Who plans to go HD2?

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Sony sells more overseas because they don't market here at all. You didn't even know they made a version for the USA, lol. You're way more into this stuff than the average person, and you didn't even know the product existed. That right there should tell you why they don't sell many units here.

Now, HTC doesn't even offer a product here. Not only do they NOT market (just like Sony) but they won't even sell you one if you somehow find out about it.

So I think that has FAR more to do with the public not buying any than any ridiculous notion that they just aren't interested. Need I remind you that the Verizon Touch Pro 2 was sold out for over a month when it was first released and got excellent reviews (Consumer Reports said it was the best device- even better than an iPhone, for business use). And this was without ever seeing a single commercial for the thing.

Anyway, if you stop and look at this objectively it's pretty easy to see. You are somewhat of an expert (flashing ROMs, already know about the HD2 and the better specs the US version will have, and all sorts of other things the average joe wouldn't have a clue about). And yet you didn't even know you could buy an Sony Ericsson Xperia X1a right now (made specifically for Americans) on Sony's website. That right there should tell you why nobody is buying Windows Mobile devices here.

I can guarantee you- if nobody knew an iPhone existed, nobody would be buying those either.

And, again- HTC flat out won't even sell you an HD2 that works in North America even if you somehow find out it exists.

i knew you could buy the sony's, i didn't think they worked with our 3g, that was the only issue. i gurantee you if sony thought they would sell as many units as the iphone did, you would see more commercials. honestly you posted the links for the x1 and x2, i personally was talking about the x10, that the dominant one.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

i knew you could buy the sony's, i didn't think they worked with our 3g, that was the only issue. i gurantee you if sony thought they would sell as many units as the iphone did, you would see more commercials. honestly you posted the links for the x1 and x2, i personally was talking about the x10, that the dominant one.

It's not possible that you knew you could buy it but didn't know it worked on the USA 3G. That version I linked to was made specifically for the USA 3G. There is another version made for Europe that does not work on USA 3G.

So if you knew that particular device existed, then you knew it worked on USA 3G.

The X10 has not even been released yet. It is not the dominant one when it hasn't even been released yet, lol. But rest assured, there will be an American version of it too. And you probably won't ever see a commercial for it either.

And it runs Android, not Windows Mobile. So don't even give me the "people just aren't interested in Windows Mobile" excuse for why we don't see any commercials for it.

See this link:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/prod...10?lc=en&cc=us
It says:
"Networks
UMTS HSPA 800/850/1900 only available for phones sold in Americas (except Brazil) and Australia. UMTS HSPA 900/1700 not available for phones sold in Americas. UMTS HSPA 1900/2100 available worldwide."

As you can see, there is a version that has AT&T's 3G, and another version that has Europe's 3G. This thing runs Android- and I haven't seen a single commercial for it.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

It's not possible that you knew you could buy it but didn't know it worked on the USA 3G. That version I linked to was made specifically for the USA 3G. There is another version made for Europe that does not work on USA 3G.

So if you knew that particular device existed, then you knew it worked on USA 3G.

The X10 has not even been released yet. It is not the dominant one when it hasn't even been released yet, lol. But rest assured, there will be an American version of it too. And you probably won't ever see a commercial for it either.

And it runs Android, not Windows Mobile. So don't even give me the "people just aren't interested in Windows Mobile" excuse for why we don't see any commercials for it.

i said you're right, i knew about the phone thats why i brought it up, i didn't know they made a us version, nor do i really care. but it sounds like you're saying they're throwing money away. So they know they have a big market (according to you) in the US but just don't make, advertise, or sell thr phone, even though theyve already created the phone. i'm going to keep it real with you whether you want to believe it or not, if winmo started advertising their phones in the US it would be a complete waste of money. yes they would sell a couple more, but the majority of people in the US want phones that work right out of the box and now social networking is a big thing here. winmo is not on this train yet. you can think if they advertise more then winmo will be better but it won't. honestly if windows sold more units at this time they would have more haters. windows isn't user friendly, and people aren't down for customization. having these phones in more peoples hands would be a disaster for winmo, thats my opionion and i'm sticking by it.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

i said you're right, i knew about the phone thats why i brought it up, i didn't know they made a us version, nor do i really care. but it sounds like you're saying they're throwing money away. So they know they have a big market (according to you) in the US but just don't make, advertise, or sell thr phone, even though theyve already created the phone. i'm going to keep it real with you whether you want to believe it or not, if winmo started advertising their phones in the US it would be a complete waste of money. yes they would sell a couple more, but the majority of people in the US want phones that work right out of the box and now social networking is a big thing here. winmo is not on this train yet. you can think if they advertise more then winmo will be better but it won't. honestly if windows sold more units at this time they would have more haters. windows isn't user friendly, and people aren't down for customization. having these phones in more peoples hands would be a disaster for winmo, thats my opionion and i'm sticking by it.

Okay, so now that you know they have a US version, and you can buy it right now form their website... Do YOU think they are throwing money by not actually trying to sell it? I mean, you didn't even know it existed, that's how poor the marketing has been...

Uh, Windows Mobile phones DO work out of the box. Agian, the Verizon Touch Pro 2 was sold out for over a month because they couldn't keep them in stock. Consumer Reports rated it as the best business device on the market. And this is stock, right out of the box.

As for social networking- there's a facebook app, a myspace app, and several twitter apps. There is also some integration with the OS (at least with Titanium, TouchFlo, the Xperia panel interface, SPB Mobile Shell, and any other interface out there).

There is no way you can claim Windows Mobile wouldn't sell if they advertised when the Verizon Touch Pro 2 stayed sold out for over a month with NO marketing whatsoever, and no stores even having display models to show customers. If they advertised it the way they do the Droid, then it would be the hottest selling device in America right now.

And, again- the X10 runs Android. It's not a Windows Mobile device. Have you seen any marketing whatsoever for it? Of course not. So that pretty much blows your whole "it's because nobody wants Windows Mobile" theory right out of the water.

However, at least Sony will actually sell it to an American if they somehow find out it exists.

HTC, on the other hand, will NOT sell an American an unlocked Australian HD2 once the American finds out it will work on 3G over here. The American is left to deal with high priced middle men. So while Sony doesn't market at all, at least they will actually sell you a device. HTC doesn't market it at all, and won't sell you one either.

HTC deals with carriers in America. They don't care about the public at all. They market what the carriers tell them to, and they won't sell anything directly to the public.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Okay, so now that you know they have a US version, and you can buy it right now form their website... Do YOU think they are throwing money by not actually trying to sell it? I mean, you didn't even know it existed, that's how poor the marketing has been...

Uh, Windows Mobile phones DO work out of the box. Agian, the Verizon Touch Pro 2 was sold out for over a month because they couldn't keep them in stock. Consumer Reports rated it as the best business device on the market. And this is stock, right out of the box.

As for social networking- there's a facebook app, a myspace app, and several twitter apps. There is also some integration with the OS (at least with Titanium, TouchFlo, the Xperia panel interface, SPB Mobile Shell, and any other interface out there).

There is no way you can claim Windows Mobile wouldn't sell if they advertised when the Verizon Touch Pro 2 stayed sold out for over a month with NO marketing whatsoever, and no stores even having display models to show customers. If they advertised it the way they do the Droid, then it would be the hottest selling device in America right now.

And, again- the X10 runs Android. It's not a Windows Mobile device. Have you seen any marketing whatsoever for it? Of course not. So that pretty much blows your whole "it's because nobody wants Windows Mobile" theory right out of the water.

However, at least Sony will actually sell it to an American if they somehow find out it exists.

HTC, on the other hand, will NOT sell an American an unlocked Australian HD2 once the American finds out it will work on 3G over here. The American is left to deal with high priced middle men. So while Sony doesn't market at all, at least they will actually sell you a device. HTC doesn't market it at all, and won't sell you one either.

HTC deals with carriers in America. They don't care about the public at all. They market what the carriers tell them to, and they won't sell anything directly to the public.

i think when winmo 7 drops we will start getting all the apps that the iphone and android get, what do you think? at first i wasn't really on apps but i can't lie i'm upset that there is an nba gametime app for apple and winmo, thats my favorite sport and it highly angers me.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

i think when winmo 7 drops we will start getting all the apps that the iphone and android get, what do you think? at first i wasn't really on apps but i can't lie i'm upset that there is an nba gametime app for apple and winmo, thats my favorite sport and it highly angers me.

haha, I'm with you man, the NBA is my sport too.

I think the reason there is little development in the app world is because the SDK for Windows Mobile 7 has not been released yet. Nobody wants to make an app that will be obsolete in a few months. Everyone and their mama knows Windows Mobile 7 is coming, but nobody knows which apps will work on it and what it will take to make an app work on it.

So we're getting a few apps here and there. But just about everyone is waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 SDK before they start making commercial apps.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

haha, I'm with you man, the NBA is my sport too.

I think the reason there is little development in the app world is because the SDK for Windows Mobile 7 has not been released yet. Nobody wants to make an app that will be obsolete in a few months. Everyone and their mama knows Windows Mobile 7 is coming, but nobody knows which apps will work on it and what it will take to make an app work on it.

So we're getting a few apps here and there. But just about everyone is waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 SDK before they start making commercial apps.

I pulled the trigger Salty. I bought the nexus one till the hd2 comes out. When the hd2 comes out i'll sell this android phone. I still have my 29.99 sero plan. When windows 7 drops and sprint confirms that the sero plan will not work with windows 7 phones then i will end up dropping them altogether, but as of right now that sero plan is golden.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

I pulled the trigger Salty. I bought the nexus one till the hd2 comes out. When the hd2 comes out i'll sell this android phone. I still have my 29.99 sero plan. When windows 7 drops and sprint confirms that the sero plan will not work with windows 7 phones then i will end up dropping them altogether, but as of right now that sero plan is golden.

Let me know how that Nexus One is. I've been reading some mixed reviews online, but mostly by people who probably don't know what they're talking about anyway.

Also- I saw somewhere that Google had their own ETF for people buying the Nexus One, so you want to make sure you're not caught up in any BS with them.

Have you seen the pictures of that Nexus two that Motorola is supposedly making? Looks awesome (has a keyboard).

Oh yeah, let me know how fast that T-Mobile data is too. HSPA+, freedom of a SIM card... Man I'm jealous!

If you get sick of not having a keyboard, you can put your T-Mobile SIM in your Touch Pro 2 (have to unlock it first) and use EDGE data..

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Let me know how that Nexus One is. I've been reading some mixed reviews online, but mostly by people who probably don't know what they're talking about anyway.

Also- I saw somewhere that Google had their own ETF for people buying the Nexus One, so you want to make sure you're not caught up in any BS with them.

Have you seen the pictures of that Nexus two that Motorola is supposedly making? Looks awesome (has a keyboard).

Oh yeah, let me know how fast that T-Mobile data is too. HSPA+, freedom of a SIM card... Man I'm jealous!

If you get sick of not having a keyboard, you can put your T-Mobile SIM in your Touch Pro 2 (have to unlock it first) and use EDGE data..

my brother already has one and i haven't seen any problems with it yet. Luckily hes not having that problem that certain people are having with 3g going up and down. data speeds are basically the same as sprints. I'de be lying if i said that sprint was faster. Honestly i don't care for the nexus, i'm going to buy the hd2 the second it drops. there is no eft, i bought the phone full price $529 and they were able to add it to the 59.99 500 minute, unlimited data and text plan, once again the best part is no contract. I just sold my tp2 on ebay for 295, so i'm good. I kept my 29.99 sero plan which i will put my tp1 on but honestly i probably won't even use that phone line.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by awenthol

I bought my TP2 BRAND NEW IN-BOX for $350...if you manage even close to $300, you are one lucky son of a gun

Originally Posted by p-slim

my tp2 will be brand new when its time to sell I will get it warranty exchanged then sell it. Remember I use to work for sprint, I got this My tp1 that just got replaced for a tp2 sold for 320, trust me i'm not worried.

Originally Posted by awenthol

10 4! That's what I get for not knowing the whole story

I got pretty close. I just got it exchanged on Saturday. If it wouldve went to bid I probably would've gotten more. The guy went with buy it now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MESOX:IT