htc touch gps

[stevedog1]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

Ok if u insist. I want more people to read it though well anyways here's just a simple explanation why. Most of the phones that have GPS chip in it uses A-GPS technology. I know your familiar with that already. A-GPS has 4 types including the standalone. Standalone does not need a data plan. If u don't have AT&T tilt, moto Q9c and blackberry device, U don't have a standalone chip on ur phone. So for the rest of us, we will pay for data. U ask why do we need data? Well this is how it works. The GPS satellite will locate ur position. The satellite then communicate with cell towers about ur whereabout. Then the info will be processed at a nearby A-GPS servers. The A-GPS servers will then transfer the computed data to ur phone. Now you ask, Why does the A-GPS server do the computations? Because they have a significantly more powerful processors than ur phone.It's faster when they do the computations. And most importantly, To save your batery. It will drain your batery doing this calculations. Now U ask, So where the data plan comes in place. Here's your answer. How will the A-GPS servers transfer the DATA to ur phone? here are your options, Voice plan? text messaging plan? Or DATA plan? Now you tell me how to transfer Data to your phone if the answer is not in the 3 options? yah digg? if U do. Hit that T.

Dude....I have a Mogul and a reburbished Touch that are neither activated, and I activated the GPS through custom ROMS, and the GPS on BOTH work and work well with TOMTOM 6 installed. SO, you are very wrong about needing a data plan, or even needing cellular service at ALL.

[mispook08]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

Ok if u insist. I want more people to read it though well anyways here's just a simple explanation why. Most of the phones that have GPS chip in it uses A-GPS technology. I know your familiar with that already. A-GPS has 4 types including the standalone. Standalone does not need a data plan. If u don't have AT&T tilt, moto Q9c and blackberry device, U don't have a standalone chip on ur phone. So for the rest of us, we will pay for data. U ask why do we need data? Well this is how it works. The GPS satellite will locate ur position. The satellite then communicate with cell towers about ur whereabout. Then the info will be processed at a nearby A-GPS servers. The A-GPS servers will then transfer the computed data to ur phone. Now you ask, Why does the A-GPS server do the computations? Because they have a significantly more powerful processors than ur phone.It's faster when they do the computations. And most importantly, To save your batery. It will drain your batery doing this calculations. Now U ask, So where the data plan comes in place. Here's your answer. How will the A-GPS servers transfer the DATA to ur phone? here are your options, Voice plan? text messaging plan? Or DATA plan? Now you tell me how to transfer Data to your phone if the answer is not in the 3 options? yah digg? if U do. Hit that T.

I have to disagree. I am running iGo right now, minimizing and connecting to the internet via PIE at the same time. When I switch back and forth between the two programs I am still connected to my satellites.

[jethro_static]

third type of A-GPS
MS Assisted - Your handset is connected to the network, uses GPS signals + a location signal then relays its 'fix' to the server, which then uses the signal strength from your phone to the network towers to further plot your position. You can still maintain voice communication in this scenario, but not 'Internet/Network service' ie Web Browser, IM, streaming TV etc..

[jethro_static]

As for all u that don't know. The GPS chip on your phone was not made for navigation purposes. It is a requirement from e911. Cellphones has GPS chips in it eversince 2002. e911 requires that. But ur carrier locked it because it's not for u to use. It's for 911 to locate the distress call and relay it to the dispatcheer. When people found out about a GPS chip on the phone, They wanna use it as navigation tool coz it cool. GPS on my phone. Well tell you what. Who's gonna pay for the maintenance of the A-GPS servers that give u info if U use it for free? If U want a real GPS that does not need data plan, Buy garmin, tomtom magellan etc.

[GT!]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

As for all u that don't know. The GPS chip on your phone was not made for navigation purposes. It is a requirement from e911. Cellphones has GPS chips in it eversince 2002. e911 requires that. But ur carrier locked it because it's not for u to use. It's for 911 to locate the distress call and relay it to the dispatcheer. When people found out about a GPS chip on the phone, They wanna use it as navigation tool coz it cool. GPS on my phone. Well tell you what. Who's gonna pay for the maintenance of the A-GPS servers that give u info if U use it for free? If U want a real GPS that does not need data plan, Buy garmin, tomtom magellan etc.

I'm pretty skeptical. Do you have anything to support your statements?

-GT

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by GT!

I'm pretty skeptical. Do you have anything to support your statements?

-GT

yes I do. But the thing is, This is not the right thread to post it though. I've researched this because people here are telling people the wrong infos. I will give one though.
http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gp...vigation.shtml
here is a link on sprint navigation software. You will see there what U need. data shared plan. I know ur next question. That is sprint software! I use tomtom garmin etc. software. Well, what method does ur tomtom garmin software does that is different with sprint software, That does not require U a data plan? This application is for GPS enabled phones including ur moguls.

GPS chipset required in device. (All Sprint phones sold since Jan 2002 have the GPS chipset. Contact your Sprint account representative for additional information.)
taken from:
https://sfl.sprintpcs.com/finder-spr...tm?question=34

[tlcasper]

I have the bell version of the HTC Touch with Garmin XT installed. Just spent a week in the far north where there is zero coverage, nothing. And I had accurate SAT. lock anytime I fired it up. After reading your post I put the phone in airplane mode then fired up Garmin, locked in under 2 minutes.

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by tlcasper

I have the bell version of the HTC Touch with Garmin XT installed. Just spent a week in the far north where there is zero coverage, nothing. And I had accurate SAT. lock anytime I fired it up. After reading your post I put the phone in airplane mode then fired up Garmin, locked in under 2 minutes.

Ur GPS chip is different from ur radio. The satellite will still locate U but u cannot navigate if there is no way a data can access ur phone. The only way a satellite cannot lock on u is if U turn off ur phone completely.

Try this my brother, Put ur phone on flight mode then try to update ur weather. A simple application like that requires a data transfer isn't it?

[mike9191]

If you can enable the GPS thru a custom rom then you would not need a data plan. If you wait for the official upgrade you will need to add either a data plan that includes GPS or a separate GPS add on thru sprint. Right now for that phone , there is no option available for either way, but I cant see sprint allowing GPS to function thru an upgrade without figuring out a way to make a buck. GPS cant be purchased thru sprint since they have very few non blackberry phones that have GPS. They have managed to bundle GPS in a vision plan with other goodies like TV, and music.....Mike ( sprint customer care rep )

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by mike9191

If you can enable the GPS thru a custom rom then you would not need a data plan. If you wait for the official upgrade you will need to add either a data plan that includes GPS or a separate GPS add on thru sprint. Right now for that phone , there is no option available for either way, but I cant see sprint allowing GPS to function thru an upgrade without figuring out a way to make a buck. GPS cant be purchased thru sprint since they have very few non blackberry phones that have GPS. They have managed to bundle GPS in a vision plan with other goodies like TV, and music.....Mike ( sprint customer care rep )

Mike, The custom rom that will enable the GPS came from leaked rom. it is not written on scratched. This came from the carriers itself. Carriers decide if U can use the full potential of the chip or not. And besides, All cell phone chips is A-GPS. There's nothing else. So eventhough u have enable it urself, U will only make it a standalone A-GPS. I list example of phones with standalone A-GPS capabilities on my earlier posts. This is not very good either coz the chip inside is weak. Most phones GPS chip are made by qualcom hence it's called GPS one. The only way U can Use a GPS chip without the help of a cell tower is the one with SIRF III chipsets. These chipsets are highly sensitive and do the onboard computing. This is not on our cell phone because this chips are expensive. Phones eversince 2002 from sprint has GPS chips already which the main purpose is a requirement for e911 to pinpoint ur location. You do not need data plans on these cheap phone because the only reason it's there is to find ur whereaouts. It does not transmit any info on the phone from A-GPS server. Carriers locked this and did not make any software to use it as a navigation device.