Warez Vs. Tethering

[crazychef]

Lets say if Sprint made a "software" called "PAM-Connect" ($25 to buy with a monthly fee of $55) this software was the only way you could get PAM and any other way would have to be a modification of this software
& Joe-hackurphone post up a file of a racked version of "PAM-Connect" for all to use or even just himself or forthe hell of it.
He did not develop this software, pay for everyone to use it, nor did he have the authority to enable this feature without the 1st 2 prerequisits.



^This would be Warez. Even if he renamed it and chaged the code alittle it'd be Warez.

I really hope I helped somewhat in clearing this up.
Its a "grey cloud" answer Sprint can charge but cannot force you to use this as long as its legally featured to be apart of the WM6 OS and 3rd development is legally approved to make use of it.
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are u serious, sprint does offer this and the only other way to obtain its service without paying for it, is through "JOehackurphones" posted methods
he's 100 percent right here, and wrong on the rest.. SPRINT is our carrier, MS cannot authorize any modifications to Sprints service... sure MS makes ICS, but this if there is no option... but guess what these options mentioned DO EXIST... sure MS says we can mod there stuff, TO A POINT, ask Juicy... b ut sprint says, you cant download any 3rd party anything into your phone also... Sprint is the carrier, MS just designed the OS, Sprint has the final word on how THEIR DATA, NOT MS', get used... is is about abusing SPRINTS data plans through "cracking" MS' software...

because again i point out, you cant just use ICS without the Hack/"Crack"... so by all means lets conference call MS offices tomorrrow usuing skype or something so we can all hear MS say its ok for us to hack their prog to abuse our carriers services... i bet a yrs salary, theres no way youll get a yes answer from them....

do you or anyone represent MS??? how does anyone know their offical position on "crack" their stuff?? so please dont speak as if your voice is the sole voice of any of the developer, site host, carrier service or MS itself...

and before anyone says MS controls what we do to our phones, MS has nothing to do with how we obatin service, until i start getting phone bills with MS' logo on em, im gonna stick with its not their call..

WERE ALL STEALING, STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT.. is/has anyone asked u not to do this??/ just face it man, your wrong... were stealing as service THAT DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO BE PAID FOR.. theres no freeware version of this.. as your posted link or whatever it was states... this is shareware, and were not paying for it.. it also mentions, the "cant obtain service thing" we can and should be paying for it..

Originally Posted by tech

ok i use tethering alot and i go over the 5 gigs i usualy use between 15 to 30 gigs every month been doing that since a year and8 month i dont have dsl no more i use triaght wireless and i havent benn charge at all and still this past month ive use 22 gigs the most ive dones was 50 gigs and still nada

so whats your point?? please stick to the topic.. were debating is this wrong, are we stealing??

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by crazychef

Lets say if Sprint made a "software" called "PAM-Connect" ($25 to buy with a monthly fee of $55) this software was the only way you could get PAM and any other way would have to be a modification of this software
& Joe-hackurphone post up a file of a racked version of "PAM-Connect" for all to use or even just himself or forthe hell of it.
He did not develop this software, pay for everyone to use it, nor did he have the authority to enable this feature without the 1st 2 prerequisits.



^This would be Warez. Even if he renamed it and chaged the code alittle it'd be Warez.

I really hope I helped somewhat in clearing this up.
Its a "grey cloud" answer Sprint can charge but cannot force you to use this as long as its legally featured to be apart of the WM6 OS and 3rd development is legally approved to make use of it.
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are u serious, sprint does offer this and the only other way to obtain its service without paying for it, is through "JOehackurphones" posted methods
he's 100 percent right here, and wrong on the rest.. SPRINT is our carrier, MS cannot authorize any modifications to Sprints service... sure MS makes ICS, but this if there is no option... but guess what these options mentioned DO EXIST... sure MS says we can mod there stuff, TO A POINT, ask Juicy... b ut sprint says, you cant download any 3rd party anything into your phone also... Sprint is the carrier, MS just designed the OS, Sprint has the final word on how THEIR DATA, NOT MS', get used... is is about abusing SPRINTS data plans through "cracking" MS' software...

1. OMG Did you not READ my post, -No-they-do-not. *Show me this software made by Sprint*. & who is the Joe here? (all the players I see, have copyrights & can legally offer the software) Its that simple.
On a dumbphone, yes. Windows Mobile THEY DO NOT NOT have sole control of networking services, the network: yes other than that: NO.
The do not leagally control all aspects Microsoft IS. If anything Sprint is modifiying, not Microsoft nor the developers.

2. Where does it say you cannot download software, claimed by Sprint, show me this because its bull or WOM.
I can assume cracks or hacks but no way on legally distributed software.

3. If WMWifi was illegal it would've been pulled, its is copyrighted Software. End of story on that.

4. Hello, Juicy made a modification of software without legal authority, WMWifi creators did no such thing. Its not a crack.
IS once again, is not a crack.

5. IS is not a crack by Microsoft against carriers, is it an inconvienience, yes.
Its not enforced because they can lose.
You must already be paying for data to use this, *Sprint charges you for HOW you use it HOW, you can't steal if you're paying for the data currently running on the phone & you haven't cracked paid software made by the phone company through underhanded/illegal methods.
IS allows for any data connection to share, that simple. Oh you're not paying for that? Oh well tought luck: NOT Stealing. Thank you Microsoft, thank you Microsoft approved (legally righted) 3rd parties.


6. Mr. Icantundurstan: "But you're using your Windows Mobile 6 phone to connect to your = ______."

".........."

Unless you're phone can only use a sprint provided method for the connection, Sprint can't block all aspects of you using your connections provided by the phone. Simple for you, not for them.


7. Why is this so hard to explain to you? Sprint has better authorization over dumbphone here & when you do this with a dumbphone, it gets ENFORCED.
Why you ask, because you "must HACK" (not possibly; m-u-s-t) and brake carrier specific locks that uses thier sole & righted method to do so.
They cannot demand this over a WM6 device. They can prevent but they cannot STOP it. (See my previous post)

Windows Mobile is a monkey wrentch of interference but it entitles you to use what ever features is has, legally, you can re enable features LEGALLY!
Its not a damed loop hole of evil, its standard issue as well as 3rd party optioned.

Otherwise there couldn't be copyrighted software to do so.

Its that simple for you, not the carrier.

Reading about the Palm Pre, this will also run across the same roadblock.
Sprint went as far as axing it off of the feature list of the Pre, (again a pre-existing means on the phone by Palm) they (Sprint) can prevent but they cannot force this lock unless they ask Palm to completely remove and if Palm disallows developers to alter the ability in any way shape or form but its impossible, they're using a Linux base.

OH Noes!^

BTW please re-read my earlier post, I'm starting to think you're trying to be dense.

-Are you stealing: No you are using the phone in an unintended method in the carrier's eyes. You must be paying for the data service in order to use it. Sprint is charging for the HOW on a PAM plan.
You can also use your phones Wifi to act as a Wifi router for a WiFi-less pc.

-Is it wrong to use Microsoft standards to use my phone this way?: No, by defualt standards, the phone is a multi-networking device.
-Is WMWifi wrong & its customers: No, you have the legal right to use it as they do to distribute
-Should I pay for PAM?: Its up to you, Sprint offers a HOW to use you phone program, as does Microsoft, as does (legal) 3rd parties.

The varying factors, end in your favor: That simple.

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*=Take note

[snowplow54]

I look at paying for a product like pdanet to be similar to buying a slingbox. i could pay the monthly fee for PAM or sprint tv, but why not pay the one time fee? now, i'm sure you could say that one is violating the TOS and one is not, but so what. usually surfing the web for an hour uses less data than, watching my slingbox on my phone for an hour. Also, if I violate my TOS, then sprint has a few options; they can charge me additional fees, terminate my contract, or do nothing. If sprint does nothing, then who's to say I owe them anything. And that is where the difference is, providing illegal cracked programs would get ppcgeeks shut down, where as giving you the means to violate YOUR own TOS is up to your discretion to use, and up to your carrier's discretion to enforce.

please note that I capitalized "your" in the last sentance because not all TOS's are the same and it is up to you to know your TOS and not up to ppcgeeks. if internet sharing violates one person's TOS and not another's, then it should be posted on here, and left to user to decide what to do.

[rzawora]

WOW!!!
I seriously just found this thread...after reading about it over and over and over again in the HTC VOGUE forum. I kind of just got fed up with people trying to STEAL the service I just had to go to the mods with it. I posted over in the READ BEFORE YOU POST...you know...the one where they say posting Warez is against the rules.
Honestly people...what is the difference between tossing off some copyrighted software, or a way to get a SERVICE FOR SALE for free by loopholes? This is stealing...directing people to steal, and assisting stealing in everyway.
I honestly can't believe I just read through 7 or 8 pages of posts back and forth and never got ONE response from a mod whatsoevere. I guess maybe they're still making their decision? I just have one question here... I watched my favorite ROM maker... NFSFAN get banned from here for "allegedly" copying software by NO2CHEM...which wasn't copyright...which means wasn't WAREZ, but he gets banned...what gives...
I like this forum and I like helping people...I like the rule of no WAREZ...I like the idea of people getting credit where credit is due...I don't really want to get banned...but I would really love to see people quit talking about doing something illegally/against the TOS or whatever you want to call it. I know I don't have to read the post etc, etc, etc... but stick by your own rules and be for real.
FOR THOSE TETHERING AWAY WITHOUT PAYING...WHY DON'T YOU JUST BUY A BROADBAND CARD...AND PAY FOR IT...LIKE MOST PEOPLE DO WHO REQUIRE IT???
FOR THE MODS...SORRY IF YOU TAKE THIS OFFENSIVE...I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME JUDGEMENT ON IT...

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by rzawora

WOW!!!
I seriously just found this thread...after reading about it over and over and over again in the HTC VOGUE forum. I kind of just got fed up with people trying to STEAL the service I just had to go to the mods with it. I posted over in the READ BEFORE YOU POST...you know...the one where they say posting Warez is against the rules.
Honestly people...what is the difference between tossing off some copyrighted software, or a way to get a SERVICE FOR SALE for free by loopholes? This is stealing...directing people to steal, and assisting stealing in everyway.
I honestly can't believe I just read through 7 or 8 pages of posts back and forth and never got ONE response from a mod whatsoevere. I guess maybe they're still making their decision? I just have one question here... I watched my favorite ROM maker... NFSFAN get banned from here for "allegedly" copying software by NO2CHEM...which wasn't copyright...which means wasn't WAREZ, but he gets banned...what gives...
I like this forum and I like helping people...I like the rule of no WAREZ...I like the idea of people getting credit where credit is due...I don't really want to get banned...but I would really love to see people quit talking about doing something illegally/against the TOS or whatever you want to call it. I know I don't have to read the post etc, etc, etc... but stick by your own rules and be for real.
FOR THOSE TETHERING AWAY WITHOUT PAYING...WHY DON'T YOU JUST BUY A BROADBAND CARD...AND PAY FOR IT...LIKE MOST PEOPLE DO WHO REQUIRE IT???
FOR THE MODS...SORRY IF YOU TAKE THIS OFFENSIVE...I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME JUDGEMENT ON IT...

you know what, your dam freakin right... theres your option out, the broadband cards, im a moron.. thats offered to everyone, no matter what your plan is because it adds another line with its independent service..
but yeah here ya go.. from our "NO TOLERANCE" policy..

You WILL be banned if you post anything about warez (keygens, serials, cracks, anything about getting paid
software for free) or ESN cloning.

a hosting site offering "cracked versions" of paid software or allowing its members to post, offer, or support is a no no right, and indeed would be supplying warez...were all in agreementt with this right?????

now can u offer the keygens,serials,cracks without having the software?? im pretty sure this is a solid NO as well..

how our we not supplying the "key,serial,crack,(instead we use safe words here like "hack" or "tweak" and hide behind their definiton being slighty varied)..

sure ppc isnt giving us something.. although im sure quite a few have sprint and are more than familiar with sprint TOS, and if not from their personal experience, but from the serveral times over its been posted in this website over the years.. but kazaa wasnt supplying the mp3s to its users either

[crazychef]

and if anything that posted text message from TELUS saying they dont approve.. only further proves the carriers have interest..

Telus expressed its disapproval of this, so is the site now gonna ban all telus users from talking about these things, because thats telus saying, hey, your not allowed to that...

is the hack gonna not be allowed in telus roms now that Telus notified a member of this site that he is in fact stealing services.. telus just doesnt know how or where it came from to do anything but say well charge you if you dont comply...

if anything this should be a warning, to ALL OF US, we may be on the verge of losing our gifts that have been so graciously bestowed and past along onto us... its time to stop spreading the wealth.. its time to admit, and stop sugar coating what we really are doing and just remove all traces from the site and ban the topic... if someone posts the ever annoying " can or how can i connect my phone to my laptop"...and somewhere in there dont forget the ".....for free" we shold simply tell them its not a topic for here and to contact their carrier for the correct solution to their problem..

not advise them how to steal services from their carrier..

[htcdiamond36]

if anything this should be a warning, to ALL OF US, we may be on the verge of losing our gifts that have been so graciously bestowed and past along onto us... its time to stop spreading the wealth.. its time to admit, and stop sugar coating what we really are doing and just remove all traces from the site and ban the topic... if someone posts the ever annoying " can or how can i connect my phone to my laptop"...and somewhere in there dont forget the ".....for free" we shold simply tell them its not a topic for here and to contact their carrier for the correct solution to their problem..

not advise them how to steal services from their carrier.

wow crazychef if you would just read what he posted you prolly wouldnt of posted that.

If sprint does nothing, then who's to say I owe them anything. And that is where the difference is, providing illegal cracked programs would get ppcgeeks shut down, where as giving you the means to violate YOUR own TOS is up to your discretion to use, and up to your carrier's discretion to enforce.

please note that I capitalized "your" in the last sentance because not all TOS's are the same and it is up to you to know your TOS and not up to ppcgeeks. if internet sharing violates one person's TOS and not another's, then it should be posted on here, and left to user to decide what to do.

Ok so basically my TOS my be different from your TOS My TOS my say i can do all the PAM i want and on the contrair yours my say DO NOT USE PAM OR YOU CAN ONLY USE SO MUCH, its not a topic that should be banned as some users TOS may allow them to do so and that is what we are here to help with would you stop elongating something that could have already ended? So in other words you may call it stealing but you dont exactly know what it is, i am sorry if anyone finds this insulting but UNLESS YOU KNOW EVERYONES TOS DO NOT SAY ITS STEALING JUST BECAUSE ITS YOUR OPPINION!!!1

[Rabid_Gypsy]

Originally Posted by crazychef

and if anything that posted text message from TELUS saying they dont approve.. only further proves the carriers have interest..

Telus expressed its disapproval of this, so is the site now gonna ban all telus users from talking about these things, because thats telus saying, hey, your not allowed to that...

is the hack gonna not be allowed in telus roms now that Telus notified a member of this site that he is in fact stealing services.. telus just doesnt know how or where it came from to do anything but say well charge you if you dont comply...

if anything this should be a warning, to ALL OF US, we may be on the verge of losing our gifts that have been so graciously bestowed and past along onto us... its time to stop spreading the wealth.. its time to admit, and stop sugar coating what we really are doing and just remove all traces from the site and ban the topic... if someone posts the ever annoying " can or how can i connect my phone to my laptop"...and somewhere in there dont forget the ".....for free" we shold simply tell them its not a topic for here and to contact their carrier for the correct solution to their problem..

not advise them how to steal services from their carrier..

I'm the guy that got the text from Telus, and although I was told by the salesperson that I could tether to my laptop without problem (I knew that I couldn't), I don't think telus was saying I'm doing something wrong, just that they are going to start charging for tethering. I have been tethering for about a year now, but not very much data, just postingblogs or checking some websites that don't work righ on my phone. I read the text as them saying that I will just have to pay for it. The user manual for my phone tells me how to do it and the disc that came with my phone had the drivers go here and see page 106, they tell you how to do it. I just read every post and think that my thread was taken out of context. I used WModem until I started using cooked ROMs and had to start using ics because it was the only option (no difference in what I was doing). I'm not sure what the differences are between ics and WModem are but I was only pointing out to Telus customers that they should be careful and fight back like I am going to do as I was told there would be no charge, it will either end-up in a truly unlimited data plan for me (as that's what I signed-up for) or a discount of $8/month to get me to Bell's data rate.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by Rabid_Gypsy

I'm the guy that got the text from Telus, and although I was told by the salesperson that I could tether to my laptop without problem (I knew that I couldn't), I don't think telus was saying I'm doing something wrong, just that they are going to start charging for tethering. I have been tethering for about a year now, but not very much data, just postingblogs or checking some websites that don't work righ on my phone. I read the text as them saying that I will just have to pay for it. The user manual for my phone tells me how to do it and the disc that came with my phone had the drivers go here and see page 106, they tell you how to do it. I just read every post and think that my thread was taken out of context. I used WModem until I started using cooked ROMs and had to start using ics because it was the only option (no difference in what I was doing). I'm not sure what the differences are between ics and WModem are but I was only pointing out to Telus customers that they should be careful and fight back like I am going to do as I was told there would be no charge, it will either end-up in a truly unlimited data plan for me (as that's what I signed-up for) or a discount of $8/month to get me to Bell's data rate.

is that not saying, "wait, your suppose to be paying for this"? youll end up having to pay the 8 a month im sure..

your admitting you knew you were stealing something, and your gonna try to hide behind a lie(him saying u could in fact do it) when in fact, you knew the lie to be false ahead of time.. so your hoping your deceit will pay off basiclly..

and sprint user manual tells you how to send a pic mail, yet your not suppose to use it until you pay the proper fee...

everyone, especially someone who knows to turn to a site like this for things) knows that their carriers dont not offer this type of service with an add on of some sort of an inclusive type plan

[crazychef]

i did just go read what he posted, he admitted to knowing the salesman didnt know that he really couldn tether without a 'MIKE" plan.. so the site member knew full well he needed the additional plan for the access he was getting.. hes gonns argue charges, if anything, but their not gonna allow him to continue doing what hes doing.. theyve obviously proved that by contacting him..

sprint is allowed to lock whatever service they deem fitting.. they make the calls.. its their network.. we pay them, we dont pay MS or anyone for using sprint.. were not magically usuing a MS data line using ICS this way.. Why could sprint block sms for so long, yet offer it to virtually every other phone in their service, yet still charge us a monthly pic mail fee, even though we cant use it... there would be a class action suit in an instant, cost sprint 100s of millions of dollars to pay every user back for the months they paid for pic mail, yet the service was unavailable to them.. why cant they be sued? because it their right to decide how we use anything and everything that radiates from inside/throughout these phones...