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Re: HTC Shipped Mango Roms Leak, Including The Verizon HTC Trophy

same here. Right now, I figure, if Sprint doesn't roll it out by October(ish), I'll probably end up going Apple or Droid. There's just too many things lacking right now for me. I like the phone and OS is nice, but it's lacking in many things. I'm hoping that Mango fixes that. The hidden WiFi is a glaring example.

I know, many of my issues with the OS are mainly due to my being "Old Fashioned". I don't want to have to jump through hoops to be able to do with my phone, many of the same things I've been able to do with my PDA's/Phones for the prior 10+ years. I like being able to have my contacts and schedules on my computer and having it sync with my phone when I plug it in and vice-verse. I don't like relying on "The Cloud" for this. I don't use an Enterprise server. I'm basically a Home user that does use it for my job (Health Care) mainly for reference software like Tarascon for my own uses. It's not something given to me by my employer. Part of my dislike for Clouding is that I don't like the idea of having to put my life completely online. Granted, my schedule is pretty boring. Work, On Call, Family Medical Appointments, School Schedule, Little League. Pretty boring. But, being online, leaves it open to hacking, fishing and other risks to being taken by others. And? What if I haveing a meeting setup with a Naked Midget with a fetish? I might need to put that into my schedule, do I need to make that a point to risk making it public knowledge? Really.

Seriously though, My only other big peeve is the inability to sync word files. I shouldn't have to load my notes to the clouds in order to get them on my phone. I would love to be able to use something like the Windows Mobile Device Center, but again, I have to jump through hoops to get my phone Unlocked so I can do simple things that should not be an issue.

I'll stop now before it starts to sound like a rant. I actually really do like the phone, it just doesn't sound like it all the time.
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Re: HTC Shipped Mango Roms Leak, Including The Verizon HTC Trophy

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same here. Right now, I figure, if Sprint doesn't roll it out by October(ish), I'll probably end up going Apple or Droid. There's just too many things lacking right now for me. I like the phone and OS is nice, but it's lacking in many things. I'm hoping that Mango fixes that. The hidden WiFi is a glaring example.
If there is just too many lacking things, just go to Android or iphoney if that is what you want. Dont threaten, just do it.

This release is a leak, not an official one. Microsoft has a big push to get mango in everyone's hands ASAP (marketplace is already showing Mango apps and new apps are not being sold with out mango support). You never know, the rumor is the 15th for all carriers, I guess time wil tell.

The general thoughts on this release, for the Verizon trophy is....Awsome..

Better perfomance, better battery life, DLNA support (really this is a shocker ??), Hidden wi-fi, and more.

A worthy upgrade from what I have been reading....
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Re: HTC Shipped Mango Roms Leak, Including The Verizon HTC Trophy

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same here. Right now, I figure, if Sprint doesn't roll it out by October(ish), I'll probably end up going Apple or Droid. There's just too many things lacking right now for me. I like the phone and OS is nice, but it's lacking in many things. I'm hoping that Mango fixes that. The hidden WiFi is a glaring example.

I know, many of my issues with the OS are mainly due to my being "Old Fashioned". I don't want to have to jump through hoops to be able to do with my phone, many of the same things I've been able to do with my PDA's/Phones for the prior 10+ years. I like being able to have my contacts and schedules on my computer and having it sync with my phone when I plug it in and vice-verse. I don't like relying on "The Cloud" for this. I don't use an Enterprise server. I'm basically a Home user that does use it for my job (Health Care) mainly for reference software like Tarascon for my own uses. It's not something given to me by my employer. Part of my dislike for Clouding is that I don't like the idea of having to put my life completely online. Granted, my schedule is pretty boring. Work, On Call, Family Medical Appointments, School Schedule, Little League. Pretty boring. But, being online, leaves it open to hacking, fishing and other risks to being taken by others. And? What if I haveing a meeting setup with a Naked Midget with a fetish? I might need to put that into my schedule, do I need to make that a point to risk making it public knowledge? Really.

Seriously though, My only other big peeve is the inability to sync word files. I shouldn't have to load my notes to the clouds in order to get them on my phone. I would love to be able to use something like the Windows Mobile Device Center, but again, I have to jump through hoops to get my phone Unlocked so I can do simple things that should not be an issue.

I'll stop now before it starts to sound like a rant. I actually really do like the phone, it just doesn't sound like it all the time.
I personally want my contacts and appointments etc. to have real time syncronization with the cloud so that all of my devices and computers are up to date. Being a Windows Mobile / Pocket PC user since the iPaq 3630 way back when I was used to doing the Activesync all the time. It was really inconvienient because you'd go to put an appointment or contact into Outlook and all the sudden you forgot to put your phone on the sync cradle and you ran out the door without the important piece of information. Not fun!
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Re: HTC Shipped Mango Roms Leak, Including The Verizon HTC Trophy

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same here. Right now, I figure, if Sprint doesn't roll it out by October(ish), I'll probably end up going Apple or Droid. There's just too many things lacking right now for me. I like the phone and OS is nice, but it's lacking in many things. I'm hoping that Mango fixes that. The hidden WiFi is a glaring example.

I know, many of my issues with the OS are mainly due to my being "Old Fashioned". I don't want to have to jump through hoops to be able to do with my phone, many of the same things I've been able to do with my PDA's/Phones for the prior 10+ years. I like being able to have my contacts and schedules on my computer and having it sync with my phone when I plug it in and vice-verse. I don't like relying on "The Cloud" for this. I don't use an Enterprise server. I'm basically a Home user that does use it for my job (Health Care) mainly for reference software like Tarascon for my own uses. It's not something given to me by my employer. Part of my dislike for Clouding is that I don't like the idea of having to put my life completely online. Granted, my schedule is pretty boring. Work, On Call, Family Medical Appointments, School Schedule, Little League. Pretty boring. But, being online, leaves it open to hacking, fishing and other risks to being taken by others. And? What if I haveing a meeting setup with a Naked Midget with a fetish? I might need to put that into my schedule, do I need to make that a point to risk making it public knowledge? Really.

Seriously though, My only other big peeve is the inability to sync word files. I shouldn't have to load my notes to the clouds in order to get them on my phone. I would love to be able to use something like the Windows Mobile Device Center, but again, I have to jump through hoops to get my phone Unlocked so I can do simple things that should not be an issue.

I'll stop now before it starts to sound like a rant. I actually really do like the phone, it just doesn't sound like it all the time.
hidden wifi will be coming with the official release, as for the cloud like what @dtrush was saying ur data can still be hacked if someone really wants it,even if it's on ur PC and as for documenting ur life online this isn't true because alot of the stuff synched between WP and the hotmail calendar is private unless u choose to share it so no worries there.

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If there is just too many lacking things, just go to Android or iphoney if that is what you want. Dont threaten, just do it.

This release is a leak, not an official one. Microsoft has a big push to get mango in everyone's hands ASAP (marketplace is already showing Mango apps and new apps are not being sold with out mango support). You never know, the rumor is the 15th for all carriers, I guess time wil tell.

The general thoughts on this release, for the Verizon trophy is....Awsome..

Better perfomance, better battery life, DLNA support (really this is a shocker ??), Hidden wi-fi, and more.

A worthy upgrade from what I have been reading....
DLNA support? WOW I thought that was a hardware limitation, now I can laugh at all the if you don't have an iPhone commercials.
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DLNA support? WOW I thought that was a hardware limitation, now I can laugh at all the if you don't have an iPhone commercials.
Yea, I was thinking the same thing. When I got the Trophy, I was disapointed that I did not have DLNA (even tho I dont have anything YET that uses it at home) and nothing that I read said it supported it. It is not even listed on HTC as a feature. I thought it was in the list of Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 manatory features tho and HTC's chipset used has it but, I dont think it was enabled.

ca2l3vin on XDA (on the leaked rom thread) says that it works...

xda-developers - View Single Post - HTC Shipped Mango ROMs

So, on the Trophy, a lot better performance than RTM (I'd bet due to correct drivers), better battery life (confirmed by 2 people), Better signal (Firmware/Radio update ?), Color Banding Fixed/Better, DLNA support, Hidden Wi-Fi access. HTC Attentive Phone app will install to settings instead of being an App.

So, Verizon HTC Trophy users who are running RTM, This is what you were looking for.

I"m still waiting on seeing if there is a way to Unlock sideloading limits then I will be going too (need to order a new phone anyway) if I order a new phone, I'll try it for day or 2...

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Yea, I was thinking the same thing. When I got the Trophy, I was disapointed that I did not have DLNA (even tho I dont have anything YET that uses it at home) and nothing that I read said it supported it. It is not even listed on HTC as a feature. I thought it was in the list of Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 manatory features tho and HTC's chipset used has it but, I dont think it was enabled.

ca2l3vin on XDA (on the leaked rom thread) says that it works...

xda-developers - View Single Post - HTC Shipped Mango ROMs

So, on the Trophy, a lot better performance than RTM (I'd bet due to correct drivers), better battery life (confirmed by 2 people), Better signal (Firmware/Radio update ?), Color Banding Fixed/Better, DLNA support, Hidden Wi-Fi access. HTC Attentive Phone app will install to settings instead of being an App.

So, Verizon HTC Trophy users who are running RTM, This is what you were looking for.

I"m still waiting on seeing if there is a way to Unlock sideloading limits then I will be going too (need to order a new phone anyway) if I order a new phone, I'll try it for day or 2...
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If there is just too many lacking things, just go to Android or iphoney if that is what you want. Dont threaten, just do it.
Wow! Don't be so sensitive. I doubt I'd be any better with Android, iPhone, Blackberry, Symbian or any of the other OS's out there on smartphones. I use Windows. I've been using it since I migrated to DOS3.0 on my 4.66/10Mhz Acer Xt, from my Commodore 64. I use MS mobile OS's also. Have been since Windows CE. What I find frustrating the most is the relative inability for a home user to truly, easily, sync the wanted data onto the newer WP7 PDA/Smartphones. Unlike dtrush, I never experienced the lack of sync only because I always used my computer to charge my devices so, every time I plugged mine in, it synced. Granted, I don't have a lot of constantly changing Contacts, Appointments, schedules. Mine mainly updated medical reference programs and such.

I would create documents on my phone or on my computer and they would sync without a problem. I have not been able to recreate that ease and ability with the new OS. Would it be any better if I were an Apple Mac user and using the iPhone platform also? Or, do they require the same steps to get information back and forth between the two? I don't know. If someone does, please educate me on it. I'd appreciate it.

Like I said in my original post on this, I just find it frustrating that a Windows 7 Professional computer does not easily sync with a Windows Phone 7 other than adding songs on your playlist. It should be so much more than that. Maybe with DLNA, when I upgrade to a newer computer they will communicate later. I'll wait and see. I think, now, if I could just get my Arrive unlocked so I could use the Windows Phone Device Manager, many, if not most, of my issues with the OS would be eliminated. Zune just doesn't do it for me.
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Wow! Don't be so sensitive. I doubt I'd be any better with Android, iPhone, Blackberry, Symbian or any of the other OS's out there on smartphones...

Like I said in my original post on this, I just find it frustrating that a Windows 7 Professional computer does not easily sync with a Windows Phone 7 other than adding songs on your playlist. It should be so much more than that.
It does do a lot more than that, but his point is that the way you're doing it is cumbersome for no good reason. I do fully understand your concerns, but they invalidated by the fact that everything you do with most of what you sync hits the cloud at some point anyway... especially where email is concerned.

The exact opposite of your argument is also true... it's more protected because if your house burns down or your computer crashes, you didn't just lose all your data.

So you give and take a little. If you're concerned about hackers, you use good passwords and never save or share them, but if you think it's safer on your PC than in the cloud, you've been misled. As for availability of the cloud, well, there you have a point, BUT the whole point of these devices is that it makes things available in an offline state as well... something that most of the other competitors don't make as easy.
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is beats audio built into the sound enhancer or no?
Not sure, Still kind of holding out till I get a new phone before I try it...

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Wow! Don't be so sensitive. I doubt I'd be any better with Android, iPhone, Blackberry, Symbian or any of the other OS's out there on smartphones. I use Windows. I've been using it since I migrated to DOS3.0 on my 4.66/10Mhz Acer Xt, from my Commodore 64. I use MS mobile OS's also. Have been since Windows CE. What I find frustrating the most is the relative inability for a home user to truly, easily, sync the wanted data onto the newer WP7 PDA/Smartphones. Unlike dtrush, I never experienced the lack of sync only because I always used my computer to charge my devices so, every time I plugged mine in, it synced. Granted, I don't have a lot of constantly changing Contacts, Appointments, schedules. Mine mainly updated medical reference programs and such.

I would create documents on my phone or on my computer and they would sync without a problem. I have not been able to recreate that ease and ability with the new OS. Would it be any better if I were an Apple Mac user and using the iPhone platform also? Or, do they require the same steps to get information back and forth between the two? I don't know. If someone does, please educate me on it. I'd appreciate it.

Like I said in my original post on this, I just find it frustrating that a Windows 7 Professional computer does not easily sync with a Windows Phone 7 other than adding songs on your playlist. It should be so much more than that. Maybe with DLNA, when I upgrade to a newer computer they will communicate later. I'll wait and see. I think, now, if I could just get my Arrive unlocked so I could use the Windows Phone Device Manager, many, if not most, of my issues with the OS would be eliminated. Zune just doesn't do it for me.
I'm not being sensitive, I'm just stating the way it is. If your a Anroid fan, then sell you device and change over. Nothing personal but, there is too many Android fanboys trashing WP7, that I just gave up on the fact that that I am defending it. I'm actually shocked that Eric didn't comment on it.

I agree with you on the basics, I am also a person who started out on Dos 3.0 (I had Atari computers before my first 286 PC), and Windows 3.1 (windows 1 and 2 totaly sucked but for it's time, it was cool). I also had the first PocketPC 1.0 (Windows Portable) device and STILL HAVE IT (it's worthless on ebay). I have had every version of PocketPC, Windows Mobile. I have seen it every step of the way, so I am also a old timer when it comes to these devices.

There are some things that I miss from 6.5, like your saying, to be able to sync files(documents with out going to the cloud, this is pretty huge for me too) and some basic stuff, like file management (like the first one), Remote desktop, etc.

As I agree with you, and I am very passionate about it, I do not threaten to go to the others. My wife has a iPhone, my Sister has Android and I have played with them both. I stil can honestly say, I can not see the appeal of the iPhone.

Now you know how I stand on that one.

Let's keep this subject on track, the discussion of lacks of features or changing to something else is for a new thread, not about the leaked HTC roms with Mango final on them.

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It does do a lot more than that, but his point is that the way you're doing it is cumbersome for no good reason. I do fully understand your concerns, but they invalidated by the fact that everything you do with most of what you sync hits the cloud at some point anyway... especially where email is concerned.

The exact opposite of your argument is also true... it's more protected because if your house burns down or your computer crashes, you didn't just lose all your data.

So you give and take a little. If you're concerned about hackers, you use good passwords and never save or share them, but if you think it's safer on your PC than in the cloud, you've been misled. As for availability of the cloud, well, there you have a point, BUT the whole point of these devices is that it makes things available in an offline state as well... something that most of the other competitors don't make as easy.
You can give and take but, adding to the cloud makes things more complex for people. Why not make it easy for the customer???? Very simple, I have documents in my "My Documents" that I want to access/Edit on my phone. With 6.5, I could pretty much Check the files to sync, or move/copy them over to a folder in "My Documents", wow that is just so easy and no real security risks AT ALL (unless someone hacks your home computer). When I re-connect my phone, it syncs my data back, What is complex about this ?

Now the cloud, I need to open a web browser, log into a site, select "upload files" browse to one file (as most can't do batches of files) and repeat step by step over for each of the files. Then I also have to worry about the file on my PC is not updated, so after I work on it on my phone I have to re-download it to my computer. No true sync with my PC, maybe with the cloud but, not my PC.

Then I have to worry about a website indexing the content of the files for easier searching (now this can be abused for advertising and other used of the service is hacked), and worry about a password being not too strong.

As I partly agree, yes, if my home burns down, there is a very good chance I could lose my data, I take this risk but, if My house burns down, I could be in it and it would not really matter anyway.

I think forcing everything on the cloud should be an option, not manatory. I have a file on my PC, it's a pain in the ass to put it on my phone. I see this as a major step backwards.

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I'm not being sensitive, I'm just stating the way it is. If your a Anroid fan, then sell you device and change over. Nothing personal but, there is too many Android fanboys trashing WP7, that I just gave up on the fact that that I am defending it. I'm actually shocked that Eric didn't comment on it.
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oh u must not have seen me on the front page, I commented on it but I'm getting tired of it too. even on wpcentral there's haters or spec haters.
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