Diamonds on eBay

[dcperdue]

Like I said if something is too good to be true then its a scam.

Turned everything over to the FBI Cybercrimes division so we will see if they take the ball and run with it.

Whoever theese paople are will be looking at serious prison time as the charges also include wire fraud as they used a tellicomunications device being the internet to do the crimes.

I got my origional diamond back from the courthouse today called asourion and they did verify that this was a claimed phone. Sprint black listed the esn because of fraud. See in my post before. I didnt care as im on cricket but couldnt roam on sprint after they blocked the esn. So I cloned it. Still got cought and almost got brought up on charges for receiving stolen property and for cloning the phone with a good esn.

If I were you guys I would start fileing complaints with your local AG's and paypal so you can cover your ***. Because this will surely be investigated and all phones out there will be black listed sooner or later.

I remember that last scam which involved the treo 700w's and p's when they first came out. HOT phones as in sweet kick *** and everyone wanted them. Look over on xda hundreds of peoples phones were black listed.

The same is happening to the diamond and pro's. Now whats really sad is theese phones are iphone killers but because of this bull**** the phone gets a bad rep and sales figures cant really be determined.

[SComp23]

I got an Asurion envelope with my Diamond, no name was listed on it. I called and spoke with a manager at Sprint, someone from ecare, as well as someone from Asurion, and everyone assured me it was alright. This is a post I made about this topic on another forum:

The damage, so to speak, has already been done. The phones have already been shipped to completely innocent third parties.

Think about it this way, if it costs $50 to get a new phone under an insurance plan that costs 4 dollars per month, that's a total of 98 dollars per year for one phone claimed. On many of these accounts, Sprint would lose 98 dollars in one month, perhaps 2 months if they decided to stop service to these phones. Then multiply that by how many people own these phones as their only phone, and have no other phone to active, forcing the decision to either pay for a different phone, or switch to another service.

I don't have insurance on my phone, I never have and probably never will. I'm not saying what you guys are postulating isn't possible or untrue, but either Sprint and Asurion are both turning a blind eye to this type of activity, or it's not as widespread or happening as we think it is.

[movax]

My box had a different cell # on it, so for all intents and purposes, looks like lkcarter502 is doing the same thing.

Leaving a negative feedback now, and reporting to eBay. I don't have insurance on my plan, so we'll see what happens. I could sell mine right now and purchase one from a legit eBay seller, but that would leave some other poor bastard with a blacklisted phone, so I'm not going to do that. I'll shoot off a tip to the Consumerist too I guess.

The one week delay in shipping is probably explainable by waiting for acquisition of account information from the people who bought from him, and then doing the "chain/(n+1)" thing - A's info gets B his phone, B's info gets C his phone, A gets a refund from seller.

Sucks too - with his low feedback I was expecting at worse to not get the item, or a different ESN than he provided me, and use my CC company to chargeback.

[reconboy]

Not to bust up the thread any but I really find Asurion's claim process faq quite funny:


What if someone makes a false claim about my phone?
In order to protect your account, Asurion takes criminal and civil action against those that commit fraud. Any person who attempts to defraud Asurion by providing false, incomplete or misleading information is guilty of insurance fraud. In addition, claimed phones are deactivated once a claim is fulfilled.


http://www.asurion.com/customers/hi_faq.html

[reconboy]

Originally Posted by movax

My box had a different cell # on it, so for all intents and purposes, looks like lkcarter502 is doing the same thing.

His name is funny too , reading his name looks like he is from KY and probably around the Louisville area (of course Louisville can be incorrect since 502 area code covers a large section of KY)

[SComp23]

Originally Posted by reconboy

Not to bust up the thread any but I really find Asurion's claim process faq quite funny:


What if someone makes a false claim about my phone?
In order to protect your account, Asurion takes criminal and civil action against those that commit fraud. Any person who attempts to defraud Asurion by providing false, incomplete or misleading information is guilty of insurance fraud. In addition, claimed phones are deactivated once a claim is fulfilled.
http://www.asurion.com/customers/hi_faq.html

I am curious if this is the case if a completely innocent third party now has possession of the phone. I called Asurion, and they assured me that this was legitimate and there was no need to worry. I've now relied on their promise, so I don't see how they would turn around and disconnect my phone.

It also makes me wonder if this is truly a product of fraud. I cannot imagine both managers at Sprint and Asurion taking a report like this lightly, especially since it appears many have made such reports.

[yougivemerash!!!]

Originally Posted by reconboy

O I can promise you I am keeping my phone because I still think I am going to get hit with a fee for not returning a defective phone to Asurion but the good thing is I have filed my dispute with Paypal , even included scanned images of the packaging.

I will get my money back from this guy one way or another (well hopefully anyways!) and I still may contact the Attorney General here in KY just to see if anything else can be done legally.

Just another insight , if you receive it from Louisville Kentucky that is a Warehouse for Sprint and Asurion, its right off Outer Loop if any of you are from around Louisville you will know where I am talking about.

Last thing is just protect yourself, with this issue you could possibly get stuck with paying twice for the phone plus 50.00 for the insurance if you are carrying the insurance with Sprint.

How do you plan on keeping your phone AND opening a paypal dispute? Wouldn't it only be resolved if you send the phone back to the seller?

And as for the reporting to the FBI thing, I doubt they are going to do anything. They are already backed up with so many other cases, this is going to take the backseat.

[reconboy]

Keeping the phone is the easy part, the seller never had possession of the phone in the first place.

Paypal can retract the payment easily as the seller never had anything to sell since it was a scam.

Now granted I may have to pay Asurion 200.00 for the phone but atleast I will or maybe able to keep service on the phone since I DO have insurance. The money I paid the seller would in sense pay Asurion.

[SComp23]

Originally Posted by reconboy

Keeping the phone is the easy part, the seller never had possession of the phone in the first place.

Paypal can retract the payment easily as the seller never had anything to sell since it was a scam.

Now granted I may have to pay Asurion 200.00 for the phone but atleast I will or maybe able to keep service on the phone since I DO have insurance. The money I paid the seller would in sense pay Asurion.

How are you going to convince Paypal that this is indeed a scam?

[reconboy]

Read my post here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=80

Once again , This entire sale was in deed FRAUD, Making claims against someone elses insurance is FRAUD and is a Federal Offense , plus local and state offense.