HTC Mogul Sprint ROM - GPS and REV. A New info!

[aughsum]

·GPS – The Mogul currently supports limited Location-Based Services including E-911 Phase II, 411 Driving Directions,AAA Location Services, Sprint Family Locator, Sprint Business Mobility Framework (Idle Mode Queries over the Control Plane), and all other Control Plane LBS features offered by Sprint. Advanced User Plane and Autonomous GPS functionality will be added in the next ROM upgrade. This enhancement will support new applications such as Sprint Navigation which provides turn-by-turn directions similar to an in-vehicle GPS system. More information about Sprint Navigation can be found on the Sprint website at http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gp...vigation.shtml

can someone translate this? will the gps work with google maps or tomtom? if not will there be any hopes of a hack to route gps coordinates to said programs? I really don't want to buy a gps dongle after all this garbage is over.

[canospinach]

Originally Posted by aughsum

·GPS – The Mogul currently supports limited Location-Based Services including E-911 Phase II, 411 Driving Directions,AAA Location Services, Sprint Family Locator, Sprint Business Mobility Framework (Idle Mode Queries over the Control Plane), and all other Control Plane LBS features offered by Sprint. Advanced User Plane and Autonomous GPS functionality will be added in the next ROM upgrade. This enhancement will support new applications such as Sprint Navigation which provides turn-by-turn directions similar to an in-vehicle GPS system. More information about Sprint Navigation can be found on the Sprint website at http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gp...vigation.shtml

can someone translate this? will the gps work with google maps or tomtom? if not will there be any hopes of a hack to route gps coordinates to said programs? I really don't want to buy a gps dongle after all this garbage is over.

That link is dead. Bummer as it might have gone a long way to help some really frustrated users in another thread.

Currently the Mogul/6800 does not support any other form of internal GPS other than e911 location services (and maybe a few internal sprint services).

You would need to utilize an external unit to fully use TomTom.

It has been communicated that we are to expect a ROM upgrade Q1 2008 which will supposedly enable a more moderate useable GPS.

[GoodThings2Life]

So I've read a lot of the posts on this thread, and I can't help but think... Gee, my phone does not behave in the manner described in the complaints.

Yes, it gets warm when the wireless is on and I crank the performance up (so I usually set it in the middle of the power management slider). That is, as canospinach claims, a fact of life with radio-based technology. It does not, however, overheat and shut down. It does not get too hot to hold during a normal phone call. This would very quickly happen to a majority of users and would be a very publicly documented issue if it were a genuine defect.

As I read the people ranting, I can't help but wonder-- what the heck are you doing wrong or not doing at all (and should) that is causing this to happen to you? What do you have installed that could be causing the problem? What configuration changes could be causing it? What environmental issues could be causing it? For example, you say in a warm room it does this. Define "warm room" to me... are we talking 70-degrees Fahrenheit? 80? 100? Why are you using a heat-generating function in an already overheated room?

People, by nature, don't do very good diagnostic work, because most people are in too big a hurry to blame others to figure out what is really wrong. At work, I recently had a user whose wireless adapter would "randomly" shut off on them, and the resulting loss of network connection was locking up their computer while it tried to reconnect to network resources. She would blame it on anything but herself, even though I gave her 2 other computers, 2 other hard drives, a completely re-imaged system, and noone else in the office was having the same problem. I finally traced it back to a function with a PC Card Broadband adapter. She would connect it and use it to get around a ban on MySpace and Facebook, and the card would disable the wireless adapter to prevent network conflicts. When that happened, her computer realized it wasn't on our VPN so it locked up finding the network shares.

Why the long story? Because as I read the rants, I realize that canospinach is right. Everything he is saying can be logically proven and demonstrated, but the claims against are all stated in anger and frustration, and they're not all that accurate. If you have had a number of replacements that are all doing the same symptom, yes, it's POSSIBLE that it's a manufacturing defect, but ONLY until a majority says, "Mine doesn't do that," or when they say, "Mine does that only if I do x stupid action." At that point, it becomes user-error or environmental condition.

Frankly, after reading all the rants, I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing issue. I know that my phone works as designed, which tells me the manufacturing is fine AND my own use of the device is fine. I don't doubt that others are having a positive experience either. We're anxiously awaiting new functionality-- ie. the topic of the thread-- but as long as they meet their goal and deliver an update, there's no reason to complain.

That said, I love the big giant cartoon post pointing out how off topic this thread is at this point. If you are unhappy with Sprint and the Mogul, you have a few sensible courses of action to take-- drop your service or change phones. Sure it might cost you, but what costs more-- a contract penalty or paying for a device that doesn't suit your expectations?

[aughsum]

Originally Posted by canospinach

That link is dead. Bummer as it might have gone a long way to help some really frustrated users in another thread.

Currently the Mogul/6800 does not support any other form of internal GPS other than e911 location services (and maybe a few internal sprint services).

You would need to utilize an external unit to fully use TomTom.

It has been communicated that we are to expect a ROM upgrade Q1 2008 which will supposedly enable a more moderate useable GPS.

yeah that top part is a detailed description of the q1 update you're referring to. it was taken from the post about that washington something something agency reseaching the false adversments and failure to delieve on promisesw made for the mogul. the origin site is on the first page of that thread.

my question was, once we have the q1 update, from that description does it sound like it will be functional gps or locked into telenav? it would probably be my last straw with sprint if we had to wait for someone to come up with a hack to use the gps without paying a monthly fee, like many gsm phones offer.

I just can't bring myself to buy a bluetooth adapter.. its already in the phone, I already paid for it once and shouldn't have to again.

[aughsum]

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life

So I've read a lot of the posts on this thread, and I can't help but think... Gee, my phone does not behave in the manner described in the complaints.

Yes, it gets warm when the wireless is on and I crank the performance up (so I usually set it in the middle of the power management slider). That is, as canospinach claims, a fact of life with radio-based technology. It does not, however, overheat and shut down. It does not get too hot to hold during a normal phone call. This would very quickly happen to a majority of users and would be a very publicly documented issue if it were a genuine defect.

As I read the people ranting, I can't help but wonder-- what the heck are you doing wrong or not doing at all (and should) that is causing this to happen to you? What do you have installed that could be causing the problem? What configuration changes could be causing it? What environmental issues could be causing it? For example, you say in a warm room it does this. Define "warm room" to me... are we talking 70-degrees Fahrenheit? 80? 100? Why are you using a heat-generating function in an already overheated room?

People, by nature, don't do very good diagnostic work, because most people are in too big a hurry to blame others to figure out what is really wrong. At work, I recently had a user whose wireless adapter would "randomly" shut off on them, and the resulting loss of network connection was locking up their computer while it tried to reconnect to network resources. She would blame it on anything but herself, even though I gave her 2 other computers, 2 other hard drives, a completely re-imaged system, and noone else in the office was having the same problem. I finally traced it back to a function with a PC Card Broadband adapter. She would connect it and use it to get around a ban on MySpace and Facebook, and the card would disable the wireless adapter to prevent network conflicts. When that happened, her computer realized it wasn't on our VPN so it locked up finding the network shares.

Why the long story? Because as I read the rants, I realize that canospinach is right. Everything he is saying can be logically proven and demonstrated, but the claims against are all stated in anger and frustration, and they're not all that accurate. If you have had a number of replacements that are all doing the same symptom, yes, it's POSSIBLE that it's a manufacturing defect, but ONLY until a majority says, "Mine doesn't do that," or when they say, "Mine does that only if I do x stupid action." At that point, it becomes user-error or environmental condition.

Frankly, after reading all the rants, I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing issue. I know that my phone works as designed, which tells me the manufacturing is fine AND my own use of the device is fine. I don't doubt that others are having a positive experience either. We're anxiously awaiting new functionality-- ie. the topic of the thread-- but as long as they meet their goal and deliver an update, there's no reason to complain.

That said, I love the big giant cartoon post pointing out how off topic this thread is at this point. If you are unhappy with Sprint and the Mogul, you have a few sensible courses of action to take-- drop your service or change phones. Sure it might cost you, but what costs more-- a contract penalty or paying for a device that doesn't suit your expectations?

oh wow.. you're going to be flamed for this one so ill just go ahead and be the first.

kill yourself. many people claim they don't have problems with the mogul which is completely understandable. this is because people like you do not use the phone in a way that you would notice its shortcomings.

you can claim "I don't have any problems with my picture messages"w but if you don't send picture messages then you're opinion is not valid.
if you go through the forum you can see its not on "our end" as we in IT fields like to say to pass the blame for things were nieve about.

the phone was made for wm5.. they changed the os at the last second and shipped it without the amount of ram it would need to run wm6. you won't notice this if you just make calls on your phone and send the occasional text but when you've got outlook syncing.. good running, browsing the internet or doing whatever at the same time the phone grinds to a halt.
gps was promised.. even was on the boxes of the first devices.. nothing.
phones lock up when switching from analog to digital coverage areas. which can be avoided if you downgrade to 2.09 but then your alarm isn't functional while the phone is charging.
im not going to list everything, go read the forum, reflect on your decision to call people out on something you know absolutely nothing about, and buy an iphone because you obviously have no idea what a "superphone" is suppose to be able to do.

edit: and who ever said anything about overheating? are you in the right forum? you're sure you don't have a razr?

note: hey guys, maybe we should all try being l33t h4ck3r5 and turing down our backlight.. maybe that will fix all our problems?

[GoodThings2Life]

First of all, you don't even know me, so don't pretend to understand how I use my phone. I have no issues with my phone, because a) I pay attention to what the hell I'm doing, b) I find solutions to the few limitations I experience, c) I've spent 18 years in the "IT Field" beating the hell out of any technology that hits my hands. All three are clearly more than you were able to do while reading these posts.

Second, you need to pay more attention to what people are posting. I didn't say it didn't have ANY issues, I said the issues described above didn't match the issues of myself or normal people, and they certainly aren't consistent with a manufacturing issue.

Third, what the hell does memory have to do with the issue being discussed of GPS and/or Wifi overheating? Answer: Nada, Zilch, Zip, Nothing. You don't like the amount of RAM in it? Neither do I, but I use a task manager and problem solved. So why don't you try being helpful instead of part of the problem?

If you're going to flame someone, at least take the time to know who you're flaming, and try to discuss the issue at hand rather than making up new issues just to fake that you have a point, jackass.

Maybe the real problem is that you feel cheated for not having GPS, even though until the latest firmware upgrade, it was NOT a promised feature of the 6800-series with Sprint. If that's the case, you just proved that you don't pay very close attention to details, and you don't research very well. Since you ask, let me spell it out for you about the wireless overheating topic:

pflatlyne wrote:
Ive got one for you. The device overheats when you run the wifi with heavy traffic. All of the phones do it,but many people dont notice becuase they dont run the wifi with alot of trafic. Dont even try to tell me I shouldnt be running alot of trafic over wifi.

Forums are for conversations... do try to keep up. I can tell by your post count that you SHOULDN'T be all that new to the concept.

[bedoig]

Definitely off topic for this thread, but I have to say I haven't had any overheating problems. And I'm definitely putting the device through its paces. I routinely have the device functioning as a wireless hotspot with both the cellular radio and the WiFi radio blasting for hours at a time. Plus I have it charging, plus the screen is on, plus it is sitting in a warm car with the sun beating down on it. Talk about a torture test. Could I do anything else to generat heat, LOL? The handset gets warm of course, but I've never had any overheating issues. Just my $.02.

PS:

Originally Posted by aughsum

kill yourself.

What an idiotic thing to say. Let's remember we're talking about the shortcomings of a cell phone here.

[canospinach]

Originally Posted by aughsum

once we have the q1 update, from that description does it sound like it will be functional gps or locked into telenav?

Thats a great question to which honestly i dont have an answer. Its on my list of things to ask about if i get time.

Washington....blah...blah thread? gosh i think i might have heard of that little old thread - lol

[bakntyme]

FWIW, the Sprint Navigation link is not dead; the post on the previous page in this thread had only part of the URL.

http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gp...vigation.shtml

[canospinach]

Originally Posted by bakntyme

FWIW, the Sprint Navigation link is not dead; the post on the previous page in this thread had only part of the URL.

http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gp...vigation.shtml

Here is what i believe we all are referring to:

Funny thing is, its really grey as it says simply "Uses GPS" without any confirmation or declination of actual services. The link to the navigation page does not clarify the device question either.

EDIT - The list clearly shows the 6700, Treo 600 and 650 as "Uses GPS" yet none of these are in dispute.

http://support.sprint.com/doc/sp1055...revPageIndex=7

I am going to go ahead and post this in the other forum. We will see what happens when I take the time to post what nobody else would.