Warez Vs. Tethering

[z28marols1]

we are not circumventing copyright protection or distributing copyrighted material, thats what makes it not illegal to discuss and post.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

Right, as long as it does not steal the service, & it doesn't legally you are safe.

If a PAM plan didnt require an exsisting connction (and it does) you are made to use a HOW and thats it.

PAM offers no data in itself only the means to use the existing service.
By compliance, you are not restricted to use an alternate service if you have means (legally).

For example if you have a phone plan that restricts long distance call but you use skype to do this over the carriers data, you can legally make this call. You are using a legal alternative method.

ahh but carriers, aside from telus(if u goto that link) actually here :You will not use the service for: multi-media streaming; voice over Internet protocol; or any other application which uses excessive network

i can totally set up a cell phone to only have a pam plan and not a voice,text, or regular data plan.. also, havent u read the posts where people are talking about their sprint service being cancelled, yet wmwifi provides them access to tether still... what "exsisting connection" is he usuing for that to happen.. PAM is independent..

and 2nd highlight...umm thats skype right? so TELUS does take a stand on that particular issue... so thats not a legal alterative so to speak..

[schettj]

Originally Posted by crazychef

except the changes that do nothing at all, magically allow your phone to connect, which doesnt happen with the included free support software that MS gives us... you cant get access out of the box without changing PAM over to sprint which is hacking sprints system into making it believe you using nothing more than your standard data connection when in fact your manipulating something to work around instead of just paying for the service...

I know you don't understand how this works, but in a nutshell

ICS shares an existing network connection on your phone over BT PAN or USB RNDIS.

Nothing more.

ICS Can "make" a connection if your phone is currently not connected. If it has to, it will connect using whichever profile is specified in the registry.

By default that is named PAM. The reg edit changes that to SPRINT. BOTH just dial #777 to make a ppp connection.

There is an additional change which involves either preventing a service from starting or deleting the dll which some people seem to think makes the connection work more reliably. It is a placebo, but if it makes you happy go for it.

I suppose if your device did not have a profile named PAM it would fail out of the box. If so, make a new profile that is a copy of sprint, named PAM.

This is not magic or rocket science or deep leet haxxor skils. This is just out of the box functionality of Windows Mobile.

Again, if you believe editing the registry without installing any additional software is cracking or a keygen, then you're totally nuts.

TOS violation, yes. Warez, no.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

we are not circumventing copyright protection or distributing copyrighted material, thats what makes it not illegal to discuss and post.

we are editing the registry of MS' copyrighted version of ICS that is on our cell phones.. Im sure MS says thats a big no no.. did they give you permission to edit their licensed software? nope! did they give juicy permission to edit their licensed software? nope!

[z28marols1]

wow, you really are gonna go after roms next, arent you?

and ms doesnt care if you edit the registry, editing base code on the other hand they frown upon.

Also i remember reading the gave juicy crap bc he was using code that wasnt released yet, as wm 6.5

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by schettj

I know you don't understand how this works, but in a nutshell

ICS shares an existing network connection on your phone over BT PAN or USB RNDIS.

Nothing more.

ICS Can "make" a connection if your phone is currently not connected. If it has to, it will connect using whichever profile is specified in the registry.

By default that is named PAM. The reg edit changes that to SPRINT. BOTH just dial #777 to make a ppp connection.

There is an additional change which involves either preventing a service from starting or deleting the dll which some people seem to think makes the connection work more reliably. It is a placebo, but if it makes you happy go for it.

I suppose if your device did not have a profile named PAM it would fail out of the box. If so, make a new profile that is a copy of sprint, named PAM.

This is not magic or rocket science or deep leet haxxor skils. This is just out of the box functionality of Windows Mobile.

Again, if you believe editing the registry without installing any additional software is cracking or a keygen, then you're totally nuts.

TOS violation, yes. Warez, no.

so in the eyes of all developers that offer software for a fee, its ok to add a reg edit into their copyrighten software so u can gain access to its full potential?? cool give me a reg edit for sktool or wmwifi(well in this case i already have it).. those are copyrighten as well but provide at a minumim, just like ics, a taste of what u can really do, IF YOU PAY.. so im not cracking their softwware, i merely getting more out of what they already give me for free.. isnt that what were doing with ICS, it has limits.. and we frce our way around those limits to get proper service ffrom the software

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by crazychef

ahh but carriers, aside from telus(if u goto that link) actually here :You will not use the service for: multi-media streaming; voice over Internet protocol; or any other application which uses excessive network

i can totally set up a cell phone to only have a pam plan and not a voice,text, or regular data plan.. also, havent u read the posts where people are talking about their sprint service being cancelled, yet wmwifi provides them access to tether still... what "exsisting connection" is he usuing for that to happen.. PAM is independent..

and 2nd highlight...umm thats skype right? so TELUS does take a stand on that particular issue... so thats not a legal alterative so to speak..

Im speaking in your defense ironically, if you are a Telus/Canadian user then you are SOL from the door.
As for WMWifi zombifying service, I'll believe that when I see it.

Im hoping you now know your egal footing.
If anything, sleep better at night knowing WMWifi isnt illegal and the extent of your rights with Windows Mobile.

If you still feel guilty, pay for PAM or be like me and use use a U727 usb air card.

Seriously I hope I helped you understand this better.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

wow, you really are gonna go after roms next, arent you?

and ms doesnt care if you edit the registry, editing base code on the other hand they frown upon.

Also i remember reading the gave juicy crap bc he was using code that wasnt released yet, as wm 6.5

dude, just go away or something... you know roms arent the issue, you guys wanna argue that point, make a thread about it.. im not interested in em one bit, someone else brought it up, you origannly i believe, so i asked if your not doing anything wrng whys it have to be erased.. and someone said warranty issues.. thats a whole different thing... although they dont know their ROM didnt in fact break the phone, so why cant they goto their carrier admit what they did and pay full price for a replacement, instead of hard resetting and acting like it just ent to hell all on its own?? and yes im well aware things do go wrong that have absolutly nothing to do with rom flashing.. but maybe a little more honesty wouldnt have just put a cap at 3 asurion exchanges in a 12 months period...

again, i dont care about roms... theres no way to pay for it.. but there are plenty of ways to pay for your phone to tether to a laptop/pc though our carriers..

[DarkLord]

Originally Posted by crazychef

can u post keygens, cracks,serials, or posting anything about getting paid software for free??? your not actually providing the cracked software, just the means to do so.. so im guessing the laws that apply here, apply in my arument as well.. posting the ICS hack is no differnet than supplyng the means to do so with any other software thats supposed to be paid for..

and have been cabs posted from several members that equates to cracked software for the ICS.

[z28marols1]

using a reg edit or a hack to use copyrighted software without paying for it is against copyright laws. using a hack to get a SERVICE to which you may not be entitled is totally different. not neccessarily more legal, just not illegal to discuss.

we could legally discuss the uses and how to with warez. however distributing the software itself (in a cracked state, not referring to shareware here) or serials/keygens (which circumvent copy protection, violating copyright laws) is not legal.

in escense, we can legally discuss how to obtain illegal software and how to do other illegal things. the discussion is not whats ILLEGAL. the instructions on how to do warez and bypass copyright protection is not ILLEGAL. posting warez themselves or the serials keygens themselves is whats illegal. That said, the site mods and admin can restrict if more if they like as terms of using the site, its their perogative. So if they want to completely ban discussing how to break copyright protection, thats up to them. however they MUST NOT allow postings that break copyright laws. Now, as posting how to use ICS without paying for it does NOT break any laws, there is nothing saying that the site admin/mods have to ban this particual discussion.

Stealing a service does not equal warez. (note there is no arguement about the legality of USING either, thats not the discussion here.)