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pflatlyne · #41 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vacs

Yeah, before I got the Motorola razr for me & my wife I researched the phones features. Based on what I found I signed up for 2 years & bought 2 of them. By the time I discovered that Verizon purposely disabled many features on the phone the trial period was over. And to my shame I spent $30.00 for their software which was nothing but a usb driver! Its almost like buying a car only to find out that the "left turn" feature is disabled (but of course you can buy that feature for $10 bucks a month).

Because of this it wouldn't surprise me at all if Verizon disabled the GPS so they could sell the VZ Navigator service. I guess I'll wait to see what happens. If I can get GPS on a Sprint 6800 then goodbye Verizon.

PS: I wonder about the legality of all this disabling of functions on these phones. Once purchased these things are totally the customers property. If a phone company takes any measures to interfere with the owners operation of their property, where this operation has no effect on the phone companies network, then this cannot be legal. (See some of the postings concerning GPS on the 6700.)

Why would it not be legal. Many companies do this. Video card companies sell cards with features locked out. If intel needs more of the slower core duos,but actually gets lucky and makes lots of fast ones,they just set the speeds down and sell them. If they were to disable a feature they sold it to you with for no good reason perhaps we could complain,but we were not promised phones with gps. (some people debate this,but thats another story,for another thread)

Vacs · #42 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 09:02 PM

I guess it would need to be actions taken AFTER the sale. Suppose it was discovered how to get the gps enabled on the 6700 for instance. Anything the particular phone co. did to again disable the gps on the phones would not be legal in my view. Wasn't something like this done by Apple to the iphones that people unlocked?

It would be great if the Verizon 6800 got gps enabled though.

**No1ustad** · #43 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 06:05 AM

Yes, the iphone was released, unlocked within a couple weeks, and then apple decided to send out an "update", which had some code (unsure of the specifics) that bricked all unlocked iphones...

**gguruusa** · #44 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 06:54 AM

Heh - they claimed it wasn't intentional (but you know they got a good laugh out of it).

It's not illegal to sell a crippled device. It is illegal to sell a crippled device without disclosure when a reasonable person has an expectation that it isn't so crippled. Thus, the intel chip crippling is legal because you are sold the part under the crippled spec. Selling a 15" laptop display that only 14" of work would be illegal - everyone expects all 15" to work (I actually had this problem once).

Apple isn't liable for crippling unlocked iphones unless malice can be demonstrated...they clearly can't be held responsible for any side effect of your random phone modification.

B18DelSolT · #45 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Yay 4 Juggs

they probably waited till he walked away before laughing so as not to drawn attention to themselves.

Lmao thats good, But hopefully this will fix all the bugs get WM 6.1

**Success100** · #46 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeriginal

You could ask them for a demo of the new Rom upgrade, but all they will do is take a dump in a brown paper bag and hand it to you.

this is insanely hilarious joe, ive been laughin since I read that post!!!! That was yesterday!!!

**nuguy** · #47 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 09:45 AM

yeah I read that vzw would be doing the evdo-A in a rom update, but no mention of gps for vzw. Kindof hoping that gps comes with it, but am counting on having all those features by the time htc does a vzw release.

bakntyme · #48 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 10:37 AM

To all of the wannabe lawyers posting about their views of the illegality of selling a "crippled" device or making a "crippling" modification after the sale:

Is it illegal to sell a car with a speed governor? If not, then selling a "crippled" device is not illegal.

Is it illegal for Microsoft to issue an OS update that closes a security hole that someone was exploiting on their own computer? If not, then it is not illegal to "cripple" a device after the sale.

Vacs · #49 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:31 PM

Oh that hurts. I think I speak for most of us when I say we are not wannabe laywers, we would rather go to heaven when we die. Seriously though, who cares? Verizon customers just want gps too. (Hear that Verizon, we know you monitor these boards)

iwillfearnoevil · #50 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bakntyme

To all of the wannabe lawyers posting ... making a "crippling" modification after the sale:

Is it illegal for Microsoft to issue an OS update that closes a security hole that someone was exploiting on their own computer? If not, then it is not illegal to "cripple" a device after the sale.

not talking the same thing. what if microsoft has to disable and uninstall core features such as internet explorer and we'd have to go buy a browser from another company. the possibility of gps made me lean toward my mogul but i knew it was no sure thing...