the data.

there should be like a "hold" option on the data. where you would pay the 5-10/month (where they block data services to your phone), and then reactivate to the 30/month when needed/if needed. just a crazy thought. they could still make a little money, and make us 1% a little happier...my 2cents...(but in their eyes, if it ain't broken don't fix it) i wonder though if this would attract anymore people to smartphones?