Who plans to go HD2?

[p-slim]

You said my opinion doesn't count in these forums because everyone is techie. Everyone that comes in here agrees winmo 6.5 is outdated and winmo 7 will be different, that's the facts. Why are you so special? Everyone that takes your side ends up saying winmo will be different. Open your eyes man. You think android is worried about winmo 6.5, wrong.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

You said my opinion doesn't count in these forums because everyone is techie. Everyone that comes in here agrees winmo 6.5 is outdated and winmo 7 will be different, that's the facts. Why are you so special? Everyone that takes your side ends up saying winmo will be different. Open your eyes man. You think android is worried about winmo 6.5, wrong.

What makes you think you speak for everyone? That is my beef with you man, you keep trying to act like EVERYONE agrees with you. And you're flat out wrong (as the numbers prove).

As for everyone agreeing that winmo 6.5 is out dated, lol, yeah right man. Maybe 2 or 3 people agreed with you in this thread. Everyone else said they were happy with their 6.5 device.

Yes, we all know winmo 7 is going to bring changes. But if they bring the drastic changes you are talking about nobody is going to like it. See the comments on every single site talking about the leaked changes. I still don't think I have found one single person happy it.

As I have said probably 100 times now- just because winmo is working on the next version doesn't mean the current version is garbage. Android and iphone are both working on their next versions too, so stop with the double standard already.

[p-slim]

You do realize a company who uses exchange for its employees will not go get android abrand new OS. Will your CEO authorized someone to go get androids when they've only been on the market for a year or 2. That report is incorporating all that. Like I said walk into any of the carriers in the mall and ask a verizon Rep how many tp2s and imagios they sell compared to the droids. Walk into sprint and ask if they sell more heroes or tp2s.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

You do realize a company who uses exchange for its employees will not go get android abrand new OS. Will your CEO authorized someone to go get androids when they've only been on the market for a year 2. That report is incorporating all that. Like I said walk into any of the carriers in the mall and ask a verizon Rep how many tp2s and imagios they sell compared to the droids. Walk into sprint and ask if they sell more heroes or tp2s.

Again, your OPINION is that there are more Androids selling than Winmo devices. But the FACT is there are over 7 times more winmo devices out there (in the USA) than android, and in the most recent period 5 times more winmo than android devices were sold (in the USA). And this most recent period happens to coincide with the launch of winmo 6.5, and several devices launching. Just the facts.

And, again, this is without any commercials, and most stores not even stocking the devices. Imagine if they actually had 20 commercials per day, stores fully stocked with them, and the carriers sending out mailers trying to get people to buy them for only $25 (like AT&T does with the iphone).

[jethro_static]

I am curious about this commercials. So commercials bring Millions and Millions of sales for the iPhone and HTC and MS cannot figure it out and somebody here did? Can somebody explain this.

So if HTC and MS show 20 Ads per day, It will bring them fortune. But they do not want that?

Or maybe they do know that their sales will sky rocket when they put 20 ads per day and then be bankrupt after 80% returned?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

I am curious about this commercials. So commercials bring Millions and Millions of sales for the iPhone and HTC and MS cannot figure it out and somebody here did? Can somebody explain this.

So if HTC and MS show 20 Ads per day, It will bring them fortune. But they do not want that?

Or maybe they do know that their sales will sky rocket when they put 20 ads per day and then be bankrupt after 80% returned?

Uh, HTC DID start to advertise a bunch (recently). They only advertise the androids though for some reason.

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Uh, HTC DID start to advertise a bunch (recently). They only advertise the androids though for some reason.

The way I see it is like this. Apple advertise left and right coz they are sure that the when casual people buy it, They will keep it. They are sure that people that will switch to ATT will not regret it. They are sure that the iPhone will work properly out of the box as advertised.

Now, Sprint's Diamond for example. I gave 1 to my GF. OMG, Sprints stock ROM is terrible. It is close to unusable. But there's no problem with us bcoz I flashed it with Mighty's ROM and that damn thing worked like it should. So imagine the casual users having the Diamond. Majority of them prolly dont even know anything about the existence flashing. So what would they do? They will return it. That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that that 1 person will tell 10 people. Then those 10 people will each tell another 10 and so on. Ahhhh bad for the business. So prolly, WM phone is not advertised as much since most of WM phones sales relies on powerusers like us.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

The way I see it is like this. Apple advertise left and right coz they are sure that the when casual people buy it, They will keep it. They are sure that people that will switch to ATT will not regret it. They are sure that the iPhone will work properly out of the box as advertised.

Now, Sprint's Diamond for example. I gave 1 to my GF. OMG, Sprints stock ROM is terrible. It is close to unusable. But there's no problem with us bcoz I flashed it with Mighty's ROM and that damn thing worked like it should. So imagine the casual users having the Diamond. Majority of them prolly dont even know anything about the existence flashing. So what would they do? They will return it. That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that that 1 person will tell 10 people. Then those 10 people will each tell another 10 and so on. Ahhhh bad for the business. So prolly, WM phone is not advertised as much since most of WM phones sales relies on powerusers like us.

Well there are a few problems with that theory...

#1: If Sprint's stock ROM is so bad, then Sprint and HTC need to do a better job making the stock ROM. If Mighty and everyone here can make good ROMs, there is absolutely no reason Sprint and HTC shouldn't be able to make way better ROMs than anyone here. For the record, the stock ROM on my unlocked European Touch Pro 2 (no carrier branding, only HTC) was as good as any cooked WinMo 6.1 ROM.

#2: Verizon's stock ROM actually got really good reviews. So did AT&T's (which was WM 6.5 out of the box). I didn't see any commercials for either of them.

#3: We've all seen the HTC "You" commercials. HTC finally got the hint and started advertising. The problem is, those commercials are all for Android devices.

#4: Even aside from HTC advertising, I see about 10 T-Mobile commercials every day for the MyTouch3G. And I see a Sprint commercial where they talk about their best smartphones. They mention the Palm Pixi, Samsung Moment, and some Blackberry. So they aren't even trying.

#5: To this day, most Sprint stores don't even have a Touch Pro 2 in stock, and half the agents there don't even know anything about it. They are obviously just trying to get their commission so they will try to sell you whatever they have right there. If they actually had these phones in stock, agents would take the time to learn about them. And then they could show the customer how to use it right there in the store.

I think the real problem is- Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Any other greedy ass carrier- does not want to carry Windows Mobile devices. They do NOT like the idea of consumers installing whatever app they want without the carrier getting a commission off the app sale. They do NOT like the iea of the consumer being able to WiFi tether without paying extra. They do NOT like the idea of the consumer having access to data intense apps like Slingbox without paying extra. WInmo allows all of this. The carriers always strip most of this stuff out (tethering) but we just put it right back. They can't just flat out drop WinMo because some of their largest business customers ONLY use WinMo. So they do their best to hide it form the average joe. THAT's why we don't see commercials for it, and THAT's why the rumors are Winmo 7 will be stripped down and locked down. That will get the carriers back on board with it, and gain some marketshare among consumers when they finally start advertising it. Everyone who knows anything about it will probably hae it, but it will get tons of rave reviews and sell a ton of units, with plenty of advertising.

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by p-slim

yeah that falls into the category of the things that aren't actually easier but look more vibrant, and yes the way you can pull up the contact card from that screen and the options it gives you is much better. Maybe i should sms you a youtube link and see what your phone does with it, and then we'll see what the nexus or any droid does when it receive that same link.

umm, from my contact card, I can:
call
email
text
get directions to their house
b-day info pops up.

what else should i be able to do from a contact?

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Well there are a few problems with that theory...

#1: If Sprint's stock ROM is so bad, then Sprint and HTC need to do a better job making the stock ROM. If Mighty and everyone here can make good ROMs, there is absolutely no reason Sprint and HTC shouldn't be able to make way better ROMs than anyone here. For the record, the stock ROM on my unlocked European Touch Pro 2 (no carrier branding, only HTC) was as good as any cooked WinMo 6.1 ROM.

#2: Verizon's stock ROM actually got really good reviews. So did AT&T's (which was WM 6.5 out of the box). I didn't see any commercials for either of them.

#3: We've all seen the HTC "You" commercials. HTC finally got the hint and started advertising. The problem is, those commercials are all for Android devices.

#4: Even aside from HTC advertising, I see about 10 T-Mobile commercials every day for the MyTouch3G. And I see a Sprint commercial where they talk about their best smartphones. They mention the Palm Pixi, Samsung Moment, and some Blackberry. So they aren't even trying.

#5: To this day, most Sprint stores don't even have a Touch Pro 2 in stock, and half the agents there don't even know anything about it. They are obviously just trying to get their commission so they will try to sell you whatever they have right there. If they actually had these phones in stock, agents would take the time to learn about them. And then they could show the customer how to use it right there in the store.

I think the real problem is- Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Any other greedy ass carrier- does not want to carry Windows Mobile devices. They do NOT like the idea of consumers installing whatever app they want without the carrier getting a commission off the app sale. They do NOT like the iea of the consumer being able to WiFi tether without paying extra. They do NOT like the idea of the consumer having access to data intense apps like Slingbox without paying extra. WInmo allows all of this. The carriers always strip most of this stuff out (tethering) but we just put it right back. They can't just flat out drop WinMo because some of their largest business customers ONLY use WinMo. So they do their best to hide it form the average joe. THAT's why we don't see commercials for it, and THAT's why the rumors are Winmo 7 will be stripped down and locked down. That will get the carriers back on board with it, and gain some marketshare among consumers when they finally start advertising it. Everyone who knows anything about it will probably hae it, but it will get tons of rave reviews and sell a ton of units, with plenty of advertising.

i'm still using sprint's rom in winmo 6.1, only using gfl's cleanup cab as a starter. no problems with freezes or major lags.
i can see your point about carriers and winmo. remember when they used to flag you for using too much data through tethering?