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Old 01-11-2010, 06:12 PM
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you do realize hspa+ isn't available yet, so more then likely most websites will not be talking about it since no one knows when the release will be. Just like going from evdo to evdo reva, as long as the phone can process the speeds i'm sure no actual radio upgrade is needed. When evdo was available all phones only said evdo, when evdo rev a was available all phones got the upgrade instantly. I'm not positive but only time will tell. No need for us to go back and forth, though i know you want a reason to keep sprint because all other reasons are looking bleak.
Couldn't be further from the truth! Sprint has been nothing but a terrible experience for me, I'm out of contract with them now and my girlfriend is on T-Mobile, they have excellent coverage and service here, I can get a pretty reasonable no-contract plant with them etc, I can't wait to switch to T-Mobile!

All that said, I hope I end up being wrong and that the HD2 supports 21mbps, but I doubt it.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:16 PM
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Couldn't be further from the truth! Sprint has been nothing but a terrible experience for me, I'm out of contract with them now and my girlfriend is on T-Mobile, they have excellent coverage and service here, I can get a pretty reasonable no-contract plant with them etc, I can't wait to switch to T-Mobile!

All that said, I hope I end up being wrong and that the HD2 supports 21mbps, but I doubt it.
i just did a google search for the n900 and all of those searches bring back that the n900 does the exact same as the nexus and hd2 but we know for certain that the n900 does hspa+, so that being said i'm pretty sure nexus and hd2 will do hspa+ as well (especially since the guys who blogged doesn't like to tell lies, he obviously heard it somewhere.) here are 2 searches showing n900 only 3g at 10mbps, but we all saw the test results.

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...specifications

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-2917.php
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Couldn't be further from the truth! Sprint has been nothing but a terrible experience for me, I'm out of contract with them now and my girlfriend is on T-Mobile, they have excellent coverage and service here, I can get a pretty reasonable no-contract plant with them etc, I can't wait to switch to T-Mobile!

All that said, I hope I end up being wrong and that the HD2 supports 21mbps, but I doubt it.
i'm with you, im not mad at them its just that they always have the weakest phones on the market, i really want the hd2 and if it does hpsa+ i'm out for sure.
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Re: Coming to the United States?

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Couldn't be further from the truth! Sprint has been nothing but a terrible experience for me, I'm out of contract with them now and my girlfriend is on T-Mobile, they have excellent coverage and service here, I can get a pretty reasonable no-contract plant with them etc, I can't wait to switch to T-Mobile!

All that said, I hope I end up being wrong and that the HD2 supports 21mbps, but I doubt it.
the7thson i hope your read this carefully. straight from tmobile about backwards compatability with hspa+ networks. HD2 here i come.

http://tinyurl.com/y8t7h44

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Covera...PA/td-p/254526

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the7thson i hope your read this carefully. straight from tmobile about backwards compatability with hspa+ networks. HD2 here i come.

http://tinyurl.com/y8t7h44

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Covera...PA/td-p/254526
Read this carefully: For the HD2 to actually get 21mbps speeds, it needs BOTH HARDWARE SUPPORT AND NETWORK SUPPORT. I don't doubt that the network support with eventually get there, but it still doesn't have the HARDWARE to support it

The talk about the MyTouch etc getting faster only means that they'll be able to max out their 7.2 connection easier than before. It doesn't mean that the phone's hardware will magically upgrade itself from a chip that only supports 7.2 to a different chip that supports 21.
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Read this carefully: For the HD2 to actually get 21mbps speeds, it needs BOTH HARDWARE SUPPORT AND NETWORK SUPPORT. I don't doubt that the network support with eventually get there, but it still doesn't have the HARDWARE to support it

The talk about the MyTouch etc getting faster only means that they'll be able to max out their 7.2 connection easier than before. It doesn't mean that the phone's hardware will magically upgrade itself from a chip that only supports 7.2 to a different chip that supports 21.
that website says its backwards compatible like evdo and evdo rev a. Also the n900 shows the same specs as the hd2 and nexus and the n900 can surf on hspa+ networks, its been done in philly.
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that website says its backwards compatible like evdo and evdo rev a. Also the n900 shows the same specs as the hd2 and nexus and the n900 can surf on hspa+ networks, its been done in philly.
I give up, I don't know how else to explain hardware limitations. The N900 DOES NOT have the same specs as the N1 and the HD2. None of your "facts" have been accurate so far. Check Nokia's official website here: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/

See where it says: " Maximum speed PS 10/2 Mbps (DL/UL)"? That means it's HARDWARE is capable of 10mbps down. The relevant spec for the N1 and HD2 says 7.2mbps down. How is this still not clear to you? Hardware that says 7.2 max will never be able to do 21mbps, end of story.

Let's just wait 2 months and see shall we?
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I give up, I don't know how else to explain hardware limitations. The N900 DOES NOT have the same specs as the N1 and the HD2. None of your "facts" have been accurate so far. Check Nokia's official website here: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/

See where it says: " Maximum speed PS 10/2 Mbps (DL/UL)"? That means it's HARDWARE is capable of 10mbps down. The relevant spec for the N1 and HD2 says 7.2mbps down. How is this still not clear to you? Hardware that says 7.2 max will never be able to do 21mbps, end of story.

Let's just wait 2 months and see shall we?
Dude you keep talking about hardware limitations but tmobile specifically states any 3g phone you bought in 2009 and obviously any phone that hasn't come out yet is backwards compatible with hspa+. Can you not read? quoted directly from tmobile,

"T-Mobile is the first carrier to launch the even faster HSPA+ in the U.S. While other carriers talk about 4G plans and the promise of compatible devices, T-Mobile will speed ahead with HSPA+ deployments across the bulk of its 3G footprint in 2010, delivering 3-5 times the speeds of todayís 3G. And the best thing about the HSPA+ upgrade is that itís backward compatible, so that T-Mobile myTouch 3G or another 3G-enabled device you bought in 2009Öitís getting faster in 2010."

I hope you can understand plain english, those are not the limitations that you see on the website, those are the european limitations. Read this thread again. In plain english its says you will get faster in 2010 on ANY OTHER 3G ENABLED DEVICE PURCHASED IN 2009 OR LATER.

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Covera...PA/td-p/254526
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Dude you keep talking about hardware limitations but tmobile specifically states any 3g phone you bought in 2009 and obviously any phone that hasn't come out yet is backwards compatible with hspa+. Can you not read? quoted directly from tmobile,

"T-Mobile is the first carrier to launch the even faster HSPA+ in the U.S. While other carriers talk about 4G plans and the promise of compatible devices, T-Mobile will speed ahead with HSPA+ deployments across the bulk of its 3G footprint in 2010, delivering 3-5 times the speeds of todayís 3G. And the best thing about the HSPA+ upgrade is that itís backward compatible, so that T-Mobile myTouch 3G or another 3G-enabled device you bought in 2009Öitís getting faster in 2010."

I hope you can understand plain english, those are not the limitations that you see on the website, those are the european limitations. Read this thread again. In plain english its says you will get faster in 2010 on ANY OTHER 3G ENABLED DEVICE PURCHASED IN 2009 OR LATER.

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Covera...PA/td-p/254526
FFS!

Let me explain this "backwards compatibility" to you. Let's say you buy a laptop with a wireless a/b/g adapter and you connect it to your work's wi-fi, which is a G router. All is well and you're humming along at 54mbps. Now next year, your company upgrades the G router to an N router (which is capable of 108bps) and they assure you that this is router is backwards compatible with your old laptop. Do you think your laptop will suddenly be able to receive data at 108mbps? NO it will not. It will however, be able to internally max out it's 54mbps easier than before because of the fatter pipes so to speak.

This is the EXACT SAME situation. Your company's router represents T-Mobile's current network and your laptop represents your phone.

Just sit back and let those synapses fire and give those neurons a bit of a workout, you'll get there.
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Re: Coming to the United States?

Maybe you both should read carefully what that T-Mobil Link states. It does lead you to believe that mytouch 3G etc.. is going to "get faster" (whatever that means).

Hardware is hardware, it can only support what is enabled for it to support. The T-Mobil link specifically says more than once the speed will be dependent upon the device.

"With HSPA+, customers will experience network throughput speeds that are three to five times faster than today’s 3G networks – with theoretical peak download speeds of 21Mbps (depending on device and other factors)."


Anyways, why the big argument? If this doesn't come to a head just email T Mobil and ask them? This isn't confidential information you can get a definite response.
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