Too many roms!

[chazybaz13]

if you dont want to flash a rom then dont, dont diss others who are trying to carry the legacy of cooking to a new generation.

[dishe]

Originally Posted by redd214

i agree with some of your points dishe. some of the rom threads are moving VERY quickly and sometimes it can be hard to keep up. there are really only like 15 or so rom right now and thats really not a lot. check out the tp1 forum or the rhodium forum on xda, now thats what you call too many roms! it seems like your issue is not as much with the amount of roms but rather the useless banter ('BEST ROM EVER..." etc) that goes on in the threads making them more difficult to find real info. is that correct?

Yes- I suppose my wording (and thread title) are misleading... The issues I'm complaining about are not as much about the sheer number of ROMs, but mostly about the maturity of the members posting on the forum. However, my opinion is that many of these ROMs are a result of that same mentality.
If every ROM is a good ROM, and actually has something to bring to the table, I'm all for a variety of something special. And if you can't find something that works for you, there's always the option of a Kitchen (I recognize that "easy" kitchens are not widely available yet for this device, but give it some time. Plus there are tools if you're willing to get your feet wet, same way as most of these chefs)- Then you can make it yourself to suit YOU. But when there is a plethora of heavily customized ROMs for a niche user group... well, if I hadn't been around WM long enough to love it, I'd try a few ROMs, find all sorts of "surprises" that have replaced features I'm used to, get frustrated and pack up and call WM a lost cause.

The purpose in starting this thread, if any, was to hopefully catch the eye of someone who feels this way, and tell them that perhaps they are justified. DON'T GIVE UP ON WM JUST BECAUSE SOME CHEFS DIDN'T FINISH TWEAKING THEIR ROMS! You CAN have a totally rock-solid WM experience, I've proved it to people!
However, if we all followed what is popular, most of us would have been convinced that the iPhone is the greatest device in the history of mankind. I mean, how could THAT much market share be wrong?!
Clearly we all need to sift through and form our own opinions. Just following a thread that has a lot of reviews and positive feedback (from users you've never seen before, especially) doesn't mean that its actually a good ROM.

Originally Posted by jmorton10

What really annoys the hell out of me is all the useless posts in every ROM thread.

I had flashed Juicy's R2 yesterday morning & had one single problem I wanted to get opinions on. The problem was, right about then Juicy announced that R3 was available so instead of getting a respomse to my question there where about 14 pages of post from morons that say absolutely nothing more than "this is cool, I'm downloading now!!"

Then the next three pages of posts say "yea, me too".........

When I went back to see if anybody had answered my question (nobody had) it was buried 10 pages back behind cr@p like this........

~John

Yes. Which comes back to my original point: People need to post responsibly, and not share every random neural firing or kitchen combination possible.

Originally Posted by madcowmilau

I remember that, when there were only like 2

Not exactly, MadCow. There were dozens of Roms, but they were built off of 2 or 3 major ROMs. No2Chem was famous for building rock solid rom bases with not much in them. If you wanted to customize your own ROM, his was the one to use. If you wanted to load up a ROM full of features, you'd take No2Chem's and kitchenize it and release as a NueRom-based-feature rom. If you didn't like something, you could always go back no2chem's base and start over yourself.

The current scene, I'm sorry, feels like an awful mess. Options are good, I agree. But at some point it becomes counter-productive... And the comment-diarrhea syndrome (OMG BEST ROM EVER!) is making it hard to tell good from bad.

Originally Posted by Juggalo_X

you struck my nerve lol imma beat you boy if u post in the wrong section again hehehe


IRC FTW!

LOL- sorry Jugg... maybe my choice of wording wasn't appropriate (I do respect the time and effort that chefs are putting into their projects), but I feel like N00bs should see this so that they understand what they are getting into and don't get burned right away. Hence the upgrades section, since most head straight there.

I guess I could have written it better, but I something like this should be required viewing for any fresh blood on the site, IMO.

Originally Posted by ⌥ saumaun ☢

I will admit, I really do agree with most of your post. There are LOTS of ROMs and it can get confusing on which ones are the best.

But you gotta remember... We have LOTS of options here. Don't you think that's better than limited options? Some phones don't even have a custom ROM available!

By the way - I moved this to the upgrade forum.

Thanks, Saumaun. Looks like it didn't last... I understand this isn't exactly the sort of thread that belongs in the upgrade section traditionally, but I think people should see it. Nominate for sticky?

[dishe]

Originally Posted by chazybaz13

if you dont want to flash a rom then dont, dont diss others who are trying to carry the legacy of cooking to a new generation.

Ok- I will admit that I wrote this at the end of a long day and wasn't thinking clearly when I chose the topic title and wording. But if that's the feeling you are walking away from in this, then the point is being missed.

I mean no disrespect to the current breed of people putting their names and reputations on the line with their new ROMs. Its just nearly impossible to determine the real innovators from the yokel who just figured out how to use a kitchen, since some narrow minded newbies praise everything that comes out and seem to drown out useful information for every rom.

I've built dozens of ROMs for myself, putting in the things I think are most important, but I recognize that there is nothing innovative to share with the world so I don't go starting a <{(DIIISHE ROM)}>, despite how bad@$$ my name looks in ASCII art.
I still feel that deters from the useful nature of a forum.

Again, I can't say this enough- I'm not trying to discourage people from posting their findings and new ideas- I'm just saying be MATURE and RESPONSIBLE.

Ideally, the only real solution to this problem would be to have a ROMs review by trusted users (not just a free-for-all praising every rom) and going over the pros and cons of each.
But, the question is finding someone who is thorough, unbiased, knowledgeable, and has the time to do this... Not going to happen, IMO.

[Mr. X]

lol Saumaun. i moved it back.... dont crud up my forums kthxbai

[[sammich]]

Originally Posted by Juggalo_X

lol Saumaun. i moved it back.... dont crud up my forums kthxbai

Um. What? I moved it to Upgrades, rstoyguy moved it back, and you're moving it back to upgrades?

I are teh confuzored

[Mr. X]

No u moved it to upgrades and i moved it out last night

then went on IRC and told Diiishe i was going to smack him... but i should smack you hehe

[SolApathy]

I love the variety. The only thing I would like changed is all the ascii garbage & the "coming soon" posts. If you have a ROM, Name it, place the information in the title & post it. I don't need you sticking Christmas lights on it, wrapping it in colored cellophane, dousing it with hairspray, and proceeding to light it on fire (TP1 ROM forums). I generally tend to stay away from those ROMS.


If you have a ROM you plan on releasing in he next 6 months, I don't see a reason to create a thread about it. Perhaps a day or 2 in advance to get the Idea out there, but there are too many "Coming soon!!!!" threads that never amount to anything other than placeholders for black holes.


I love this community & the cooks here are awesome. There is something for just about everyone. If you don't like sorting through all the stuff there are tutorials on how to complete your own personalized ROM (which is awesome) so you never have to visit the ROM forum to figure out what is best...


Now in reference to the first post I suppose I must say....

I use Energy &-

"OMFG, THIS IS THE BEST ROM EVER AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I EVAR USED N-E-THING ELSE!"

[RicoRich196]

Ooh........MOD FIIIIGGGGHHHHHTT!!!!!!! lol but seriously too many Roms and not enough developing going into these things. I mean I could slap a few things in a kitchen, add a custom startup/ wallpaper, manila 2.1 and call it "RR196 Ultra grenade decepticon M16 007 Michael Bay *explosions* rom" hmm actually on 2nd thought maybe I should. What do you guys think?

[dishe]

LOL- good one, SolApathy. Well said.

And Ricoh, I would download your ROM and post how much I love it before I even tried it.

[wodurrah]

Perhaps PPC geeks or posters could post new roms and rom updates more clearly and with pictures so I dont have to look into each post to see which rom I will use