Sprint Treo 800W: 7/22 + 2 Pics

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

im totally not disagreeing the 700wx is a good product and they did a great job tweaking it to have more ram and such, but its just simply outdated and Palm is NOT exactly known for innovation since the introduction of the treo series.

The Treo 700w series is technically 18 months old (Released Jan 2006).

Saying it's "outdated" is merely stating the obvious.

As for the rest of your post, those are my exact feeling of the 6800! That device was outdated the day it came out, especially with the Kaiser being released in less than 2 months on AT&T.

The 6800 may be a solid device but spec wise, it's pretty weak for mid 2007. Talk about screen and innovation, they couldn't do VGA? 3.2 mp? More ram? Front camera for vid conferencing (esp over RevA)?

So this argument cuts both ways. It all comes down to what you feel comfortable using and enjoy more.

And to be honest, most of this argument has less to do with HTC and Palm and more to do with Sprint and Verizon.

I'm not sure at what point people began to think that YOU are HTC and Palm's customer. You are not. The carriers are their customers; that's who pays their bills and orders the products. So blame should really be put on them.

[Destructor]

I jumped ship from Palm (had a Treo 650 for a bit over 2 years, and two models of the Tungsten prior to that) as the company and their newer phones offered absolutely nothing for me. Palm needs to get a brain and try something else as far as the base device itself goes. Howabout, I don't know, a device with a 320x480 (or the 240x320 standard) screen and a slide keyboard?

Instead, they 'branched' out with the Foleo (doomed to fail just like the Lifedrive was).

So as stated, I left Palm far, far behind, and switched to my Mogul. Fantastic little phone, the slide keyboard is great to work with (can type far faster than I ever could on the Treo), and it offers a lot of features. Yeah, I do miss the base OS's ability to be completely one handed, and it's not as easy to call somebody on the go, but I know I did the right choice in upgrading to the Mogul. Unlike other users, I haven't had to soft reset in days (only did so today due to a program install going a tad whacky).

Palm, unless they do something major soon, is gonna vanish. What advantage they had with their Treo line (which don't get me wrong, was a fantastic device 2 years ago) has vanished, and their competitors have completely overtaken them.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

on that note palm really needs to step it up then theyre REALLY behind the 2007 times then currently

Speaking of...

Ovet at TC, 2 Sprint employees have confirmed that the Treo 800w is already in the Sprint SKU system with a release date slated for 8/30...

Now that raises all sorts of interesting questions:

(1) The qualcomm chip ban?
(2) No FCC documentation yet?
(3) No leaked tester images?

So while this may be the case, it remains to be seen if it will follow through.

OTOH, I suspect the release date is coming much sooner than later.

[itsastckup]

hmm..same date Verizon had on their release sheet. Yall, I hate to say it but this 800w is not going to be what we would think of in terms of 700w to 800w. I believe this is going to be something else.

The device we are waiting on will not come out until Rev A. is operational out the box.

The only reason the Mogul came out when it did was because of the enourmous outcry that Sprint recieved from its customers demanding this phone be released. Sprint had all intentions of holding back until Rev A was fully implemented.

That small white Palm device that we've been seeing pictures of is what I believe will come first.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by itsastckup

hmm..same date Verizon had on their release sheet. Yall, I hate to say it but this 800w is not going to be what we would think of in terms of 700w to 800w. I believe this is going to be something else.

The device we are waiting on will not come out until Rev A. is operational out the box.

The only reason the Mogul came out when it did was because of the enourmous outcry that Sprint recieved from its customers demanding this phone be released. Sprint had all intentions of holding back until Rev A was fully implemented.

That small white Palm device that we've been seeing pictures of is what I believe will come first.

Well, the Rev A launch is right around the corner. No reason why the cannot release a device now or in a month or two.

Remember: the 6700 came out early Sept 2005 (late August for business clients, like myself). EvDO was just being rolled out (it started to be turned on just 8 weeks earlier) with coverage not reaching completion for another 16 months. (This also puts a whole in your theory about the Mogul being released due to "outctry". The 6700 was nearly 2 years old, so it was bound to be upgraded. When has Sprint ever responded to customer complaints about devices?)

And I disagree about the "white" Treo WM Standard edition. The only photo we've seen for that is on Vodaphone's network.

Also, Palm always considers "100" leaps to be significant changes to the device where as the middle numbers (50's) are mid-upgrades e.g. 600 --> 650 --> 700P for POS. For WM 700w/x --> 750 (minor upgrade). An 800-series will definitely be a major-revision to the hardware, otherwise it would have been a 755w or 760w, etc.

This picture, otoh, is from internal Sprint documents on their upcoming lineup i.e. this device, or something very near it is the next Sprint Treo. It is clearly, imo, running WM Professional, not Standard (on screen plugins).

Picture from Sprint internal

[hwnstyle21]

The new Treo kinda looks like the HTC IRIS. Hopefully it does have better specs.

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...hones+%21.html

[itsastckup]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

Well, the Rev A launch is right around the corner. No reason why the cannot release a device now or in a month or two.

Remember: the 6700 came out early Sept 2005 (late August for business clients, like myself). EvDO was just being rolled out (it started to be turned on just 8 weeks earlier) with coverage not reaching completion for another 16 months. (This also puts a whole in your theory about the Mogul being released due to "outctry". The 6700 was nearly 2 years old, so it was bound to be upgraded. When has Sprint ever responded to customer complaints about devices?)

And I disagree about the "white" Treo WM Standard edition. The only photo we've seen for that is on Vodaphone's network.

Also, Palm always considers "100" leaps to be significant changes to the device where as the middle numbers (50's) are mid-upgrades e.g. 600 --> 650 --> 700P for POS. For WM 700w/x --> 750 (minor upgrade). An 800-series will definitely be a major-revision to the hardware, otherwise it would have been a 755w or 760w, etc.

This picture, otoh, is from internal Sprint documents on their upcoming lineup i.e. this device, or something very near it is the next Sprint Treo. It is clearly, imo, running WM Professional, not Standard (on screen plugins).

Picture from Sprint internal

Why would they release the 800 device now and then do a firmware upgrade 2-3 months later, when it can be rev a ready out the box by then. Doesnt make sense Malatesta. The overhead costs would prohibit any carrier from doing this, UNLESS they felt they absolutely HAD to. Now, why would they feel they absolutely HAD to? Lets see...the release of the IPhone, every carrier felt the heat with the release looming over their heads. The mere mention of IPhone to customer service would spur them into panic. That panic started from the top, not the bottom. Public outcry for the next big thing which was the 6800. The original date was in October if I remember correctly to aline itself with EVDO Rev A.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by itsastckup

Why would they release the 800 device now and then do a firmware upgrade 2-3 months later, when it can be rev a ready out the box by then. Doesnt make sense Malatesta. The overhead costs would prohibit any carrier from doing this, UNLESS they felt they absolutely HAD to. Now, why would they feel they absolutely HAD to? Lets see...the release of the IPhone, every carrier felt the heat with the release looming over their heads. The mere mention of IPhone to customer service would spur them into panic. That panic started from the top, not the bottom. Public outcry for the next big thing which was the 6800. The original date was in October if I remember correctly to aline itself with EVDO Rev A.

No offense , but you need to do some homework first.

(1) Who said it won't launch w/EvDO RevA out of the box? Only you.

(2) Sprint launched EvDO Rev A on 10/24/06. It's not new!

(3) As of 6/07 "Sprint reaches more than 10,000 cities and 900 airports with EV-DO Rev. A technology."

(4) The 6800 didn't launch with RevA not b/c Sprint is "waiting" but b/c the 6800 update is not ready! Verizon completed their RevA update on 6/30/07 and their 6800 also won't launch with RevA either as of 8/01, why do you think that is? HTC dropped the ball on RevA, not Sprint or Verizon.

And you are wrong about the date of the 6800, which was sited as early as October 2006. Telus launched the 6800 back in March and the Sprint version was to launch in May but was reported to have been DELAYED till the Fall but that was incorrect as they resolved issues with flashing the devices with WM6. So blame HTC for the RevA not Sprint. They are not "sitting" on the firmware update, HTC does not have it ready yet.

As far as costs and updating, might I remind you that the Sprint Motorola Q has been out since January and just got it's SECOND firmware update in nearly 8 months?

Here is the source for the "Palm Gryphon" which is slated for 8/20 and on 8/30.

Now there is confusion as if this is the 690 or the 800w but I have not heard that Sprint is getting the 690 (Standard smarphone) only the 800w (Professional). Coincidently, Verizon had the Palm 800w listed for the same date on its internal documents as well, which is why I think it's the 800, not the lesser version.

[mpancari]

I CANT WAIT UNTILL THIS PHONE COMES OUT! HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE REALESED BEFORE THE 30 DAYS FOR MY CRAPPY MOGUL IS UP SO I CAN RETURN IT FOR GOOD! I LIKE BUT MOSTLY DISLIKE THE MOGUL FOR MANY REASONS, THE NUMBER ONE REASON BEING THAT IT ISNT SUITED FOR PPL ON THE GO OR ANYBODY WHO DRIVES AND NEEDS TO PICK UP A CALL ON A PHONE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN BECAUSE IT ALWAYS FREEZES AND LAGS!!!!!!!!!


THIS PHONE COULD POTENTIALLY BE PERFECT IF IT IS AS THIN AS THE MOTO Q AND BE TOUCHSCREEN AND COME IN COLORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[havieri23]

Had both the 700wx and mogul. I switched to the mogul because i felt a few things was missing with the 700wx, but i can't sliding my keyboard out just to type a small sms.just have annoy little quirks with it for a newer 2007 phone, that i'll probably switch back to palm