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**jethro_static** · #51 (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnythan

Do you have the patent number on that?

I think it's this one:
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...DN/20080211766

But this statement is from wikipedia:
The latest revisions of Apple's notebooks (including the MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro), all feature a glass touchpad with multi-touch gestures.[5] Apple is currently in the process of trying to patent its “Multi-touch” technology and to trademark the term "multi-touch".[

**jethro_static** · #52 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by meatgel

Apple owns a patent on HOW they make muti-touch happen on their handhelds. They are using the same technology in their laptops and such now as well.

Microsoft owns a patent on HOW they make muti-touch work on their new harware as well. They are not retricted to Surface and could use it in a handheld if they choose to make one.

Apple was the first to use it in a phone, but there are many companies that are developing for it now. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch) the application of multi-touch will be getting bigger and bigger ...

MS own a patent on multi touch? where did U read that? The wiki link does not mention anywhere that microsoft owns the patent. U r guessing and or assuming

dcperdue · #53 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 10:32 AM

Commence The Touch!

**jethro_static** · #54 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by vinscuzzy

This article seems to imply that current windows mobile phones are capable of multi touch, but the function has to be implemented into the OS. Maybe Im reading it wrong, but according to this author, it seems to be more of a software issue, not hardware.

http://www.devx.com/wireless/Article/37508

You know what multi touch u get from just a software with no hardware? read post 21. It's close, but not the real thing.

**meatgel** · #55 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jethro_static

MS own a patent on multi touch? where did U read that? The wiki link does not mention anywhere that microsoft owns the patent. U r guessing and or assuming

I was assuming. I didn't search out the patent. If you think about it, think about the chips in phones. There are many kinds of chips used from a few different companies. Could you imagine if one company patented "chips" just broadly ... It's the process, the "how it works" that is patented. Each company's chip is based in slightly different technology so they can each make their own.

Say you need to get somewhere and you take one route and another guy takes a different route, but you make it to the same place ... you both "claim" your routes as your own and charge fees for others to be on you respective routes. That's how I look at it.

But, no, I don't read patents... they are over my head.

**jethro_static** · #56 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by meatgel

I was assuming. I didn't search out the patent. If you think about it, think about the chips in phones. There are many kinds of chips used from a few different companies. Could you imagine if one company patented "chips" just broadly ... It's the process, the "how it works" that is patented. Each company's chip is based in slightly different technology so they can each make their own.

Say you need to get somewhere and you take one route and another guy takes a different route, but you make it to the same place ... you both "claim" your routes as your own and charge fees for others to be on you respective routes. That's how I look at it.

But, no, I don't read patents... they are over my head.

do u know that sirfstar III chipsets is on the verge of being banned in the us for patent infridgement against broadcom? what do u mean u dont patent the chip?

**meatgel** · #57 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 02:31 PM

I think you are missing what I'm saying. What Qualcom and Sirfstar are fighting about is that Qualcom is using Sirfs exact technology. They didn't find their own.

But If I make a chip that can run really fast by using diodes and you make a chip that runs at the same speed by use capacitors ... well, then we don't have conflicting patents. That is probably a really dumbed down explination, but it's the best I can do. I just think I'm not explaining myself well enough.

I don't want you to think I was fighting with anyone or saying anybody was wrong ... I just added my 2 cents. Maybe just 1 cent.

I'd hate to be a patent lawyer, though.

Also, Qualcom and Sirfstar signed an agreement recently ... http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/s...6/daily84.html . .. which may or may not end the fight.

**jethro_static** · #58 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by meatgel

I think you are missing what I'm saying. What Qualcom and Sirfstar are fighting about is that Qualcom is using Sirfs exact technology. They didn't find their own.

But If I make a chip that can run really fast by using diodes and you make a chip that runs at the same speed by use capacitors ... well, then we don't have conflicting patents. That is probably a really dumbed down explination, but it's the best I can do. I just think I'm not explaining myself well enough.

I don't want you to think I was fighting with anyone or saying anybody was wrong ... I just added my 2 cents. Maybe just 1 cent.

I'd hate to be a patent lawyer, though.

I am not fighting. I wanna state facts. and I am not talking about qualcom and sirfstar. It's broadcom and sirfstar. Sirfstar makes GPS chips andbroadcom makes bluetooth but i got what ur saying now. but where does that apply? Multi touch between apple and MS? MS does not own any patent on multitouch. The nobody owns the technology itself. But apple is trying to get it. But like I said, It will be imposible.

**meatgel** · #59 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 02:51 PM

K. I got ya!

Here's something that has a lot of info, too: http://www.aboutmicrosoftsurface.com...nd-patents.php

and if you want a whole history of this hub-bub (lots to read, but very informative): http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

**jethro_static** · #60 (**permalink**) 12-06-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by meatgel

K. I got ya!

Here's something that has a lot of info, too: http://www.aboutmicrosoftsurface.com...nd-patents.php

That is a nice read. U see, microsoft does not have patent on multi touch and they are trying to get some for the surface. They have 5000 patented idea but non for multi touch. Apple in the other hand got the most patent for multitouch and fingerworks. And fingerworks was acquired by apple. U see those name in there listed? It's most if not all apple. Since nobody owns the multi touch technology itself, microsofts surface does not need to worry as it says in the last statement.

The above may not be a threat to Microsoft Surface, but reveal that many inventors are working on multi touch, multi user technologies all the time.