Data Plan Required

[Mojary]

first of all...talk abt hacking esn is a no no on this forum. your talk abt that at your own private risk. private being the underlying word.

second...i dont know what the argument is all about. if you dont want the data plan, then dont pine for the latest and greatest device being released. if you do pine for it just because you want wifi, buy a dumbphone to get just a regular voice plan and buy the tp2 off ebay and not activate to use the wifi. that way youll be saving $750 every 2yrs and i woulndt be called a thief. it doesnt take a software engineer to come up with this idea. dont dump your life peeves on me and tell me im stealing from you because i choose to pay for the plan that includes data. and im sorry for the things going on at home...but lets not use that as an excuse on why you should be special and be the exception to the rule. and please, spare me the response to go back and read all your posts. because ultimately, i realized that you just want to blame everyone else because you failed to do your own research before getting a tp2. because before i upgraded, i already knew what to expect. and even if i didnt, i wouldnt go blaming everyone who isnt on your side.

and for the rest of you on this thread...you know id like to get thanked too just because i posted a response....lol

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by ajac

yup go to sprint thier win mobile phones as of right now dont require data plans and sprint seems content on keeping it that way.. but once win mobile 7 out who knows..

I think the discussion is about smartphones in general and sprint does require data on palm and android. For sure wp7 will be the exact same way. Even blackberries have their own special plans.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Mojary

first of all...talk abt hacking esn is a no no on this forum. your talk abt that at your own private risk. private being the underlying word.

second...i dont know what the argument is all about. if you dont want the data plan, then dont pine for the latest and greatest device being released. if you do pine for it just because you want wifi, buy a dumbphone to get just a regular voice plan and buy full the tp2 off ebay and not activate it to use the wifi. that way youll be saving $750 every 2yrs and i woulndt be called a thief. it doesnt take a software engineer to come up with this idea. dont dump your life peeves on me and tell me im stealing from you because i choose to pay for the plan that includes data. and im sorry for the things going on at home...but lets not use that as an excuse on why you should be special and be the exception to the rule. and please, spare me the response to go back and read all your posts. because ultimately, i realized that you just want to blame everyone else because you failed to do your own research before getting a tp2. because before i upgraded, i already knew what to expect. and even if i didnt, i woulndt go blaming everyone who isnt on your side.

and for the rest of you on this thread...you know id like to get thanked too just because i posted a response....lol

First of all I don't think anyone including myself is saying this should or should not be done just for me based upon our own singular hardship situations and I hardly took that anyone is dumping their life’s peeves on anyone, including sprintgirl. At least was the way I read it from her.

An then in general, if you do read my posts, I think it would be hard to think that I am not speaking from long postings of those who support what I have written as I didn’t just pull all this knowledge out of a hat. So I hardly think this is just a make up of few people out there with just a few peeves but more a really hard core issue of right and wrong that can an will effect us all at this all proceeds on over the coming years and as such is extremely relevant to many so I don't think this really qualifies as a peeve.

But anyway to get back to the point.

The point here is whether we who do not want a data plan should be force to get one anyway, and or be excluded from getting what ever device we want just because we don’t want one, which we shouldn’t.

We have just as much of a right to buy the same devices as anyone else and use it how we see fit and make the choice to pay for what services they can utilize that we choose to use it for and not pay for those we don’t.

As I’ve always said, if you want to pay money for a data plan, then all the more power to you but to force those who do not need that to pay for it when again, if you have read all my post it is completely possible to understand that this can be done, all except for the shear greed of others, that this is wrong.

[Mojary]

to the people who gave thanks...thank you. BUT PLEASE TAKE YOUR THANKS BACK. was just kidding regarding that. dont want you thanking me because i asked/demanded for it. but yeah...thanks for the love though.

on to the discussion at hand. nobody is saying that only certain people can have a particular device. but if you feel you shouldnt have to be forced to pay for data plan, there is a way around it. like i said, you can stick to your current phone that doesnt need the data plan and get on ebay or the bargain trader thread to buy just the phone itslef. that way, you can use just the wifi on the phone and not worry about thiss

when i upgraded to tp2, i also felt the same as you. but after i took my device home, i was glad that i took the everything data plan. do i have wifi around me? of course i do. but when im in a car going around town or going out of town (which is just abt every weekend), i pass the time surfing the web on my phone. and wifi is basically out of the question and non-existent when in a car driving around...unless i pay for the mifi. and because the thread is also about saving $$$...thats a hell no on that idea. now i could be just like you and just keep waking up everyday with this complaint, but unfortunately i am ok with paying because i do get heavy usage of the data plan. i see the benefit i get from it...even if we say it goes to sprint's pocket books.

and just to clear it up...when i say im in the car, im actually the passenger...lol.

[p-slim]

And by the way you can buy the phone and do whatever you want with it, just not on their network. You can buy the phone full price and use it on a wifi network. But if YOU WANT Verizon and you have a smartphone then you need to have a data plan.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by pts69666

I don't know if this has been said for I have only read a few pages, but you could clone the ESN of a non-smartphone device into the Touch Pro 2 and then use that ESN and make sure to turn off data on the connection manager. Other than that, you would be set. Just don't ever turn on the phone you took the ESN from while the Touch Pro 2 is on. You will get caught pretty fast if that were to happen...

That is against federal law of the united states. The law of course does not seem to cover actually swapping them aka device A has esn of B and device B has esn of A(not to be confused with cloning) but many state laws prohibit tampering with devices unless you are the manufacturer.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Mojary

on to the discussion at hand. nobody is saying that only certain people can have a particular device. but if you feel you shouldnt have to be forced to pay for data plan, there is a way around it. like i said, you can stick to your current phone that doesnt need the data plan and get on ebay or the bargain trader thread to buy just the phone itslef. that way, you can use just the wifi on the phone and not worry about thiss

Thanks for some level of understanding Mojary but just to re-point this out that indeed this is just about as clear a case as can be made that we are being told what devices we can have an what devices we can not.

For instance just as with me, almost of the posts I have read have started like this one, where someone who has been on Verizon for a long time an doesn’t know anything to the degree that we know, has qualified for a 2 new every year and wants to stay with them as a carrier as again they don’t understand this all and by the by, many currently even have a device much as you mention already but realize the now need something more except for data goes to try to do that just the same as those that do need data but finds that when they want to take the advantage of all they were promised and all that is being offered such as being able to stay with their carrier and get the device for what they should be able to get it for cannot unless the fork over that $750.00 for something they don’t need.

So then as a result if they don’t want to do that are to some degree just as equally penalized in any number of other ways by having to deal with all the losses such as you suggested

In either way there is always a higher cost no matter how they go about it that they shouldn’t have to encur as this is not what they had been promised or that should be getting done to them.

Simply put this, the no one it holding a gun to head is so wrong as this is like saying, I want or need to buy this device and they say, OK but to get it I have to shoot in the hand or you can go to someone else and they will shoot you in the foot but don’t sit here an blame me or bitch about getting shot in either as that was your choice.

Well my choice is that I’m arguing that I shouldn’t be able to get the device without getting shot at all as that is what I was supposed to be able to do and an besides, well I think shooting people is wrong no matter where or who does it.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Thanks for some level of understanding Mojary but just to re-point this out that indeed this is just about as clear a case as can be made that we are being told what devices we can have an what devices we can not.

For instance just as with me, almost of the posts I have read have started like this one, where someone who has been on Verizon for a long time an doesn’t know anything to the degree that we know, has qualified for a 2 new every year and wants to stay with them as a carrier as again they don’t understand this all and by the by, many currently even have a device much as you mention already but realize the now need something more except for data goes to try to do that just the same as those that do need data but finds that when they want to take the advantage of all they were promised and all that is being offered such as being able to stay with their carrier and get the device for what they should be able to get it for cannot unless the fork over that $750.00 for something they don’t need.

So then as a result if they don’t want to do that are to some degree just as equally penalized in any number of other ways by having to deal with all the losses such as you suggested

In either way there is always a higher cost no matter how they go about it that they shouldn’t have to encur as this is not what they had been promised or that should be getting done to them.

Simply put this, the no one it holding a gun to head is so wrong as this is like saying, I want or need to buy this device and they say, OK but to get it I have to shoot in the hand or you can go to someone else and they will shoot you in the foot but don’t sit here an blame me or bitch about getting shot in either as that was your choice.

Well my choice is that I’m arguing that I shouldn’t be able to get the device without getting shot at all as that is what I was supposed to be able to do and an besides, well I think shooting people is wrong no matter where or who does it.

You're only thinking one sided, its like you want to have your cake and eat it too. Nobody is going to shoot you in the hand. By the phone and do what you want with it. Now if you want to use it on THEIR network then of course you have to deal with THEIR stipulations. What is so hard to grasp about that? Obviously their is something that makes you consider them over the rest, whatever it is they have right to recoupe as they see fit as you have the right to go elsewhere.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Thanks for some level of understanding Mojary but just to re-point this out that indeed this is just about as clear a case as can be made that we are being told what devices we can have an what devices we can not.

For instance just as with me, almost of the posts I have read have started like this one, where someone who has been on Verizon for a long time an doesn’t know anything to the degree that we know, has qualified for a 2 new every year and wants to stay with them as a carrier as again they don’t understand this all and by the by, many currently even have a device much as you mention already but realize the now need something more except for data goes to try to do that just the same as those that do need data but finds that when they want to take the advantage of all they were promised and all that is being offered such as being able to stay with their carrier and get the device for what they should be able to get it for cannot unless the fork over that $750.00 for something they don’t need.

So then as a result if they don’t want to do that are to some degree just as equally penalized in any number of other ways by having to deal with all the losses such as you suggested

In either way there is always a higher cost no matter how they go about it that they shouldn’t have to encur as this is not what they had been promised or that should be getting done to them.

Simply put this, the no one it holding a gun to head is so wrong as this is like saying, I want or need to buy this device and they say, OK but to get it I have to shoot in the hand or you can go to someone else and they will shoot you in the foot but don’t sit here an blame me or bitch about getting shot in either as that was your choice.

Well my choice is that I’m arguing that I shouldn’t be able to get the device without getting shot at all as that is what I was supposed to be able to do and an besides, well I think shooting people is wrong no matter where or who does it.

Also you contradicted yourself because if you only use your phone where there is wifi then you don't NEED a smartphone.

[WBFAir]

As typical you have misread my meanings p and twisted them around to try to support your point that you want this to happen because you feel it right to steal this money from people because it helps you.

btw what you think is contradictions isn't, its just that believe it or not I understand that most people who are reading this are actually intelligent enough to come the proper conclusions of the intent of my posts without me having to spell out every-little-detail.

But sadly as such this also means they typically they can and will be twisted by people like you but that’s not anything I can do anything about nor a concern of mine as I’m sure to others I am coming across correctly.

Or to put it more simply, dealing with the level of psychosis of people like you is just too time consuming and more to the point, pointless, as just as with the people I have mentioned, people like you will always see wrong as right when it benefits you even at the expense of others.