Warez Vs. Tethering

[DarkLord]

Originally Posted by schettj

ICS is free. There IS NO HACK.

Changing the connection name used from PAM to SPRINT does nothing. It works (and is just as trackable) exactly the same either way.

CRACKs crack commercial software that must be paid for and registered to use.

Changing a registry key so a built-in app uses one or another connection name to dial #777 does nothing at all.

ICS is NOT free with Sprint. I called last nite to verify - twice. There is an additional $15/month charge.

[cruiser78]

Originally Posted by crazychef

we are editing the registry of MS' copyrighted version of ICS that is on our cell phones.. Im sure MS says thats a big no no.. did they give you permission to edit their licensed software? nope! did they give juicy permission to edit their licensed software? nope!

Exactly what I was trying to say in my earlier post about editing the registry for tweaks such as the clock instead of battery in the today screen or using Advanced Config. Now you're contradicting yourself again. My point wasn't to do with Advanced Config being "warez" but that it is a front end for editing the registry for less advanced users. Forget about Advanced Config... I'm just focusing on the editing the registry part. You say MS didn't give us permision to edit the registry in their licensed software so we shouldn't do it. That's what I was trying to say before about it sounding totally absurd. Why would MS say we can't edit the ICS setting but we can edit the other settings? Like the previous poster said, editing the ICS only changes the name of the account it connects with and nothing else and can also be fixed by renaming or copy the Sprint connection to PAM if you don't want to go into the registry. Now are you going to say that making a new connection called PAM instead of editing the registry to use the Sprint connection is "warez" too because it allows you to use ICS to tether?

[z28marols1]

Originally Posted by crazychef

dude, just go away or something... you know roms arent the issue, you guys wanna argue that point, make a thread about it.. im not interested in em one bit, someone else brought it up, you origannly i believe, so i asked if your not doing anything wrng whys it have to be erased.. and someone said warranty issues.. thats a whole different thing... although they dont know their ROM didnt in fact break the phone, so why cant they goto their carrier admit what they did and pay full price for a replacement, instead of hard resetting and acting like it just ent to hell all on its own?? and yes im well aware things do go wrong that have absolutly nothing to do with rom flashing.. but maybe a little more honesty wouldnt have just put a cap at 3 asurion exchanges in a 12 months period...

again, i dont care about roms... theres no way to pay for it.. but there are plenty of ways to pay for your phone to tether to a laptop/pc though our carriers..

excuse me??? go away or something?

dude, bite me. as you said before this is a forum for discussion, you have no right to tell me to go away. are you mad that i bring up a valid point?

[DarkLord]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

not to help his point any buy ICS did not work on my TP, mogul or apache out of the box, so it seems to be hit or miss.

was the exact same with mine. and again, if you are a Sprint customer, there is a $15/month additional fee for PAM (ICS).

[z28marols1]

and again, as crazychef pointed out several times in this post, we are not argueing the legality of using warez or ICS without paying for it (i only lump warez in there bc some want to call ICS hacks warez). We're discussing whether or not the discussion of such should be allowed on the forum.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

using a reg edit or a hack to use copyrighted software without paying for it is against copyright laws. using a hack to get a SERVICE to which you may not be entitled is totally different. not neccessarily more legal, just not illegal to discuss.

we could legally discuss the uses and how to with warez. however distributing the software itself (in a cracked state, not referring to shareware here) or serials/keygens (which circumvent copy protection, violating copyright laws) is not legal.

in escense, we can legally discuss how to obtain illegal software and how to do other illegal things. the discussion is not whats ILLEGAL. the instructions on how to do warez and bypass copyright protection is not ILLEGAL. posting warez themselves or the serials keygens themselves is whats illegal. That said, the site mods and admin can restrict if more if they like as terms of using the site, its their perogative. So if they want to completely ban discussing how to break copyright protection, thats up to them. however they MUST NOT allow postings that break copyright laws. Now, as posting how to use ICS without paying for it does NOT break any laws, there is nothing saying that the site admin/mods have to ban this particual discussion.

Stealing a service does not equal warez. (note there is no arguement about the legality of USING either, thats not the discussion here.)

you couldnt be more wrong...

thats like saying its ok to come up with a plan to assinate the President or draw plans to make a bomb, but your not doing anything wrong by not acting it out... have you ever heard the terms conspiracy, conspirator, accomplis??? that is in fact what your doing by supplying people with the means to do these things... if i draw up a plan for you to rob a bank and i sit at home i am at just as much fault as the robber...

hence you giving someone or dicussing with someone about how to obtain warez is just as illegal as obtaining the materials yourself

[z28marols1]

Originally Posted by crazychef

we are editing the registry of MS' copyrighted version of ICS that is on our cell phones.. Im sure MS says thats a big no no.. did they give you permission to edit their licensed software? nope! did they give juicy permission to edit their licensed software? nope!

and again, you missed my point. we can talk about doing it all we want. actually doing it is another matter, and PPCGeeks as a site is not responsible for what we actually do. discussing it is NOT BREAKING THE LAW!

[z28marols1]

Originally Posted by crazychef

you couldnt be more wrong...

thats like saying its ok to come up with a plan to assinate the President or draw plans to make a bomb, but your not doing anything wrong by not acting it out... have you ever heard the terms conspiracy, conspirator, accomplis??? that is in fact what your doing by supplying people with the means to do these things... if i draw up a plan for you to rob a bank and i sit at home i am at just as much fault as the robber...

hence you giving someone or dicussing with someone about how to obtain warez is just as illegal as obtaining the materials yourself

typically you have to have the means to actually carry out those plans to be convicted of an attempted conspiracy. and again these laws do not apply here.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

excuse me??? go away or something?

dude, bite me. as you said before this is a forum for discussion, you have no right to tell me to go away. are you mad that i bring up a valid point?

how did u prove a valid point, if anything you made me prove to the theory that romming would be bad, since all carriers obviously dont allow it whether it be for warranty purposes or not.. our carriers do not stand in favor of it period.. now please can we drop the rom issue.. its irrelevant to the topic of thethering..

and your right, my apologies...you have every right to come in here and layout your input and i have no right to ask to have that taken from you by asking you to leave...

let me rephrase, please come up with a little bit better, more relevant information that holds some weight...

i have done nothing but show 2 different TOS" and links to MS software info that clearly states were not to use our phones for tethering without a proper plan from our carriers.. now i mean thats hard, physical proof, tangible proof that our carrier stand against these practices that most of you claim, "they dont seem to care about"

[z28marols1]

my "valid point" is that it is not breaking the law to discuss how to do something that could make somebody be in breach of their contract.

Breaking a carriers "rule" about something is much different than breaking a law.