Any way to have a Verizon TP2 without a data plan ???

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by abdeviation

You probably just mad cuz you pay way more than i do lol

Mad?? Not really.

I had Sprint for two years & absolutely hated it (the service was awful), I couldn't wait to switch back to Verizon (I actually paid an eft to dump Sprint although they eventually credited it back when I went to the BBB). I have no contract with VZ & could switch to Sprint anytime I want, but I won't make that mistake again.

Does VZ cost a little more?? Sure, although I get a corporate discount & the difference in price is something I will gladly pay for the excellent service. I'm sure you've heard the old adage "you get what you pay for". That definitely applies to the age old VZ/Sprint arguement.

~John

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by richards108

U want to know another reason u pay $30 a month for data we(verizon) have the largest natiionwide data network in the country. we put more then 6.5 bil in the network yearly. do some reaserch and check out att sprint and vzw 3g maps

Which one does it look like will have better service??

http://www.cellularmaps.com/net_compare.shtml

~John

[abdeviation]

Originally Posted by jmorton10

Mad?? Not really.
That definitely applies to the age old VZ/Sprint arguement.

~John

Well I guess it depends on where you live. Having Verizon here is like having some sort of a voicemail service because your phone never rings.

[Jocelyn84]

Originally Posted by jmorton10

Which one does it look like will have better service??

http://www.cellularmaps.com/net_compare.shtml

~John

Ehhh, that's a moot point, seeing as their cdma networks roam on and off one another. In other words, Sprint + Verizon networks = what you get for coverage regardless of which you're on.

Edit: Rofl, that link you used isn't even close to updated. Try this instead http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.jsp? and just remember all that gray stuff is Verizon, which we just roam on and off anytime we want.

[SKS06460]

Originally Posted by Jocelyn84

Ehhh, that's a moot point, seeing as their cdma networks roam on and off one another. In other words, Sprint + Verizon networks = what you get for coverage regardless of which you're on.

Edit: Rofl, that link you used isn't even close to updated. Try this instead http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.jsp? and just remember all that gray stuff is Verizon, which we just roam on and off anytime we want.

Yeah that's true. But this Sprint/Verizon argument is getting to be like Republican/Democrat, with Verizon being the Democrats.

[richards108]

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Originally Posted by Jocelyn84

Ehhh, that's a moot point, seeing as their cdma networks roam on and off one another. In other words, Sprint + Verizon networks = what you get for coverage regardless of which you're on.

Edit: Rofl, that link you used isn't even close to updated. Try this instead http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.jsp? and just remember all that gray stuff is Verizon, which we just roam on and off anytime we want.

yes sprint does roam with vzw and vice versa but neither company lets the other roam off the full network which is y vzw is still known for there better network

[NIKKG]

I am gonna honest, I do love Sprint on their Sero plan, nothing comes close. I got the Sero 500, plus pick 5, plus airrave, and they upgraded my TP to a brandnew TP2 for free last week with no hassle. You can not get that kinda great deal anywhere. My sister was with Verizon for 8 years and it was nothing but a ripoff and they will not accommodate her or hook you up in anyway possible. I switched her to Sprint and she now loves her BB Tour with all the great features Sprint provides.

[SKS06460]

Originally Posted by richards108

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yes sprint does roam with vzw and vice versa but neither company lets the other roam off the full network which is y vzw is still known for there better network

Wait, let me understand.

VZW and Sprint let you roam over each others network, and Sprint costs less for the same coverage, but neither lets you roam off off of the network, therefore VZW is better.

Yeah, and government supplied healthcare is going to cost less than private insurance. Right. Sure. I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[vzwdts]

Originally Posted by SKS06460

Wait, let me understand.

VZW and Sprint let you roam over each others network, and Sprint costs less for the same coverage, but neither lets you roam off off of the network, therefore VZW is better.

Yeah, and government supplied healthcare is going to cost less than private insurance. Right. Sure. I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

There is a very large misunderstanding of how roaming agreements work on this forum. Roaming agreements don't apply everywhere. In other words, if you have Sprint, and you run into an area that doesn't have Sprint coverage but has a Verizon presence, it doesn't mean you're going to pick up service every time. Same for the other way around. Just because VZW or Sprint is in a particular area and they have a reciprocal roaming agreement doesn't mean you're going to have signal.

Moreover, if you want to talk overall footprint, Verizon's EvDO network is much more vast than Sprint's is, and when it comes to this, roaming agreements don't even apply as a Sprint subscriber can't roam on VZW's Ev. It comes down to getting what you pay for and what your needs are. Live in a area that has great Sprint coverage? No reason to switch.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by richards108

U want to know another reason u pay $30 a month for data we(verizon) have the largest natiionwide data network in the country. we put more then 6.5 bil in the network yearly. do some reaserch and check out att sprint and vzw 3g maps and let me know what u find . . . and whats the point of a pda wout a data plan its like buying a v6 mustang u want to look cool but in the end we al realise ur to cheap to own something worth while

Quite frankly I think this reply speaks more to the real reason for this then anything else.

As I keep researching this more and more it is become completely evident that not only Verizon but all the carriers have spent a great deal of money to build these high speed cellular data networks as they thought that once everyone saw how they worked everyone jump right on and get hooked on them and then could care less about how much the service cost just in the same way they have for cell phones.

The problem is that this did not happen to their expectations as so many people found they were able to use a PDA/Smartphone especially with WiFi for the internet just fine without their data connections as while it may be true for some, not everyone is buying these because they need to be joined at the hip every where every second of the day with the internet and e-mails.

So as a result even though this was a miss calculation on the carries fault they last thing they were going to do is pay for their own mistakes and now have stuck us with having to fork over the money to pay for it.

Let me ask you this, if I bought a new modem for my cable internet connection that had a phone connection for it too, does that mean I shouldn’t be able to use it for a internet connection unless I sign up for the internet phone service too just because they spent a ton of many to create one?

Or now that AT&T has finally gotten their internet service to my area and spent a ton of money doing that, should I have use that or loose my land line phone with them?

The answer to this is no !!!

So if I don’t have to do that with those things why should I have to do it with a PDA that’s be combined with a phone ??????

Also one of the things I have read was that Verizon has said was that the reason they have done this was that people were getting PDA/smart phones with no data plans but somehow and typically without their knowledge were incurring some type of data connection to which they would be charge an that they were getting a great deal of flack from customers about this so they decided to make a data plan with those mandatory.

Well can you even believe anything more crap then that, so whose fault is it if you don’t’ build your systems so that if someone who has an option for their service that isn’t supposed to be used because they haven't singed up for it, can’t actually used it?

I mean and in giving an example of the cable modem again, if I got one that has a phone connection and my cable provider can provide me with the phone service but I don’t’ subscribe to it but decide to plug a phone into it anyway, I can’t make a call can I?

As well if I decided to only have the phone and I plugged in my TV or computer into it as well those won’t work either right?

So what just because Verizon, who supposedly as richards108 states spends 6.5 billion dollars on their network yearly, can’t with all that money do a thing as simple as keep a user without an option in there subscription from using something they don’t subscribe to, especially by accident, all means "I" have to spend $360.00 a year for something I don’t need because of that?

Bottom line is this is nothing but a rip off and to be honest I can’t believe this is even legal.

I mean to force the public and especially business to endure the hardship of buying something they don’t need just to get something they do so they can stay competitive because of the screw ups of the carriers is just ing in my book.

I mean isn’t this the very thing anti-trust laws and the FCC were made to prevent?

As I understand it this all came about about a year ago, so what did they say about this?

I mean the FCC sued Verzion for something like 21 million to stop their brutal cancellation policy because of the hardships that caused so it’s not like don’t ever get involved.

So what is their take on this?

Any even so am I the only one who gets that’s its things like this that have contributed so much to the problems we are having right now?

Come on people I can’t believe that anyone would defend this and that I’m the only one who sees this for what it is and isn’t completely ed by this.