Too many roms!

[edub186]

I can not believe the complaining in this thread. You should be happy people are taking the time to develop roms. I could have sworn you had to crawl before you walk, Juicy and Mighty Mike didn't just wake up and make an hell of a rom, so what's wrong with this new breed of guys that want to make roms? The more the better. In fact I'm loving the energy roms.

Secondly, if you wanted to know which rom is best for you there is this cool video site called YouTube!!!! That has plenty reviews of different roms. I think Dash have videos of almost every rom reviewing them. And if you can't take dash word I don't know what to say to you maybee you should take your time and try out every rom.

To all the new rom creators don't let this discourage you. Do you.
Ps. This thread is stupid.

~1~

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by amw1972

that's my point...some folks use kitchens created by others here and put their own "spin" on things...and build a ROM calling it their own. Most say thanks to those folks...and can be seen on their page one.

I wasn't naming anyone in particular...only a trend that I saw. Hope you didn't take my post as a flame job. Cuz thanks to you I have mms working on my TP2

i dont think your flaming.. i use my own kitchen tho lol nun special

[Malatesta]

lol, no doubt this place can get confusing...

Trying out different ROMs is fun and all but honestly, there is more to making a good kitchen than a good ROM.

I'm using what is easily the best ROM right now. It's fast, has all I want, is stable and does what I need it to: That ROM is one I threw together.

No one's ROM that I have tried here comes close to what I have, because this is what I want. And really, 90% of people enjoying someone else's custom ROM is them just liking the way it looks, has the stuff they want, etc. It's like movie reviews.

With the advent of a visual kitchen (e.g. SSK or Calkulin's for TP2) there is no reason for people to necessarily try all these ROMs. The ROM chefs aren't really doing any magic--it simply comes down to having the right "ingredients" in your kitchen. You have those and anyone can throw a solid ROM together in minutes. Speed? You want to make things fast, read my guide. A lot of that stuff (plus some others I didn't detail) is all you need. Changing cache, ripping out bloat, compress some .exe's, changing the .xip, getting a good PagePool...that's all there is too it.

And it's easy. I didn't even read the directions on SSK's ROM and had a nice one in 20 mins. Calkulin's is more advanced but it too is a no-brainer.

Just saying the gap between Chef and End-user/flasher is very narrow these days. Once you grab the latest WM source files, you too can be running the latest OS.

Some chef's do stand out for their custom graphics, or quick fixes and that's to be commended. But after one week, I'm pretty much done with using other people's ROMs and just pay attention to using a kitchen and (with baby steps) going further into understanding how it all works.

Everyone should do themselves a favor and just download a kitchen and spend 30 minutes looking over it. It's like an Ã* la carte menu--just pick and choose. Cut out the middle man, you'll be a lot happier.

And "donate" to yourself when you're done.

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

lol, no doubt this place can get confusing...

Trying out different ROMs is fun and all but honestly, there is more to making a good kitchen than a good ROM.

I'm using what is easily the best ROM right now. It's fast, has all I want, is stable and does what I need it to: That ROM is one I threw together.

No one's ROM that I have tried here comes close to what I have, because this is what I want. And really, 90% of people enjoying someone else's custom ROM is them just liking the way it looks, has the stuff they want, etc. It's like movie reviews.

With the advent of a visual kitchen (e.g. SSK or Calkulin's for TP2) there is no reason for people to necessarily try all these ROMs. The ROM chefs aren't really doing any magic--it simply comes down to having the right "ingredients" in your kitchen. You have those and anyone can throw a solid ROM together in minutes.

And it's easy. I didn't even read the directions on SSK's ROM and had a nice one in 20 mins. Calkulin's is more advanced but it too is a no-brainer.

Just saying the gap between Chef and End-user/flasher is very narrow these days. Once you grab the latest WM source files, you too can be running the latest OS.

Some chef's do stand out for their custom graphics, or quick fixes and that's to be commended. But after one week, I'm pretty much done with using other people's ROMs and just pay attention to using a kitchen and (with baby steps) going further into understanding how it all works.

Everyone should do themselves a favor and just download a kitchen and spend 30 minutes looking over it. It's like an Ã* la carte menu--just pick and choose. Cut out the middle man, you'll be a lot happier. And "tip" yourself when you're done.

Sure using some ones canned kitchen is easy, but if your not that great at it troubleshooting even a single issue can be a nightmare. and then your back to waiting for the kitchen chef to correct this error just like a custom rom. To create your own kitchen from scratch with all the packages you take, allot from other devices they may not have been designed for takes a fair bit of skill. its not just extract rom - drop in packages - click cook.

There are registry entries that need to be fixed, things that have to be stripped out. Clean up and an initflashes.dat to manipulate. A single error in the initflashes can cause mass failure in a rom. A single typo in a provxml you edited for the device is a show stopper for the whole routine it executes.

Then there is cleaning out the crapola from the operators that can be tedious, (especially since we found that Telus and VZW now get sneaky with tethering tracking) and leaving in only the essentials. Otherwise you break stuff like sprint tv which i might add was a pain to get going

Then, and only then you might get something usable, that is until you drop in that new leo package and find out that it depends on half the leo EXT then you put it in and find out u break just about half your rom easy. a few hundred small changes here some hex editing, resigning, massive file, directory and registry comparison and dll and exe dependencies tracking and there and you back in business.... for now, untill then ext thing u want to throw in lol.

so i agree with some of what you said. you have to agree there is a huge difference between what allot of chefs and kitchen cooks do here and the average user who grabs a canned kitchen and clicks a few buttons.

[Malatesta]

@Juggalo_X

Very true. Which is why I think people who make their own kitchens and really do the nitty gritty work deserve more of the credit. Or when they find new tools at XDA to make it easier to flash, import things, or provision--that's the creative aspect.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the chef's and what they do--and a lot do bring something new or unique to the table, but still in the end, nothing beats doing it yourself.

[popularbelief420]

also smh @ this thread.
+1 for DASH
+1 for IVWONKA

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

but still in the end, nothing beats doing it yourself.

that i can agree.... whats the old saying? Want it done right, do it your self lol

[dishe]

Right on, Malatesta.
Not exactly the topic, but good input and perspective. Many of these ROMs can be built by average users- btw, FANTASTIC write up on speed tweaks there, not sure how I missed that before. Looks like you went the distance researching... too bad YOU'RE not part of chef scene.

Back to my point (if anyone could argue that there even is one anymore), I just would prefer to see people be mature and responsible about what they post here. Not for me, but for the sake of this forum and the people who come here looking for information.

Those of you who are enjoying the current ROM scene and see this post as senseless whining- this thread is not for you. You're not the people who are being effected by this. This is for people who are trying countless praised roms, and following senseless threads and wondering why things sometimes seem to suck if everyone likes them so much. This is for people who are too afraid to say that perhaps there are too many roms.
The Kitchen approach is a good one, I've always been a fan myself, but more importantly, I'm a fan of organized efforts.
That is, when you divide a community across many projects, you get less support for each one.

If instead of going off and trying to prove something with their OWN rom, they collaborated with another chef and worked together on various versions of the same ROM, that would be another story completely. But that's not what is happening. Its like a freaking popularity contest.

[dishe]

BTW, for a total newbie- the best thing would be a simplified and clean ROM, with not added "surprise" features.... no fancy apps and customizations cooked in, etc... then give them an autoinstall script with cabs and reg tweaks, which can be changed/modified/added to before or even after flashing. Solves a lot of the problems of attacking a kitchen head on yourself.

To be perfectly honest, I'm starting to wonder if its better to install via cab instead of cooking things in at all... when you find out something you cooked doesn't play nicely with another app, you have to start over and reflash. If you install via cab, you can uninstall the cab, or worst case scenario hard reset. I'm starting to wonder why we're all so gaga about things "cooked in" in the first place... But, that's just my opinion.

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by dishe

BTW, for a total newbie- the best thing would be a simplified and clean ROM, with not added "surprise" features.... no fancy apps and customizations cooked in, etc... then give them an autoinstall script with cabs and reg tweaks, which can be changed/modified/added to before or even after flashing. Solves a lot of the problems of attacking a kitchen head on yourself.

To be perfectly honest, I'm starting to wonder if its better to install via cab instead of cooking things in at all... when you find out something you cooked doesn't play nicely with another app, you have to start over and reflash. If you install via cab, you can uninstall the cab, or worst case scenario hard reset. I'm starting to wonder why we're all so gaga about things "cooked in" in the first place... But, that's just my opinion.

i cook in to annoy you hehehe