Evo 4g/Evo 3D

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

1) prefect blacks
2) 60,000+ contrast
3) 4% screen reflect
4) 69 - 83 brightness contrast
5) 2.36 gamma intensity
6) infinite contrast ratio
7) 0 power displaying blacks
1000x faster response time over lcds
9) better viewing angles
10) lower power consumption on all colors except white
11) can operate and lower and higher temperatures then lcds

Please tell me why I should care about this nonsense. You rattle off some random stats of an OLED. Like I said, if you are going to tell me the Galaxy S 2 has a more efficient screen than the Evo 3D, then tell me how efficient each of them are. You are just making crap up at this point. Well, not at this point, you've been doing it all along.

Originally Posted by gTen

OLED is the tech after LCDs...right now you see LCD tvs with 3d and etc..2012+ is gonan be the year of OLED TVs..right now OLED TVs cost too much like 10,000$ for a 30" screen...

So? Why should I care about this? You keep cluttering up the discussion with crap that has nothing to do with this. OLED tv's are generally better than LCD has absolutely nothing to do with either of these phones. And even if it was somehow related, not EVERY OLED tv is better than EVERY LCD. I'll take a 75" top notch LCD tv with glasses free 3D over a 13" OLED tv with no 3D, every time.

Originally Posted by gTen

I said facebook AND image sites...and as I said HTC has a history of having sub par cameras..where as the SGS 2 has a camera that even beats the iphone 4 and etc..not suprsing as unlike HTC, Samsung actually manufactures cameras!

First off, HTC doesn't make "sub par" cameras. The camera on the Evo is just fine. Yeah, you may have to adjust some settings in order to get a better picture, but it is very much possible to get good quality out the Evo camera. It's certainly on par or better than the Droid cameras.

Originally Posted by gTen

I know skype right now does not use 1080p video but it will in the near future, and there are techs that do support 1080p video, you also can use it for better self portraits and etc..I mean many things dont support 3d and you have no problems touting that...

There are way, WAY more people ready to make use of 3D cameras and a glasses free 3D screen, than there are ready to make use of a 2 megapixel video chat from a phone. There is literally no video chat client that runs on Android that will stream a 2 megapixel video stream. And there is no client that will receive and display such a stream anyway. No comparison here. You were obviously biased and just making crap up when you said the 3D cameras on the Evo were an unknown, the 3D screen was a tie, and the front camera on the Galaxy S 2 was better due to the more megapixels. The bottom line is, everything you can do with the Sammy front cam can be done with the Evo 3D front cam. But the sammy will never take the 3D pics and vids that the Evo 3D takes, nor will it ever display the 3D videos, or the high resolution of the Evo 3D screen.

Originally Posted by gTen

First of all its optional..second of all...he is not suppose to do nand backups..you have something called "remote syncing"....no one does nand backups in corporate environments...

Remote syncing is not the same thing. Nice try though. So, like I said and you chose to dodge the answer rather than admit it- encrypted nand is a bad thing.

Originally Posted by gTen

Yes they can but you also have to realize that while they can buy components from other sources..other sources dont just go throwing out latest components either..they first release "prototypes" for testing then have the buyers like HTC make orders...Samsung can skip this entire lengthy process and just manufacture it out the gate..thats a HUGE advantage...not to mention Samsung has patents on components they release which prevent others from manufacturing similar new tech unless they are licensed with them.

True, Samsung can decide to include some components that haven't been fully tested. But then you end up with the faulty GPS of the Galaxy S, and the faulty radios of the Nexus S 4G. I would certainly not call that an advantage.

Originally Posted by gTen

plea bargain means he makes a deal..no deals the politicians jsut are too afraid to touch him because it can hurt the korean economy..as I said before..korea is one of the onyl countries that avoided recession..anyways this is pointless to our discussion.

Plea bargain means he agreed to plead guilty and admit he committed a crime. Anyway, get off that whole "Korea avoided the recession" nonsense. Korea avoided the recession because the entire country is about half the size of a single state in the USA. I'm sure if you only count half of California, they would have skipped the recession too.

Originally Posted by gTen

Cyanogen is a person..he has a team...but he is the one who started it...when he started it he got an HTC device because at the time HTC was only choice for Android...from then on more people added on..Samsung would have been added either way...them giving the device is an EXTRA..not the deciding factor...

CyanogemMod is a whole team of people. Clearly, you were wrong in your assesment of the Galaxy S and CM support. They just barely got the first CM7 nightly for a Galaxy S device a couple weeks ago. I posted the link. And this is with a whole team of developers.

Originally Posted by gTen

... your saying giving developers free phones is playing catchup? its a sign of favorism to the community..this act got them a bunch of people to favor the SGS2 over the Evo 3d..read the comments...its not only about having developers..its also about keeping them..and if the other side has better phones and sends you a free phone in the mail while the other guy doesn't..who would you choose?

Man, you realize that hundreds or even thousands of people said they were getting an HTC phone when HTC agreed to open the bootloaders? Liek I said, Samsung is just playing catch up. You can bet there will be more custom ROMs for the HTC phones, just like there always has been. The Samsung is NOT a better phone. If it were, then they wouldn't have to give them away in order to get people to develop for them. It's not like these devs are a bunch of idiots who just don't know any better. They know which phones are the best and they buy the ones they want.

Originally Posted by gTen

ok..I'll take you on this bet....now before anyone cries fowl..I want to confirm...the bet is "Who sells more phones HTC or Samsung?"..I want you to pay very close attention to the wording so that you dont say anything in the future..if this wording is ok with you then my bet is on Samsung.

Yes, HTC will sell more smartphones than Samsung. They will sell a LOT more smartphones than Samsung.

You do realize that the quarterly profits HTC just posted were about half of the quarterly profits Samsung posted in their best quarter ever, for the whole company- not just mobile. So you are out of your mind if you think Samsung is going to compete with HTC in this area. HTC is a MUCH larger phone manufacturer than Sansung.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Please tell me why I should care about this nonsense. You rattle off some random stats of an OLED. Like I said, if you are going to tell me the Galaxy S 2 has a more efficient screen than the Evo 3D, then tell me how efficient each of them are. You are just making crap up at this point. Well, not at this point, you've been doing it all along.

um..what o you need to know in terms of efficiency? blacks using up 0 energy is not a statement of efficiency?

So? Why should I care about this? You keep cluttering up the discussion with crap that has nothing to do with this. OLED tv's are generally better than LCD has absolutely nothing to do with either of these phones. And even if it was somehow related, not EVERY OLED tv is better than EVERY LCD. I'll take a 75" top notch LCD tv with glasses free 3D over a 13" OLED tv with no 3D, every time.

umm..75" compared to 13"..isnt that a bit stretching it? we are talking about same sized 4.3" phones..SGS2 has a 4.5" version too...

First off, HTC doesn't make "sub par" cameras. The camera on the Evo is just fine. Yeah, you may have to adjust some settings in order to get a better picture, but it is very much possible to get good quality out the Evo camera. It's certainly on par or better than the Droid cameras.

They make sub par cameras..both sgs and iphone camera completely destroy the evos camera..

There are way, WAY more people ready to make use of 3D cameras and a glasses free 3D screen, than there are ready to make use of a 2 megapixel video chat from a phone. There is literally no video chat client that runs on Android that will stream a 2 megapixel video stream. And there is no client that will receive and display such a stream anyway. No comparison here. You were obviously biased and just making crap up when you said the 3D cameras on the Evo were an unknown, the 3D screen was a tie, and the front camera on the Galaxy S 2 was better due to the more megapixels. The bottom line is, everything you can do with the Sammy front cam can be done with the Evo 3D front cam. But the sammy will never take the 3D pics and vids that the Evo 3D takes, nor will it ever display the 3D videos, or the high resolution of the Evo 3D screen.

3d front cam? it can display the higher resolution by connecting it via MHL...and as I said 3d is a gimmick tech..I remember watching jurrasic park in orlando in 3d cool..movies..cool..but I would never use it to record a video...neither would I use it on a small cellphone screen..I am telling you you have to see it in person..its nothing that great...

Remote syncing is not the same thing. Nice try though. So, like I said and you chose to dodge the answer rather than admit it- encrypted nand is a bad thing.

your under impression that encryption means data cant be copied..it can with a password..anyways no IT person is gonna spend time using clockwork or amon ra or etc..they instead hook it up to a tool like Samsung Odin and flahs 10 devices at once...then remote sync the data..thats the standard security policy in corporations...

True, Samsung can decide to include some components that haven't been fully tested. But then you end up with the faulty GPS of the Galaxy S, and the faulty radios of the Nexus S 4G. I would certainly not call that an advantage.

Those are not because they are poorly tested Nexus S 4g uses the same chip as the Epic 4g for 4g..as for GPS..people are saying that what happened was Samsung planned to use Skyhook instead of Google for maps..at last minute samsung was forced to drop skyhook by Google and use Google for location based services..hence the poor GPS...also the GPS chip was not made by samsung...

See you have to see how it works...Samsung makes chip, tests chip, releases prototypes, sells chip, manufacturer uses chip..samsung on other hand can already use it at the prototype phase...

Plea bargain means he agreed to plead guilty and admit he committed a crime. Anyway, get off that whole "Korea avoided the recession" nonsense. Korea avoided the recession because the entire country is about half the size of a single state in the USA. I'm sure if you only count half of California, they would have skipped the recession too.

Population of South korea is 48,875,000..population of California is 37,253,956..if anything it makes it harder for them as they have no natrual resources...

CyanogemMod is a whole team of people. Clearly, you were wrong in your assesment of the Galaxy S and CM support. They just barely got the first CM7 nightly for a Galaxy S device a couple weeks ago. I posted the link. And this is with a whole team of developers.

They were working on multiple devices...not just one..and guess what TE WHOLE TEAM got SGS2 from them...

Man, you realize that hundreds or even thousands of people said they were getting an HTC phone when HTC agreed to open the bootloaders? Liek I said, Samsung is just playing catch up. You can bet there will be more custom ROMs for the HTC phones, just like there always has been. The Samsung is NOT a better phone. If it were, then they wouldn't have to give them away in order to get people to develop for them. It's not like these devs are a bunch of idiots who just don't know any better. They know which phones are the best and they buy the ones they want.

Actually most people buy things they are familiar with...brand effects people more then anything else..hence why Apple is doing so well...They gave them phones away as a marketing gimmick and its a good move on their part...

let me ask you this..if Samsung releases a Quad core phone at the same time the Evo 3d comes out..which one would you get?

Yes, HTC will sell more smartphones than Samsung. They will sell a LOT more smartphones than Samsung.

You do realize that the quarterly profits HTC just posted were about half of the quarterly profits Samsung posted in their best quarter ever, for the whole company- not just mobile. So you are out of your mind if you think Samsung is going to compete with HTC in this area. HTC is a MUCH larger phone manufacturer than Sansung.

You do realize that around 25% of all cellphones in the US are Samsung right? cause smartphones are not only phones there are...samsung also is 2nd largest cellphone manufacturer around the world behind Nokia...

Now in terms of smartphones..Samsung sold a record amount of SGS phone in the US..

HTC had total revenue of $3.5 billion earnings and $511 million profit..Samsung earned 2.85$ billion in just profit...

HTC cant be the only option forever..change comes..this year we have mroe choice of phones and OEMs then ever..so its progress whether you like it or not...

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

um..what o you need to know in terms of efficiency? blacks using up 0 energy is not a statement of efficiency?

No, it's not. Unless you compare ALL the energy it uses to ALL the energy of the SLCD.

Originally Posted by gTen

umm..75" compared to 13"..isnt that a bit stretching it? we are talking about same sized 4.3" phones..SGS2 has a 4.5" version too...

It's not stretching it at all. Like I said, the Sammy will flat out NEVER play a 3D video. They are not even remotely close.

Originally Posted by gTen

They make sub par cameras..both sgs and iphone camera completely destroy the evos camera..

They do not make sub par cameras. Their cameras are on par or even better than comparable phones. Are LG's better? No. Palms? No. Motorolas? No. Kyoceras? No. Your bias and HTC hatred is showing.

Originally Posted by gTen

3d front cam? it can display the higher resolution by connecting it via MHL...and as I said 3d is a gimmick tech..I remember watching jurrasic park in orlando in 3d cool..movies..cool..but I would never use it to record a video...neither would I use it on a small cellphone screen..I am telling you you have to see it in person..its nothing that great...

I have a 3D tv. You don't have to tell me about 3D. I'mm telling YOU about 3D. It absolutely will be on every tv in the next few years, just like HD. And the videos you recorded today are going to look like crap, just like old SD videos do now on an HD tv.

Originally Posted by gTen

your under impression that encryption means data cant be copied..it can with a password..anyways no IT person is gonna spend time using clockwork or amon ra or etc..they instead hook it up to a tool like Samsung Odin and flahs 10 devices at once...then remote sync the data..thats the standard security policy in corporations...

They wouldn't use clockwork, obviously. But they would absolutely do a nand backup and restore.

Originally Posted by gTen

Those are not because they are poorly tested Nexus S 4g uses the same chip as the Epic 4g for 4g..as for GPS..people are saying that what happened was Samsung planned to use Skyhook instead of Google for maps..at last minute samsung was forced to drop skyhook by Google and use Google for location based services..hence the poor GPS...also the GPS chip was not made by samsung...

More excuses, lol. The bottom line is Sansung puts out garbage when they try to rush. And fanboys like yourself can make all the excuses they want.

Originally Posted by gTen

See you have to see how it works...Samsung makes chip, tests chip, releases prototypes, sells chip, manufacturer uses chip..samsung on other hand can already use it at the prototype phase...

Right. And then when the bugs are found they are in the finished product, instead of the prototypes. Just like the GPS on the Galaxy S, and the radio on the Nexus S 4G.

Originally Posted by gTen

Population of South korea is 48,875,000..population of California is 37,253,956..if anything it makes it harder for them as they have no natrual resources...

California's population is 36,961,664, South Korea's is 48,747,000. Sources:
U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division - Google public data
World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data

So yeah, take half of California and half of New York and you have more population than South Korea, a way bigger economy, and no recession. Keep it in perspective.

Originally Posted by gTen

They were working on multiple devices...not just one..and guess what TE WHOLE TEAM got SGS2 from them...

Exactly. They were working on many devices, and yet Galaxy S wasn't one of them.

Originally Posted by gTen

Actually most people buy things they are familiar with...brand effects people more then anything else..hence why Apple is doing so well...They gave them phones away as a marketing gimmick and its a good move on their part...

Just stop man. Hillarious how many excuses you come up with. The devs creating these ROMs know darn well which phones are the best, and they buy what they want.

Originally Posted by gTen

let me ask you this..if Samsung releases a Quad core phone at the same time the Evo 3d comes out..which one would you get?

Let me ask you this: if HTC came out with a 12 core at the same time as the Galaxy S 2, which one would you get? What exactly does that have to do with anything? We're talking about 2 specific phones, not phones that don't exist yet.

Originally Posted by gTen

You do realize that around 25% of all cellphones in the US are Samsung right? cause smartphones are not only phones there are...samsung also is 2nd largest cellphone manufacturer around the world behind Nokia...

Not cellphones sold last year, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by gTen

Now in terms of smartphones..Samsung sold a record amount of SGS phone in the US..

Stillo nowhere near what HTC sold.

Originally Posted by gTen

HTC had total revenue of $3.5 billion earnings and $511 million profit..Samsung earned 2.85$ billion in just profit...

Wait, you mean this super company that you are slobering all over, Samsung, the greatest company in the history of the world the way you talk about them- made significantly less money than Apple? Maybe Samsung isn't as big as you thought they were.

Originally Posted by gTen

HTC cant be the only option forever..change comes..this year we have mroe choice of phones and OEMs then ever..so its progress whether you like it or not...

I agree that change comes and progress happens. Just don't forget which one of these companies is the one playing catch up. You are the one who said HTC was playing catch up. Clearly, Samsung is the one playing catch up.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

No, it's not. Unless you compare ALL the energy it uses to ALL the energy of the SLCD.

All the energy depends on what you view..no one can compare "all" the energy..you test certain scenarios...

It's not stretching it at all. Like I said, the Sammy will flat out NEVER play a 3D video. They are not even remotely close.

if you have a 3d video and you hook it up to a 3d screen..it will play 3d..its not rocket science...

They do not make sub par cameras. Their cameras are on par or even better than comparable phones. Are LG's better? No. Palms? No. Motorolas? No. Kyoceras? No. Your bias and HTC hatred is showing.

Palm and kyoceras rarely release devices..I have not looked at motorola cause they lock stuff..but I know for a fact Apple, Samsung, Nokia are better..
and since this turned out into a samsung vs HTC..Samsung has better cameras then HTC...

I have a 3D tv. You don't have to tell me about 3D. I'mm telling YOU about 3D. It absolutely will be on every tv in the next few years, just like HD. And the videos you recorded today are going to look like crap, just like old SD videos do now on an HD tv.

thats not true...HD is different..you have before programming at around 360p that was 4:3 and it got bumped up to 720p-1080p wide screen...3d is different..some things look cool in 3d others look worse in 3d...and having a 3d TV is different then having 3d on a phone..

They wouldn't use clockwork, obviously. But they would absolutely do a nand backup and restore.

no one in corporate world does nand backup on phones and restore...all you do is mass flash devices and sync via wire or ota...I mean ever hear of this thing called outlook and Microsoft exchange?

More excuses, lol. The bottom line is Sansung puts out garbage when they try to rush. And fanboys like yourself can make all the excuses they want.

Lets to a fanboy check..

ME: I am fine with any manufacturer as long as it fits my needs.
you: HTC and only HTC cause HTC invented everything...

Right. And then when the bugs are found they are in the finished product, instead of the prototypes. Just like the GPS on the Galaxy S, and the radio on the Nexus S 4G.

HTC phones dont come out bug free either..remember the Evo not being available due to faulty stock? and also the 30fps issue..and sd card issue and etc..all phones have their issues....the fact that the Nexus S 4g has the same chip as the Epic and performs worse is an indication that its not a hardware thing...the GPS has to do with skyhook thing..

California's population is 36,961,664, South Korea's is 48,747,000. Sources:
U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division - Google public data
World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data

So yeah, take half of California and half of New York and you have more population than South Korea, a way bigger economy, and no recession. Keep it in perspective.

Ironic you picked the 2 states with the worst economic issues...that said you realize that korea has no natural resources..this makes it harder..the size of the nation is irrelevant..

south korea is 38,691 sq miles, california is 163,696 sq miles..so Korea is 4x smaller then California...

Just stop man. Hillarious how many excuses you come up with. The devs creating these ROMs know darn well which phones are the best, and they buy what they want.

ok then lets test your knowledge a little..why did Google dump HTC for their Nexus line and go with Samsung?

Let me ask you this: if HTC came out with a 12 core at the same time as the Galaxy S 2, which one would you get?

I would get the HTC...

What exactly does that have to do with anything? We're talking about 2 specific phones, not phones that don't exist yet.

it shows that your avoiding my questions...I dont see why you dont want to give all manufacturers a fair chance...

Not cellphones sold last year, that's for sure.

Samsung is 2nd biggest cellphone company in the world..most people dont have smartphones..they have dumb phones..so its common sense that a smartphone manufacturer would not outsell a manufacturer that makes both...

Wait, you mean this super company that you are slobering all over, Samsung, the greatest company in the history of the world the way you talk about them- made significantly less money than Apple? Maybe Samsung isn't as big as you thought they were.

Samsung is not the greatest company in history...what I showed you was profit for samsung electric..not Samsung group..that said Apple is REALLY profitable..unlike other manufacturers Apple sells things at a premium..aka if you say buy a macbook with same hardware as a pc..it would cost you 2x more...their profit margins are just REALLY REALLY big...

I agree that change comes and progress happens. Just don't forget which one of these companies is the one playing catch up. You are the one who said HTC was playing catch up. Clearly, Samsung is the one playing catch up.

As I said before..everyone is playing catchup...whether it be Samsung or HTC or Apple and etc...no one company invents everything..there are companies that do things before you.. considering HTC is 1 company and there are THOUSANDS of companies in the business..obviouslly HTC would be playing catchup to SOMEBODY somewhere most of the time...if it were Samsung vs all other companies the same statement can be said...its not a hard concept...

[BlackDynamite]

I thought I was done replying to you, but I had to address this little tidbit of false information:

Originally Posted by gTen

if you have a 3d video and you hook it up to a 3d screen..it will play 3d..its not rocket science...

Flat out WRONG. If the device is not 3D capable, it will NOT play a 3D video when you connect it to a 3D TV. Again, you clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I thought I was done replying to you, but I had to address this little tidbit of false information:



Flat out WRONG. If the device is not 3D capable, it will NOT play a 3D video when you connect it to a 3D TV. Again, you clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what you're talking about.

its capable..

Samsung's Exynos 4210 flexes 3D gaming muscle at GDC 2011 (video) -- Engadget

any other facts you'd like to deny?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

its capable..

Samsung's Exynos 4210 flexes 3D gaming muscle at GDC 2011 (video) -- Engadget

any other facts you'd like to deny?

It is not capable, lol. You show some theoretical device using Samsung components and think that means the Galaxy S 2 will have 3D?

Again, you don't know what you're talking about man.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

It is not capable, lol. You show some theoretical device using Samsung components and think that means the Galaxy S 2 will have 3D?

Again, you don't know what you're talking about man.

Its called a prototype of the processor..the "3d capability" you speak of is within the "processor"..its in the "processor" on the Qualcomm 8x60 which is used in Evo3d

Mobile Processors | Snapdragon | Qualcomm

Its in the processor inside the Tegra 2.5:

Nvidia's new Tegra 2.5 chip to be 3D capable

Its in the new OMAP processor used in Optimus 3d..

and its in the Exynos processor used by the SGS2..

Whats there not to understand?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

Its called a prototype of the processor..the "3d capability" you speak of is within the "processor"..its in the "processor" on the Qualcomm 8x60 which is used in Evo3d

Mobile Processors | Snapdragon | Qualcomm

Its in the processor inside the Tegra 2.5:

Nvidia's new Tegra 2.5 chip to be 3D capable

Its in the new OMAP processor used in Optimus 3d..

and its in the Exynos processor used by the SGS2..

Whats there not to understand?

What's not to understand? Well the fact that there is more to 3D than just the processor is a good start.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

What's not to understand? Well the fact that there is more to 3D than just the processor is a good start.

Do you have evidence to back up this claim? your just being silly now..