Warez Vs. Tethering

[crazychef]

well im just glad we have have light hearted people in here lol

and i dont negate the fact the plan youd have to get would be ridiculous or that 150 plan which would only coover one phone... a rip i agree.. but yeah use away and thanks for agreeing... now go get your wife lol

[Dr.8820]

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

Yes, only in the past month & thats with my Diamond.
Never flashed a custom rom with my Mogul & I didn't reccomend it to my friend in question.

I myself don't use or need PAM because I own a U727 Novatel USB broadband card already.

BTW you can't steal whats given to, Windows Mobile 6+ by standard issue, allows this. Sprints inconsistency on regulation is thier problem, he had every right to use INTERNET SHARING. He used no alteration, even when he flashed Sprints latest ROM that locked it.

if you get away with what you're doing then fine. but please read all of the posts again because this thread is basically about what is to be talked about on this site and what the people running this site are trying to stop: posting warez.a sprint phone as modem plan is just that: anything around paying $15 a month is stealing or warez by this websites' definition. good night geekers!

[z28marols1]

the quote that was brought from the other thread about telus catching somebody using ICS w/o paying for it only proves that sprint could have a conversation with each one of us that does it "illegally" if they were so inclined. However, since they currently choose to be silent on the matter and tolerate our usage of it I say that ICS hack is not warez, should not be banned and should not be removed. It is up to sprint to tell PPCGeeks that they have a problem with the instructions being on the site and it is also up to sprint to tell us that they have a problem with us using ICS.

and as a side note im pretty sure warez have been banned from this site because developers and software producers have specifically asked for this and of course the site complied to keep from having any legal reprecussions, not becuase of any moral quams about having warez on the site. mod correct me if im wrong...

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

the quote that was brought from the other thread about telus catching somebody using ICS w/o paying for it only proves that sprint could have a conversation with each one of us that does it "illegally" if they were so inclined. However, since they currently choose to be silent on the matter and tolerate our usage of it I say that ICS hack is not warez, should not be banned and should not be removed. It is up to sprint to tell PPCGeeks that they have a problem with the instructions being on the site and it is also up to sprint to tell us that they have a problem with us using ICS.

and as a side note im pretty sure warez have been banned from this site because developers and software producers have specifically asked for this and of course the site complied to keep from having any legal reprecussions, not becuase of any moral quams about having warez on the site. mod correct me if im wrong...

so this is what u use to justify stealing a paid service option???

[crazychef]

atleast im honest, and willing to admit im stealing, i just dont really care what their policy is... but im curious what makes you think they chose to be silent and tolerate it, when its in our TOS that we CANT do this..

just curious why we can steal this, talk about it so out in the open, and reccommend other people to do the same thing

[htcdiamond36]

Services are not available for use in connection with server devices or host computer applications, other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions, or as substitutes for private lines or frame relay connections. Except with phone-as-modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) on a plan with unlimited Vision/Power Vision as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device. We reserve the right to deny or terminate service without notice for any misuse.

As long as your plan is a "Phone-as-modem plan" This is perfectly legal! My phone is on a "Phone-as-modem plan" I get to work i sit on the train i open my laptop and connect my diamond and i load my RR maps from the phone for whatever line im running for the night and i do this every night www.rrmaps.com. I have yet to run into any problems or warnings on me and with 3 years of this now i havent had a word said to me from any sprint anything so explain why i read through this thread and find nothing about this? Also just to throw this out there my dad uses his mogul as a modem for god knows what and sometimes the stuff he downloads when it is his modem scares me.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by htcdiamond36

As long as your plan is a "Phone-as-modem plan" This is perfectly legal! My phone is on a "Phone-as-modem plan" I get to work i sit on the train i open my laptop and connect my diamond and i load my RR maps from the phone for whatever line im running for the night and i do this every night www.rrmaps.com. I have yet to run into any problems or warnings on me and with 3 years of this now i havent had a word said to me from any sprint anything so explain why i read through this thread and find nothing about this? Also just to throw this out there my dad uses his mogul as a modem for god knows what and sometimes the stuff he downloads when it is his modem scares me.

ok, im gonna try not to be rude here, your phone is on a phone as modem plan, why would sprint contact you ABOUT DOING THIS THE PROPER WAY? and btw thanks for your copy/paste, it only further proof that sprint has warnings out there that ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PAM PLAN, is misuse of your phone and a violation of TOS, thus meaning were stealing, making this a warez topic..

so thanks for that, even though im pretty sure you thought somehow you were disproving my point..

[tech]

ok i use tethering alot and i go over the 5 gigs i usualy use between 15 to 30 gigs every month been doing that since a year and8 month i dont have dsl no more i use triaght wireless and i havent benn charge at all and still this past month ive use 22 gigs the most ive dones was 50 gigs and still nada

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by crazychef

atleast im honest, im just stealing, i dont really care what their policy is... but im curious what makes you think they chose to be silent and tolerate it, when its in our TOS that we CANT do this..

1st get a better idea of what warez is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
Try not to skim.



LOL I'm going to try my best to explain, no you are not stealing.
If you were using a dumbphone, yes. Windows Mobile 2003, yes. There would be serious issues with this.

"Why am I so honored but they aren't?" "So Genjinaro its ok for me to do it?" you ask.

Yes, those phones do not have this ability by any standard means & the carrier "must" unlock this feature.

Windows Mobile 5.2 & 6+ puts you in a grey area, by standard issue, Windows Mobile 6 allows you to share any Internet connection you have on your device, whether it be Wifi or 3G via BT or USB. If you carrier locks it somehow then its just a tampering of the standard feature, they can prevent but they cannot force the lock unless Microsoft does not grant permission to develop anything granting. (Their method seems sloppy trying to lock it with older WM6 phones.).
Microsoft allows you to do this legally with whatever connection.
Your rights are provided by them to use this & software can be developed to enhance this.

Because of is pre-existence in the OS + legal 3rd party development there is no sole or one way to get this service on a WM6 device.
Its access depends on the legitimate software creator & their intended use of this software. The creators of WMWifi have this right & they sell it to the end user for its intended use, Microsoft has granted this right to the end user. You already have the means from the OS developers and an optional service from the carrier.

^This is a shareware scenario

Read up here to see what you are entitled to in WM6
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb158534.aspx

WMWifi is also a copyrighted software.

Now on the flip:

Lets say if Sprint made a "software" called "PAM-Connect" ($25 to buy with a monthly fee of $55) this software was the only way you could get PAM and any other way would have to be a modification of this software
& Joe-hackurphone post up a file of a racked version of "PAM-Connect" for all to use or even just himself or for the hell of it.
He did not develop this software, pay for everyone to use it, nor did he have the authority to enable this feature without the 1st 2 prerequisites.



^This would be Warez. Even if he renamed it and changed the code alittle it'd be Warez.

I really hope I helped somewhat in clearing this up.
Its a "grey cloud" answer Sprint can charge but cannot force you to use this as long as its legally featured to be apart of the WM6 OS and 3rd development is legally approved to make use of it.

[htcdiamond36]

Originally Posted by crazychef

ok, im gonna try not to be rude here, your phone is on a phone as modem plan, why would sprint contact you ABOUT DOING THIS THE PROPER WAY? and btw thanks for your copy/paste, it only further proof that sprint has warnings out there that ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PAM PLAN, is misuse of your phone and a violation of TOS, thus meaning were stealing, making this a warez topic..

so thanks for that, even though im pretty sure you thought somehow you were disproving my point..

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

1st get a better idea of what warez is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
Try not to skim.



LOL I'm going to try my best to explain, no you are not stealing.
If you were using a dumbphone, yes. Windows Mobile 2003, yes. There would be serious issues with this.

"Why am I so honored but they aren't?" "So Genjinaro its ok for me to do it?" you ask.

Yes, those phones do not have this ability by any standard means & the carrier "must" unlock this feature.

Windows Mobile 5.2 & 6+ puts you in a grey area, by standard issue, Windows Mobile 6 allows you to share any Internet connection you have on your device, whether it be Wifi or 3G via BT or USB. If you carrier locks it somehow then its just a tampering of the standard feature, they can prevent but they cannot force the lock unless Microsoft does not grant permission to develop anything granting. (Their method seems sloppy trying to lock it with older WM6 phones.).
Microsoft allows you to do this legally with whatever connection.
Your rights are provided by them to use this & software can be developed to enhance this.

Because of is pre-existence in the OS + legal 3rd party development there is no sole or one way to get this service on a WM6 device.
Its access depends on the legitimate software creator & their intended use of this software. The creators of WMWifi have this right & they sell it to the end user for its intended use, Microsoft has granted this right to the end user. You already have the means from the OS developers and an optional service from the carrier.

^This is a shareware scenario

Read up here to see what you are entitled to in WM6
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb158534.aspx

WMWifi is also a copyrighted software.

Now on the flip:

Lets say if Sprint made a "software" called "PAM-Connect" ($25 to buy with a monthly fee of $55) this software was the only way you could get PAM and any other way would have to be a modification of this software
& Joe-hackurphone post up a file of a racked version of "PAM-Connect" for all to use or even just himself or for the hell of it.
He did not develop this software, pay for everyone to use it, nor did he have the authority to enable this feature without the 1st 2 prerequisites.



^This would be Warez. Even if he renamed it and changed the code alittle it'd be Warez.

I really hope I helped somewhat in clearing this up.
Its a "grey cloud" answer Sprint can charge but cannot force you to use this as long as its legally featured to be apart of the WM6 OS and 3rd development is legally approved to make use of it.

Ok, even when i was using a Razor connected with a regular data plan using high volumes as a modem i want contact, They arent going to enforce it! If they enforce it they risk losing there customers to other carriers. I know people that work at the local sprint store one who cooks roms for touch pros and gives them to his co-workers and at his desk is his touch pro tethered to his personal laptop, he is not on a Phone as modem plan it is not his work phone provided to him by sprint it is his PERSONAL phone, I have asked several people at the store and on the phone about this they state to me that tehy choose not to enforce it as to they do and lose customers"Money in there bank account" to other carriers IE(ATT T-Mobile Verizon)
And like it is stated in a post above mine If it is included with the base phone before sprint gets ahold of it they cannot tell you not to use it or LOCK IT.1!!!!!@1!!!!1