Evo 4g/Evo 3D

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

No, we absolutely cannot agree on that. You are wrong, period. You cite for evidence a test showing the Evo 3D beating the Sensation in every single test? lol. And still, we don't know the stuff running on each device. Pretty sure they don't have the exact same ROM though. My guess is the Evo 3D has all the Sprint bloatware. You said your previous guess on the Sensation was it was an international version with no bloatware.

I showed you evidence of the Evo 3d performing around the same as the sensation.you do realize no 2 devices are 100% the same...you will always have distinctions like this..check your Evo benchmarks running the exact same rom and you will see people scoring higher and lower within a margin...

Is everything I say universal across all points..I told you that QUADRANT was international..I have no clue whether the sensation tested was international or t-mobile.

Exactly that. Like I said, show me where I said only phone with Secure MSM would ever get Netflix. You do pretty decent job of tearing down arguments that nobody ever made. Here's a hint: I never said the Evo wouldn't get Netflix. I know darn well the Evo already has Netflix because I use it on my Evo all the time. YOU are the one who said Netflix didn't care about Secure MSM, so I pointed out that Netflix themselves said they do.

Thats not what you asked me...I think we are having some sort of language barrier :/..

Secure MSM and netflix are COMPLETELY unrelated..just cause it has "Secure" in it does not mean it automatically related to all security..just like that snapdragonnj site you linked...

Bottom line- the Evo 3D is secure. You were wrong on that claim , like so many others. And every time I point it out you flood the thread with more BS, false claims, change the subject, build up straw men and then tear them down, make a bunch of excuses, and so on.

You have yet to prove me wrong on any major claim..being in denial does not mean you are right...And I am not changing the topic..this is a broad topic...hence it touches many areas..the fact that I answered you on EVERY single point proves I am not trying to change the topic..If I wanted to change the topic I would just summarize everything in 1 paragraph

Lets not forget- this is about you claiming that HTC was merely "catching up at best to what ever other OEM did several years ago"

which i proved to you via links and you denied it on no bases

and then changing the subject to all of this nonsense when you got called on that BS claim. You then went on to claim the Galaxy S 2 was equal or better in every spec than the Evo 3D.

Actually I am not the one who started that topic:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/phone-comp...ml#post2112227

That got proven wrong, and you moved on to bench scores. I told you they weren't accurate, and it was a lesser device anyway.

So you claimed they weren't accurate on no bases whatsoever..then claimed the Evo 3d superior then the sensation when benchmarks show them to be withing 10% of each other?

Now your evidence that the Sensation is equal to the Evo 3D is a bunch of tests where the Evo 3D scored higher than the Sensation.

Yes..most benchmarks it wins by like 3%? it could not beat the sensation in any benchmark over 10% where as the SGS2 beat it by almost double...

Sensation is hardly inferior to the Evo 3d...

And this is after you said the sensation was likely running an international ROM with no bloatware, going against a Sprint Stock and boated Evo 3D ROM.

so sense is not bloatware? see why do you instantly assume that all sensations are international..I am pretty sure I told you of an existence of a t-mobile one..the only time that I said the sensation is international is on the Quadrant benchmark in that 1 video..for the 20th time....

[gTen]

There are some smartbench benchmarks for evo 3d now it seems:

Sensation:
Smartbench Productivity: 1898
Smartbench Gaming: 1642

Evo 3d:
Smartbench Productivity: 1612
Smartbench Gaming: 1503

SGS2:
Smartbench Productivity: 3732
Smartbench Gaming: 2431

You cna look it up yourself on :

Smartphone Benchmarks - Submit and compare Smartbench 2011,Smartbench 2010 and Quadrant benchmark results

if you doubt..


Now what?

[BlackDynamite]

I wasn't going to reply to this since you just keep posting nonsense. But I figured I would give it one more try.

Originally Posted by gTen

I showed you evidence of the Evo 3d performing around the same as the sensation.you do realize no 2 devices are 100% the same...you will always have distinctions like this..check your Evo benchmarks running the exact same rom and you will see people scoring higher and lower within a margin...

You showed me teh Evo 3D consistently beating the Sensation. It wasn't a "sometimes this one, sometimes that one" situation. it was a consistent better score (and I still don;t think that test is accurate without knowing which ROMs they were running).

Originally Posted by gTen

Is everything I say universal across all points..I told you that QUADRANT was international..I have no clue whether the sensation tested was international or t-mobile.

Oh, so then you concede that it could have been a clean and international Galaxy S 2 going up against a bloated T-Mobile Sensation? And yet you think that test is accurate or proves something?

Originally Posted by gTen

Thats not what you asked me...I think we are having some sort of language barrier :/..

That is what I asked you. You pointed out that several phones have Netflix, so I was wanting you to show me why I should care or how that is related to this discussion.

Originally Posted by gTen

Secure MSM and netflix are COMPLETELY unrelated..just cause it has "Secure" in it does not mean it automatically related to all security..just like that snapdragonnj site you linked...

If Netflix didn't care about it, they wouldn't say things like this:
Netflix on Android Confirmed for Snapdragon Phones First - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

Originally Posted by gTen

You have yet to prove me wrong on any major claim..being in denial does not mean you are right...And I am not changing the topic..this is a broad topic...hence it touches many areas..the fact that I answered you on EVERY single point proves I am not trying to change the topic..If I wanted to change the topic I would just summarize everything in 1 paragraph

lol, you have been thoroughly proven wrong on every single major point.

Originally Posted by gTen

which i proved to you via links and you denied it on no bases

You p[roved nothing.

Originally Posted by gTen

Actually I am not the one who started that topic:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/phone-comp...ml#post2112227

Uh, nice try. If you notice I am responding to you in that post. In the post I quoted, you said, and this is a copy and paste: "hence why Samsung always beats the competition in hardware specs." So yes, you DID start that topic.

Originally Posted by gTen

So you claimed they weren't accurate on no bases whatsoever..then claimed the Evo 3d superior then the sensation when benchmarks show them to be withing 10% of each other?

The benchmarks, which you yourself said were inaccurate and would be better with 2 AOSP ROMs, clearly showed the Evo 3D to consistently score higher than the Sensation.

Originally Posted by gTen

Yes..most benchmarks it wins by like 3%? it could not beat the sensation in any benchmark over 10% where as the SGS2 beat it by almost double...

So? Your claim that the Evo 3D would not bench better than the Sensation were proven wrong when your own link showed the Evo 3D consistently beating the Sensation. Now you are saying "it didn't beat it by as much as the Galaxy S2." So freaking what? lol

Originally Posted by gTen

Sensation is hardly inferior to the Evo 3d...

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by gTen

so sense is not bloatware? see why do you instantly assume that all sensations are international..I am pretty sure I told you of an existence of a t-mobile one..the only time that I said the sensation is international is on the Quadrant benchmark in that 1 video..for the 20th time....

Yes, Sense is absolutely bloatware. And I don't assume the Sensation is International. In fact, I said the Galaxy S2 was likely going up against a bloated stock Sensation, and YOU said it was probably international without bloatware.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I wasn't going to reply to this since you just keep posting nonsense. But I figured I would give it one more try.

You showed me teh Evo 3D consistently beating the Sensation. It wasn't a "sometimes this one, sometimes that one" situation. it was a consistent better score (and I still don;t think that test is accurate without knowing which ROMs they were running).

Ok I guess I gotta explain how manufacturing process works..in a manufacturing process..no 2 devices are ever the same...you will ALWAYS have slight manufacturer defects as nothing is perfect..this is why some phones overclock/uv better then others..if the evo 3d had a superior processor in manufacturing process you can have such distinctions..if you dont believe me look at evo benchmarks..there are always ppl who would always bench higher then you on all benchmarks since they got a better chip.

Oh, so then you concede that it could have been a clean and international Galaxy S 2 going up against a bloated T-Mobile Sensation? And yet you think that test is accurate or proves something?

for the 21st time..the SGS 2 when benched on that quadrant video was international sgs2 vs international sensation, in the smartbench it was an average pick for the 2, in the gl benchmark it was unkown origin sensation vs evo3d...got that clear now?

That is what I asked you. You pointed out that several phones have Netflix, so I was wanting you to show me why I should care or how that is related to this discussion.

I dont see why you even brought netflix int othis discussion..I told you from 1st get go it not related...

If Netflix didn't care about it, they wouldn't say things like this:
Netflix on Android Confirmed for Snapdragon Phones First - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

Ok where in that article does it say secure msm? I dotn see it there..now..lets go over the facts..the first devices that got

HTC Incredible (no secure msm)
HTC Nexus One (no secure msm)
HTC Evo 4G (no secure msm)
HTC G2 (secure msm)
Samsung Nexus S (no secure msm)

so tell me again how netflix cares about secure msm? they care about security yes..but are you 100% sure secure msm is the tech they are talking about?

Uh, nice try. If you notice I am responding to you in that post. In the post I quoted, you said, and this is a copy and paste: "hence why Samsung always beats the competition in hardware specs." So yes, you DID start that topic.

I was explaining Samsungs market advantage in the industry...

The benchmarks, which you yourself said were inaccurate and would be better with 2 AOSP ROMs, clearly showed the Evo 3D to consistently score higher than the Sensation.

So? Your claim that the Evo 3D would not bench better than the Sensation were proven wrong when your own link showed the Evo 3D consistently beating the Sensation. Now you are saying "it didn't beat it by as much as the Galaxy S2." So freaking what? lol

Um..ok so we can agree that SGS2 has a better processor then?

Yes, Sense is absolutely bloatware. And I don't assume the Sensation is International. In fact, I said the Galaxy S2 was likely going up against a bloated stock Sensation, and YOU said it was probably international without bloatware.

its separate instances completely unrelated..the sensation was itnernational vs itnernational in the sgs2 bout..its unkown in the evo3d bout..

[BlackDynamite]

I am not going to keep going over this. You continue to live in your fantasy world. Just don't come in here posting it like it's a fact.

The fact is, HTC is continuing to set the standard with devices for the modding community, and the Evo 3D is a better device than the Galaxy S 2. And no, I don't concede anything about the processor. I don't know where you got that crap from, but it's a prime example of why I am not replying to you anymore.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I am not going to keep going over this. You continue to live in your fantasy world. Just don't come in here posting it like it's a fact.

You want me to stop posting facts you don't like and only post facts you like? I am sorry I try to give everything a fair overview regardless on my opinion on the matter.

The fact is, HTC is continuing to set the standard with devices for the modding community, and the Evo 3D is a better device than the Galaxy S 2.

Ok so while the SGS 2 has a better processor, better GPU, better wifi, better codec support, better front facing camera..and ties in all other specs its wrse because it has a smaller battery and only 1 led and missing an HTC logo?

And no, I don't concede anything about the processor. I don't know where you got that crap from, but it's a prime example of why I am not replying to you anymore.

I linked to you the facts..you can get them yourself..via those links..

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

Ok so while the SGS 2 has a better processor, better GPU, better wifi, better codec support, better front facing camera..and ties in all other specs its wrse because it has a smaller battery and only 1 led and missing an HTC logo?

Totally false.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Totally false.

Yet you can't backup otherwise...I don't see why you refuse to accept reality...if you prefer HTC thats fine no one is stopping you..but you gotta understand its gotten to a really competitive market..in fall a Tegra 3 phone will come out and most likely wipe the floor with both the Evo 3d and the SGS 2..thats just how this game works :/

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

Yet you can't backup otherwise...I don't see why you refuse to accept reality...if you prefer HTC thats fine no one is stopping you..but you gotta understand its gotten to a really competitive market..in fall a Tegra 3 phone will come out and most likely wipe the floor with both the Evo 3d and the SGS 2..thats just how this game works :/

I backed up everything. You are the one throwing nonsense out there and claiming it is fact. and I agree that some quad core phones will be out soon that are better specs than either of these phones.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I backed up everything. You are the one throwing nonsense out there and claiming it is fact. and I agree that some quad core phones will be out soon that are better specs than either of these phones.

Well yeah Touchwiz base roms are non-sense >.> lol jk

I gave you links that backup my claims and my thought process..you can say w\e you want but I presented facts for both sides whether it agreed to what I was stating or hindered..I have no interest in passing lies as reality..if I feel I made a mistake at any point I correct it. Even if I hate something such as say Apple I won't stand for anyone saying things about it that are false..

Listen to what I have to say just for 1 minute without trying to take sides one way or another..
It is not surprising that Samsung has the advantage in hardware..it has nothing to do with which brand is better or etc..it just that..samsung has an unfair advantage...

Lets stop using Samsung as an example to make it easier and use Qualcomm...imagine Qualcomm decided to start making smartphones..starting 2012...they make a new processor and begin to use that processor to make a new phone in 2012Q1..in 2012Q2 they send a sample processor to HTC, Qualcomm completes their phone in 2012Q3..HTC now has a choice..release old processor to compete or wait till Q4 or 2013Q1 to release with new processor.

Samsung has such an unfair advantage its not even funny.. remember when ipad2 was released and it was thinner then all the others? in 3 days Samsung changed their complete design to be thinner then the ipad..also the SGS2 was originally suppose to be 1ghz..once they heard qualcomm plans to release phone in Q3 with 1.2ghz they bumped their entire SGS2 line to 1.2ghz in 2 days...

This has nothing to do with being loyal to a brand..samsung makes like 70%+ of the components inside their own phones..they can swap them easily whenever they please..HTC does not have that luxury..as they make contracts with component suppliers and can't break them even if they wanted to..