Who plans to go HD2?

[Noir]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

So then you're saying there are more business customers using smartphones in Europe or Asia than in the USA? I don't think I can agree with that. I just think HTC is an Asian company that takes care of the people close to home first.

Someday some American company will start making smartphones and Americans will get them first. See Apple for an example of this. You could also mention Google here. And probably someday, Microsoft will make their own phone too.

Yes there is a higher market for business customers overseas as well as a better GSM area than America. HTC is a business, and for most asian customers, the phones (unlocked and not on contract) are out of a lot of people's leagues. Europe and Asia are markets that do sell htc, and sell loyally to HTC and its marketed heavily here. HTC does sell a lot overseas. Shoot if I was a phone company, I'd go to Europe and Asia first as well, its just business not some take care of momma country first

[alex jb]

Ha! My sisters boyfriend just went from Orange to T-Mob in UK for a HD2, literaly this weekend then we hear that the US version is going to come with twice the memory and a 16gig card!
I'll have to let him know... he was rubbing it in my face that he could get the HD2 and I was stuck with my TP2.
I may go to the HD2 just to get one up on him
Oh, that's mean loosing coverage and adding 50% to my monthly bill... er, maybe not.

[alex jb]

It does suck that he can get a new 2yr plan for $64/month which includes 1000mins (plus all incoming is free no mins used) unlimited text and 3Gb/month fair use data.

HD2 comes FREE with that plan.
US carrier costs suck.

[Mr.KLeen]

Originally Posted by alex jb

It does suck that he can get a new 2yr plan for $64/month which includes 1000mins (plus all incoming is free no mins used) unlimited text and 3Gb/month fair use data.

HD2 comes FREE with that plan.
US carrier costs suck.

yeah i try not to think abou that. just think that tmobile has one of the cheapest plans in the u.s. while still getting decent coverage, well where i live at its all good

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by Noir

Yes there is a higher market for business customers overseas as well as a better GSM area than America. HTC is a business, and for most asian customers, the phones (unlocked and not on contract) are out of a lot of people's leagues. Europe and Asia are markets that do sell htc, and sell loyally to HTC and its marketed heavily here. HTC does sell a lot overseas. Shoot if I was a phone company, I'd go to Europe and Asia first as well, its just business not some take care of momma country first

Well, to put it bluntly- you're crazy. Please show me how you came to the conclusion that there are more business customers in Asia (or even Europe) than in North America (and specifically, the USA). You're talking about the world's only super power here...

By the way, Apple had no trouble selling their smartphones to the USA first.

Europe may have better GSM coverage than the USA, but what does that have to do with anything? Apple had no problem selling iPhones even though they released it in the USA first (and it was GSM too, I might add). And HTC makes CDMA phones too- they just don't do it until after they have already made GSM versions.

Look at it like this- people were buying the Australian version of the HD2 because it works on AT&T's 3G. Yet HTC has not made any effort whatsoever to advertise it or sell it in the USA. And the same goes for the Touch Pro 2- the Australian version worked on AT&T's 3G long before AT&T had even announced they would carry it. And yet HTC made no effort whatsoever to sell it to Americans.

You could make a case that the carriers are threatening HTC to ignore Americans like that, but it is still HTC caving and actually ignoring the Americans.
I should also add that Blackberry devices usually release to Americans first, and they have no trouble selling either (primarily to business customers).

I'm not saying HTC should ignore the rest of the world and cater to Americans or anything like that. But at the same time, I am pretty sick of them flat out ignoring us. It's like HTC refuses to do any kind of busness whatsoever with the American public. The only way they will sell anything at all to us is through a carrier. And the carrirs here are always the last ones to get HTC devices.

Usually, by the time we get an HTC device here, its lifecycle is at least half over. It looks like HTC actually upgraded the specs (for once) on the device that was already halfway through its life cycle. And the Europeans are flipping out about it. And yet us Americans have been taking the shaft from HTC on every single device they have ever released. We're accustomed to just be happy when we get a device at all. No matter that it is already about to be replaced by a newer and better device- just be happy we got it at all as the last 3 devices didn't even make it over here...

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Well, to put it bluntly- you're crazy. Please show me how you came to the conclusion that there are more business customers in Asia (or even Europe) than in North America (and specifically, the USA). You're talking about the world's only super power here...

By the way, Apple had no trouble selling their smartphones to the USA first.

Europe may have better GSM coverage than the USA, but what does that have to do with anything? Apple had no problem selling iPhones even though they released it in the USA first (and it was GSM too, I might add). And HTC makes CDMA phones too- they just don't do it until after they have already made GSM versions.

Look at it like this- people were buying the Australian version of the HD2 because it works on AT&T's 3G. Yet HTC has not made any effort whatsoever to advertise it or sell it in the USA. And the same goes for the Touch Pro 2- the Australian version worked on AT&T's 3G long before AT&T had even announced they would carry it. And yet HTC made no effort whatsoever to sell it to Americans.

You could make a case that the carriers are threatening HTC to ignore Americans like that, but it is still HTC caving and actually ignoring the Americans.
I should also add that Blackberry devices usually release to Americans first, and they have no trouble selling either (primarily to business customers).

I'm not saying HTC should ignore the rest of the world and cater to Americans or anything like that. But at the same time, I am pretty sick of them flat out ignoring us. It's like HTC refuses to do any kind of busness whatsoever with the American public. The only way they will sell anything at all to us is through a carrier. And the carrirs here are always the last ones to get HTC devices.

Usually, by the time we get an HTC device here, its lifecycle is at least half over. It looks like HTC actually upgraded the specs (for once) on the device that was already halfway through its life cycle. And the Europeans are flipping out about it. And yet us Americans have been taking the shaft from HTC on every single device they have ever released. We're accustomed to just be happy when we get a device at all. No matter that it is already about to be replaced by a newer and better device- just be happy we got it at all as the last 3 devices didn't even make it over here...

Saltydawg i'm going to have to disagree with you. I'm not going to give any reasons because i don't know, but to be honest winmo has a waaay bigger spectrum in the uk. To be honest if it wasn't for the uk, winmo would be completely dead. thats why all the winmo phones go over seas first, not just htc. sony who is another big winmo manufactuer with their x series haven't even made a phone for the US yet in terms of winmo. No US manufactuer has made winmo phones because winmo is dead in the US, i'm sorry but its the truth. this is why we get whats left over. In the uk they have boatloads of winmo phones to choose from, if they manufactured those phones for the US those companies would only start loosing $, because they wouldn't sell enough handsets.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Saltydawg i'm going to have to disagree with you. I'm not going to give any reasons because i don't know, but to be honest winmo has a waaay bigger spectrum in the uk. To be honest if it wasn't for the uk, winmo would be completely dead. thats why all the winmo phones go over seas first, not just htc. sony who is another big winmo manufactuer with their x series haven't even made a phone for the US yet in terms of winmo. No US manufactuer has made winmo phones because winmo is dead in the US, i'm sorry but its the truth. this is why we get whats left over. In the uk they have boatloads of winmo phones to choose from, if they manufactured those phones for the US those companies would only start loosing $, because they wouldn't sell enough handsets.

Of course the UK sells more Windows Mobile phones that the USA. Why? Because companies (HTC) actually try to sell them there. Like I said- people here are actually importing the Australian version of the HD2 because it works on AT&T's 3G. Yet I have not seen one single commercial for it, and HTC's website doesn't even mention anything about it working here.

There is no marketing whatsoever here for Windows Mobile, and no attempt to sell any.

By the way- you're wrong about Sony. They actually made Xperia's specifically for the USA and you can buy them right on the company website. They put an "a" in the model number (X1a, X2a) that means it is for America. See here:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...7&N=4294953717

Now they don't advertise them at all, but at least they sell them. HTC on the other hand, doesn't even pretend to care about the American public. They sell to carriers, and that is it. If the carrier doesn't pick it up we're just out of sight, out of mind.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Of course the UK sells more Windows Mobile phones that the USA. Why? Because companies (HTC) actually try to sell them there. Like I said- people here are actually importing the Australian version of the HD2 because it works on AT&T's 3G. Yet I have not seen one single commercial for it, and HTC's website doesn't even mention anything about it working here.

There is no marketing whatsoever here for Windows Mobile, and no attempt to sell any.

By the way- you're wrong about Sony. They actually made Xperia's specifically for the USA and you can buy them right on the company website. They put an "a" in the model number (X1a, X2a) that means it is for America. See here:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...7&N=4294953717

Now they don't advertise them at all, but at least they sell them. HTC on the other hand, doesn't even pretend to care about the American public. They sell to carriers, and that is it. If the carrier doesn't pick it up we're just out of sight, out of mind.

they don't sell more because htc tries to sell more, they sell more because the people want it more. if the people wanted those phones in the US then they would create them. marketing only goes so far, google is able to market android because they will sell enough units to make the money back, if they market those phones in the us trust me, they will only be throwing $ away. sony is the perfect example. you said its for the us, but sony sold the majority of its handsets overseas, and continues to sell them overseas. in the us, apple and android run this market, with or without advertising.

[alex jb]

If I could get a plan like the UK plans, I'd be getting a HD2 if it were the lower UK spec or the new proposed US spec.

It's the coverage second, but primarily the purchase price / monthly, that is keeping me out of the HD2.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

they don't sell more because htc tries to sell more, they sell more because the people want it more. if the people wanted those phones in the US then they would create them. marketing only goes so far, google is able to market android because they will sell enough units to make the money back, if they market those phones in the us trust me, they will only be throwing $ away. sony is the perfect example. you said its for the us, but sony sold the majority of its handsets overseas, and continues to sell them overseas. in the us, apple and android run this market, with or without advertising.

Sony sells more overseas because they don't market here at all. You didn't even know they made a version for the USA, lol. You're way more into this stuff than the average person, and you didn't even know the product existed. That right there should tell you why they don't sell many units here.

Now, HTC doesn't even offer a product here. Not only do they NOT market (just like Sony) but they won't even sell you one if you somehow find out about it.

So I think that has FAR more to do with the public not buying any than any ridiculous notion that they just aren't interested. Need I remind you that the Verizon Touch Pro 2 was sold out for over a month when it was first released and got excellent reviews (Consumer Reports said it was the best device- even better than an iPhone, for business use). And this was without ever seeing a single commercial for the thing.

Anyway, if you stop and look at this objectively it's pretty easy to see. You are somewhat of an expert (flashing ROMs, already know about the HD2 and the better specs the US version will have, and all sorts of other things the average joe wouldn't have a clue about). And yet you didn't even know you could buy an Sony Ericsson Xperia X1a right now (made specifically for Americans) on Sony's website. That right there should tell you why nobody is buying Windows Mobile devices here.

I can guarantee you- if nobody knew an iPhone existed, nobody would be buying those either.

And, again- HTC flat out won't even sell you an HD2 that works in North America even if you somehow find out it exists.