Touch or Mogul, undecisive!

[almighty]

the iphone memory is a strange and hard thing to find... one very good friend of mine who is a mac addict told me 192 mb strange odd number but he knows his stuff and is a pc security technician that runs a sizeable data center solo. on the other hand 128 sounds alot more realistic and some support to the theory is in the link below... one thing that ruins this links credibility is the last statement "I can't even imagine what OS X these days would be like running on 128 MB of RAM"
obviously this guy does not understand what a mobile OS is and that osx is just the base system


http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-and-cpu-speed

[wickedklown]

Originally Posted by jah_rankin

k, here goes, I have a mogul that's 4 days old from a Centro exchange and is contemplating whether to make the switch to a Touch within 30 days. I know theres a lot of Touch vs Mogul here but I'm more in need of in depth info. I've tried pix mail and TV tweak on Mogul that worked fine @ first, then stopped working with with no luck, I have power vision and unlimited text for free, as a retention bonus, and would hate to loose those function being that is free, I like the Wifi feature but is not in need of it mandatary due to free data plan, with these in mind, Are the Mogul updates worth waiting for, or the custom roms worth making this phone a keeper ? or should I run with the touch while time is available?

Well, my advice is search the bug's and complaints threads for both and compare them with the facts, flaws and shortcomings. If you ask people's opinions your gonna get the die hards on both ends plus people that are 1. Pissed that they dropped so much money on a device with flaws OR 2. Pissed that they switched to another phone when they shoulda kept the original both needing comfort and assurance that it was the "right" decision.

[jah_rankin]

I was under the impression that only the ATT version of the Mogul is WIFI card capable???









like I stated, people have to determine if WIFI/keyboard is a necessity or luxury. Based on your answer, make your decision. BUT if I have a Touch, and later on find out I may NEED wifi... then I'll purchse the WIFI SD card, simple as that.[/quote]

[slypher]

I only want to provide my opinion because someone's opinion assisted me in taking a chance with the Mogul (when i dropped the 6700 for the Q) and now in trying out the Touch.

I went with the Mogul because i heard that many of the flaws of the 6700 were fixed. Well this was partly true, there are still some issues (BlueTooth for instance) that still plague the device. I'm not sure why BT is such a problem for HTC phones but i speculate that WiFi and BT sharing the same radio may have something to do with it.

I'm no engineer and i have no proof to back that up, except that the Touch has a phenomenally better BT setup. I tested it and the person on the other end had no idea that i was on a headset at all, much less a BT headset.

Same headset with the Mogul, lots of drop outs.

Now as many others said, the decision comes down to what you can live without.

Personally, i can live without a hard keyboard and wifi. Once you get a really good software keyboard (or a set of keyboards ) you may be able to adjust to the Touch. Also look into an app like AEB Button Plus which allows you to assign up to four functions to each of the very limited buttons on the touch.

If you can't, go with the Mogul, until a new model is released with more Ram.

It took me one day with the Touch to decide that i will be shipping Sprint my Mogul (they offered an exchange).

I was honestly skeptical of the Touch and thought that i wouldn't be able to get used to it. You won't know which is best for you, until you try.

My $.02

-s

[substring]

Originally Posted by slypher

...I went with the Mogul because i heard that many of the flaws of the 6700 were fixed...

What flaws? I have no problem with my XV6700 whatsoever. The only complaint I have is the incompatibility with Rev A.

Originally Posted by slypher

...Same headset with the Mogul, lots of drop outs.

Again, I never have such problem, and I am using a Jabra BT headset with my XV6700. By the way, the drop calls could be because of the network coverage and not the Bluetooth.

Originally Posted by slypher

...Personally, i can live without a hard keyboard and wifi. Once you get a really good software keyboard (or a set of keyboards ) you may be able to adjust to the Touch. Also look into an app like AEB Button Plus which allows you to assign up to four functions to each of the very limited buttons on the touch.

Keep in mind that emails are not the only things that need typing. Will these onscreen keyboards work with MS Excel, MS Word, and so on? With half of the screen or most of the screen covered up by the onscreen keyboard, will you be able to see what you are entering and the proper format?

I will keep an open mind as the Touch et el seem to be nice devices, but I have to see it to believe it.

[sj808]

Originally Posted by jah_rankin

I was under the impression that only the ATT version of the Mogul is WIFI card capable???









like I stated, people have to determine if WIFI/keyboard is a necessity or luxury. Based on your answer, make your decision. BUT if I have a Touch, and later on find out I may NEED wifi... then I'll purchse the WIFI SD card, simple as that.

[/QUOTE]



I dont know what you mean..... BUT:


-Mogul has built-in Wifi

-Touch doesn't

.... but you can buy a SD Wifi Card for the Touch.

[jah_rankin]

I was informd that only the ATT version of the touch uses wifi cards, not the cdma version ?

[slypher]

Originally Posted by substring

What flaws? I have no problem with my XV6700 whatsoever. The only complaint I have is the incompatibility with Rev A.
Again, I never have such problem, and I am using a Jabra BT headset with my XV6700. By the way, the drop calls could be because of the network coverage and not the Bluetooth.
Keep in mind that emails are not the only things that need typing. Will these onscreen keyboards work with MS Excel, MS Word, and so on? With half of the screen or most of the screen covered up by the onscreen keyboard, will you be able to see what you are entering and the proper format?

I will keep an open mind as the Touch et el seem to be nice devices, but I have to see it to believe it.

You know, you raised an interesting point, i never thought about how i would use ms word or excel with the touch. I guess i'll cross that bridge when i get to it.

The 6700 does have flaws, hence the release of the 6800. Don't get me wrong the 6700 is a great device, especially with all the custom roms out there and the many fixes that are out there, but a stock 6700 has a lot of issues.

Unfortunately the drop outs that i experienced only happened with a BT headset and i could recreate them at will using most of the stock Roms (the Alltel one seemed to have the best BT performance) When i held the handset while talking or used the wired headset in the same areas, no problems or drop outs.

Bottom line, the Touch is not for everyone, which is why i say to try it first before you drop any money or start emailing Sprint to have them send you one.

-s

[steps]

Originally Posted by almighty

the iphone memory is a strange and hard thing to find... one very good friend of mine who is a mac addict told me 192 mb strange odd number but he knows his stuff and is a pc security technician that runs a sizeable data center solo. on the other hand 128 sounds alot more realistic and some support to the theory is in the link below... one thing that ruins this links credibility is the last statement "I can't even imagine what OS X these days would be like running on 128 MB of RAM"
obviously this guy does not understand what a mobile OS is and that osx is just the base system


http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-and-cpu-speed

MAC OS based computers have always had strange amounts of RAM. I believe since MAC used to (or still do) had memory built onto the mobo and also had ram slots. OS X on a mac with 128mb is SLOW AS HELL!!! With slightly more ram (32mb) it ran much faster.

[Chef Ben]

Originally Posted by sj808

put it like this.... I say 80% of touch owners are EX-Mogul users. That should tell you one thing.


Second off, the whole keyboard thing isn't a big issue as the Mogul users make it out to be. Here's a tip for those typing on the Touch, have the landscape rotation assigned to the hardware button. Anytime you type something, just press the button and use a keyboard like happy tapping or Pocket CM.... this will be like typing on the Mogul hardware keyboard except you can't "feel the keys out". Some even say that full screen keyboard makes the experience better. I don't even know why people are saying its only made for One hand typing. The strict usage of the onscreen keyboard is something different and new. It just takes time to get use to. With the landscape method, I type as fast as I did when using a Mogul, Sidekick or Treo.


Again, this is a coming from a businessman that emails and text more then he calls... and when there is vocal usage, 98% of his calls are on a BT headset. I would pick the Touch over the Mogul anyday based on not having irritating moments like my Mogul froze up due to memory usage or I have to switch to the handset because the other person complaining the BT signal sucks or I have to flash the newest custom rom hoping it solves my problem. There's more people happy with the Touch then people that are happy with the Mogul.


Touch Highlights:
1) Tons of memory to work with (opening multiple programs with no problem)
2) Near perfect bluetooth
3) better "out of the box" interface
4) out of the box BT voice dialing
5) No need of being patient for a ROM
6) EVDO is good enough for not needing Wifi
7) Small and sleek
Stereo AD2P out of the box (hearsay?? I will find out when my 855 comes in)


Mogul Highlights:
1) QWERTY Keyboard
2) Wifi
3) A better camera then the Touch, but its still a crappy phone camera with a useless wannabe flash.
4) Alot of room for tweaking and installing more programs for making the Mogul experience enjoyable
5) The ability to gain patience waiting on a official ROM to solve all the CONS



I'm sorry to bash the mogul so much but I just can't suggest to buy it... I feel like you'll be dissapointed big time. All these mogul users use the first 3 highlights I listed as the justification of keeping that demonic device. LOL.... but when you seriously snap to reality and look at it, all 3 things are not a good enough reason to keep the mogul. I'm sorry.


Remember, this is a businessman (who types ALOT of texts and emails and cruises the internet) saying this... Touch>Mogul. All these people say the Mogul is for businessmen and the Touch is for entertainment.....Forget all of that. They both have the same OS and near the same potential capabilities, except the touch has more memory... making it have MORE potential. Alot of people(not all) that are claiming the mogul is better only USED the Touch and haven't own it. As you can see, alot of people that have both devices will suggest Touch over the mogul. Please be analytical on this whole thread and put the two and two together.


I suggest the Treos or the the Moto Q over the Mogul...

Sorry but I don't have the hands of a girl scout. It's hard for me to type on the screen of my phone. I always slide it out unless the message is short enough to use the transcriber or SPB KB. The Mogul is the perfect size and does everything I need it to do...and does it well.