in responce to the driver problem we have

[dew.man]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

LOL i guess you missed the whole part where SLINGBOX USES DIRECTDRAW- you know that little feature youre preaching wasnt promised blah blah blah. Thats how they do things, not their fault HTC f-ed it up.

So wait now the sd card was PROMISED to work right, yet video wasnt? What kind of flip flop logic is that. you cant have an implied promise one thing works and not another. SO if the sd card drivers are half-a** and causing the corruption problem then can i say "it was never a promised feature! deal with it" too?

Once again, why aren't you complaining to SLingBox to write better software? And where on the box/advertisement did Sprint say that DirectDraw will perform at a certain level?

[eehrhard]

Originally Posted by atoy74

BUT, my main point is that a new/better model is implied to perform better. If you purchased a new PC with an Nvidia video card you should expect driver support and that it out performs your 2yr old PC.

While it is true that a model should outperfom its predecessors it is not a promise (ever try Windows ME?) The video card analogy isnt great because while yes it should probably perform better in video. Did your new Nvidia add bluetooth audio, 2M cam and all the other things that did get better?

I still say you all had a chance to test drive your phones for a min of 14 days and probably 30 days. If you had a PPC6700 and you feel that it performs better than the 6800 or 6900 you are test drivng why are you upgrading?

[Donatom3]

Originally Posted by eehrhard

Generally speaking the more a device tries to do the worse it is at doing all of it. I want my phone to excel a being a PDA and a phone first and formost. If these new drivers reduced my battery life I may have to skip them anyway.

Actually having the correct hardware support for video would make the phone run better overall, especially in terms of battery life. Right now your main processor is doing double duty crunching numbers and processing 2d output including any windows. It is a highly known fact that any dedicated GPU can process much more video data at a lower clock speed than any cpu. I forget the exact numbers but when GPUs first came out it was something like a 100mhz GPU could process DVD(Mpeg2) video easier than a 1ghz Pentium 3 could. Now just imagine the power difference between those two devices and translate that to a device that only has an 1100mah power source.

Originally Posted by dew.man

I just don't understand why there's so much more talk about the video performace rather than the SD bug (which was a promissed feature)...

Any why are the SlingBox people blaming the HTC device rather than demanding better software from SlingBox? My Orb streams withouth any hickups via TCPMP...

With TCPMP you can choose which rendering method is used. I'm sure you don't have your TCPMP set to DirectDraw. DirectDraw in the windows world whether it be desktop or mobile is a standard. SlingBox's software is using the DirectDraw acceleration, but because HTC's DirectDraw drivers aren't linking to the hardware you're getting software rendering of video.

Originally Posted by dew.man

So what about the Video Out capabilities of the chipset? Are we entitled to an RCA video out jack?



In many ways, some of my old laptops with Windows 98 will out perform/run circles around my brand new one with Vista.

We aren't entitled to the RCA Video Out Jack. The chip that supports the jack is a feature of the board, but the jack itself is not a standard of the MSM 7X00 boards.

A more apples to apples example would be if your old laptop and your new one both ran the same operating system and the old laptop performed just as well or better than the new one.

[Donatom3]

Originally Posted by klurf8881

LOL i guess you missed the whole part where SLINGBOX USES DIRECTDRAW- you know that little feature youre preaching wasnt promised blah blah blah. Thats how they do things, not their fault HTC f-ed it up.

So wait now the sd card was PROMISED to work right, yet video wasnt? What kind of flip flop logic is that. you cant have an implied promise one thing works and not another. SO if the sd card drivers are half-a** and causing the corruption problem then can i say "it was never a promised feature! deal with it" too? No one ever promised you card wouldnt go corrupt once a week....oh wait you ASSUME it will work based on the technology....hmmmm.....

Well plus the whole card logic is a bit harder to pin down on HTC because it could easily be blamed on the card your using. Remember even though SDHC standard can go up to 16gb HTC did only advertise the phone as being capable of 2gb cards. Now more than likely using logic you'd think well this phone uses the SDHC standard so any SDHC card should work, and you'd be right. I've had no problems with my 4gb SHDC from SanDisk, but again HTC could easily write this off as a problem with your specific SDHC card and who knows they may be right.

[atoy74]

Originally Posted by eehrhard

I played with it for 30 days and knew that the video performance was not great. I also agree that a newer phone should out perform its predecessors but all the carriers let you test drive these phones. If you dont like it get a different phone. Its not real hard.

I agree. It's different when you find out the poor performance is not due to immature software build or system bug but an actual omission by the manufacturer. In the computer biz we all live off patches and service packs. One thing is waiting for a fix to come the other is finding out that there will never be one and "the next model will fix everything, go get that one"

Originally Posted by eehrhard

I dont think HTC selecting a chipset is promising us anything. If you look at the chip diagram there is a spot on there for TV out. Are we bitching an moaning that our phones do not have a svideo out or a rca out? Qualcomm is designing a chip to do as much as possible and appeal to as many companys as possible. HTC has a business model to follow. If it was going to take too long or cost too much to add feature x then fiscally they have to make a decision to add or not add said feature. I am guessing that HTC would not cripple a device on purpose just to piss you guys off. HTC would probably love for all of the phones they offer to have Wifi, 3D hell WiMax but its not always possiblel. I'm not a HTC shill or anything I think they could do alot of good just saying that they are working on it.

Again, this is not a large marquee type feature that they've disabled (such as wifi, gps, REV.A, etc) but a very technical/detailed chipset ability that most individuals would have not have any idea to look for. That DOES NOT mean that it shouldn't impact a user or a user should not expect the proper performance from their "state-of-the-art" device.

Originally Posted by eehrhard

I personally love my mogul. I love what it can do and what i cannot do obviously was not a deal breaker for me. I honestly really do not want to game or watch movies on my phone. Maybe a short clip, Youtube or a game of Zuma or Bejeweled but If I want an enjoyable multimedia experience I am 10 out of 10 times either using my PSP or my Ipod Touch.

Generally speaking the more a device tries to do the worse it is at doing all of it. I want my phone to excel a being a PDA and a phone first and formost. If these new drivers reduced my battery life I may have to skip them anyway.

I'm glad you feel that way. It shows that this driver issue doesn't really affect you. On the other hand, my Touch has replaced many devices including my Ipod. It has become the media centric device many have been waiting for.

[eehrhard]

Originally Posted by Donatom3

Actually having the correct hardware support for video would make the phone run better overall, especially in terms of battery life. Right now your main processor is doing double duty crunching numbers and processing 2d output including any windows. It is a highly known fact that any dedicated GPU can process much more video data at a lower clock speed than any cpu. I forget the exact numbers but when GPUs first came out it was something like a 100mhz GPU could process DVD(Mpeg2) video easier than a 1ghz Pentium 3 could. Now just imagine the power difference between those two devices and translate that to a device that only has an 1100mah power source.

I was not disputing that at all. I am saying in generall multipurpose devices generally do not excel in all of thier functions. Even if the horsepower was there to watch divx movies above the 10 or so frames per second that mine gets I still dont want to watch a movie on a 320x240 crappy screen. I carry a backpack with me everywhere. I always have my psp and ipod with me so for me its a nonissue.

[Donatom3]

Originally Posted by atoy74

Again, this is not a large marquee type feature that they've disabled (such as wifi, gps, REV.A, etc) but a very technical/detailed chipset ability that most individuals would have not have any idea to look for. That DOES NOT mean that it shouldn't impact a user or a user should not expect the proper performance from their "state-of-the-art" device.

Actually the difference is this. WiFi is not something that was disabled. If you look at the MSM 7x00 diagram it is NOT part of the chipset, only the interface where the wifi radio/chip can be integrated is part of the chipset. GPS is part of the chipset. Rev.A is completely carrier dependent though. The board is capable of that speed, but it is actually up to the carrier to turn that on.

Originally Posted by eehrhard

I was not disputing that at all. I am saying in generall multipurpose devices generally do not excel in all of thier functions. Even if the horsepower was there to watch divx movies above the 10 or so frames per second that mine gets I still dont want to watch a movie on a 320x240 crappy screen. I carry a backpack with me everywhere. I always have my psp and ipod with me so for me its a nonissue.

And that's a good point. No matter how high rez your video is you're still watching it on a 320x240 screen. Personally I prefer to watch my videos on my laptop my zune or on my 360 through my TV. I was actually more going to the point that these drivers being enabled would actually help everyone out with just battery life whether they use video 3d, or just plain old phone usage.

[eehrhard]

Originally Posted by atoy74

I'm glad you feel that way. It shows that this driver issue doesn't really affect you. On the other hand, my Touch has replaced many devices including my Ipod. It has become the media centric device many have been waiting for.

If the touch can satisfy your multimedia needs then great but you still did have your chance to test it out run it though your tests and make sure it met your needs. I hope these drivers come out to make our phones better just like you. My only point is to feel like HTC owes us something is misguided.

[htcphone]

Theres a simple solution. Make a driver that works. As for the lap dog comments.. I agree with them.

[atoy74]

Originally Posted by dew.man

In many ways, some of my old laptops with Windows 98 will out perform/run circles around my brand new one with Vista.

That's an extremely weak argument and you're skewing my example to make yours.

Apples to apples - Try running vista on your old laptop and watch how much faster your new laptop feels compared.

More apples to apples - My smartphone from 2 yrs ago could only do a fraction of what I ask my phone to do today.

All for a driver??? Seems like a big trade off considering it's there under the hood.