Titanium or Manila...?

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by brushrop03

Umm software can most certainly drain your battery

I agree, but I don't find any noticeable difference in battery life between TF3D 2.1 Rhodium (which I love) & Titanium which I hate as long as your BG running programs are the same in both setups.

~John

Originally Posted by jmorton10

I agree, but I don't find any noticeable difference in battery life between TF3D 2.1 Rhodium (which I love) & Titanium which I hate as long as your BG running programs are the same in both setups.

~John

LoL. I felt his hatred with the bold.

Only thing I like about Titanium is that you can see your BG easier

[krohnjw]

Originally Posted by Asphyx

Manila doesn't drain any more battery than titanium unless you use one of the features Manila has that Titanium doesn't which is Push Internet!

You can have Manila prefetch webpages you use a lot and save you time NOT downloading when you go to look at them!

Battery drain is due to hardware use and only if you use things like GPS trackers, lots of data and talk a lot. then you will burn your battery.

But software doesn't drain power unless it is using some radio or hardware port in the device.

IE:
Heavy use of gsensor (play teeter or rotate your screen automatically).
GPS Tracker which needs to not only keep the GPS reciever and com port running but also has to upload data to the site that is showing everyone where you are...

So lets not put out false info here...

It most certainly can if it is doing any sort of operations or updating in the background to present an updated interface when the screen is refreshed/turned on even if the radio is not being used. CPU Operations == power consumption == battery drain. Run a bunch of mathematical operations in the bg all day and watch power consumption go up.

Both Titanium and TF3D were set to manual update of weather no BT or GPS except when needed. Syncing with Exchange as items arrive (work). Setups and usage are identical (light use).

Over 4 days with TF3D I couldn't make it through a work day without charging the phone or finding it around 20-30% battery at the end of the day. The battery drain was quite pronounced (2.1) whereas I've never encountered this issue with Titanium and can even stretch 1+ days out of it if necessary before the battery drains to 20% or less.

So you can cite false information all you want, but software can and does contribute to battery drain. TF3D is a piece of software that runs on top of the Today screen and runs in the background when the screen is off. Whether or not it's a TF3D configuration issue is quite debatable (TF3D doesn't offer me anything of use that warrants trying it any longer), but the fact that software can drain the battery without using the Radio or GPS is really not something other than fact.

[brownhornet]

I stick with manila... not a fan of titanium at all.

[bmb2n]

Titanium is still in its infancy. Pretty much useless except less resourceful. Manila is so much useful.

[redd214]

i use both depending on the day and what i need to get done/how i feel

If winmo wasn't so ugly under the hood I might have preferred titanium
Good thing manila is soooo much more than just a homescreen

[dai_shan]

I'm drawn to the layout of Titanium and I really want to use it, but for right now, I find it useless. Texting, Emailing, Appointments, all are much much more cumbersome than in Manila. I keep trying it out after a new ROM flash and I keep switching right back to TF3d2 after only a few hours. And yes, I've tried all the different panel plugins, and no, they're still no there yet.

Actually, if it wasn't for TFDetacher or SecondToday, neither UI would be very effective. Although ugly, the Today Screen is mighty efficient (as a scoundrel once said: "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. Besides, I've added some special modifications myself").

Now I do envision Titanium eventually morphing into the ZuneHD type interface. Tap on Texting panel, takes you to the texting screen, quickly swipe through texts. Tap on individual text, shows the thread. All without exiting the Titanium/Zune UI and definitely without seeing Poutlook (I want poutlook to be a Milford man, neither seen nor heard). Etc, for all the other panels.

[Asphyx]

It most certainly can if it is doing any sort of operations or updating in the background to present an updated interface when the screen is refreshed/turned on even if the radio is not being used. CPU Operations == power consumption == battery drain. Run a bunch of mathematical operations in the bg all day and watch power consumption go up.

I'll say it again for those who are so devoted to 6.5 that they will make up all sorts of stories to try to get people to use a buggy OS...

The SOFTWARE does not use a voltage!!!!! the HARDWARE does!!!
It does not take any more power to run program A than it does to run program B.

The difference is in what the two softwares do and that is all about the settings!

TF3D only eats more battery if you have it checking for email every 5 mins and run push internet. Other than that it does not use any extra power or hardware functions. More Ram yes! But thats becuase it displays a hell of a lot more information than Titanium does! As for updating in the background well unless you have push internet and 5 min mail enabled there is nothing for TF3D to update when idle or suspended. No more than titanium does. Weather doesn't update when your not on that tab...SMS updates the same no matter what your running.

I have run probably 20 different flavors of 6.5 and Im never ONCE got more battery life...if anything I got less because I spent so much battery power resetting a crashed beta interface.

Now this is the point where some 6.5 fanboy says but it's the future you need to use it to be current!

to which I say stability is more important than keeping up with MS' release schedule!

[krohnjw]

Originally Posted by Asphyx

I'll say it again for those who are so devoted to 6.5 that they will make up all sorts of stories to try to get people to use a buggy OS...

The SOFTWARE does not use a voltage!!!!! the HARDWARE does!!!
It does not take any more power to run program A than it does to run program B.

The difference is in what the two softwares do and that is all about the settings!

TF3D only eats more battery if you have it checking for email every 5 mins and run push internet. Other than that it does not use any extra power or hardware functions. More Ram yes! But thats becuase it displays a hell of a lot more information than Titanium does! As for updating in the background well unless you have push internet and 5 min mail enabled there is nothing for TF3D to update when idle or suspended. No more than titanium does. Weather doesn't update when your not on that tab...SMS updates the same no matter what your running.

I have run probably 20 different flavors of 6.5 and Im never ONCE got more battery life...if anything I got less because I spent so much battery power resetting a crashed beta interface.

Now this is the point where some 6.5 fanboy says but it's the future you need to use it to be current!

to which I say stability is more important than keeping up with MS' release schedule!

You can compare WM 6.1 to 6.5 all you like but that is not the comparison nor the statement made.

The statement

"The SOFTWARE does not use a voltage!!!!! the HARDWARE does!!!
It does not take any more power to run program A than it does to run program B."

is both incorrect and correct! Hardware IS the part that causes battery drain, but 2 programs can VASTLY use the same hardware differently!

If software A does nothing but load a simple interface and sit and software B loads the same simple interface but performs many other CPU operations (perhaps gathering data or simple doing math to do math!) then software B will indeed drain the battery faster.

Performing CPU operations, retrieving and storing data from memory (RAM, NVRAM or any sort of solid state or hard disk) and drawing/redrawing the UI *USES THE HARDWARE*. The hardware here is the CPU, the BUS, RAM, Disk (Solid state in the case of the TP) or any other peripheral queried.

These operations range from the simple of reading files (registry/hive entries or config files if not cached in memory) to the more abstract of the memory manager swapping out dirty pages to retrieve data requested by a program (now you're using both disk and RAM) as well as the arithmetic operations that have to happen to make everything work. These are things you don't even see. Throw in graphical operations rendered on the CPU (or the GPU if supported) and you are using more hardware! All of this costs power - and the amount of which varies by the number of operations done by a program the number of which generally increases with their complexity - 1 command != 1 CPU operation, as well as the number of other pieces of hardware touched to get the job done (Does the program need to hit disk or query a device for status). Rendering a complex interface generally requires more operations than a simple interface and hence will use more power.

Now, the merit of how *much* more power can be debated between any 2 programs but to simply state that any 2 programs not using the Radio/GPS/Gyro use the same amount of power is either dishonest or uninformed.

The difference is in what the two softwares do and that is all about the settings

This is not entirely true - 2 pieces of software can accomplish the exact same task with varying levels of inefficiency. Efficient code will require far fewer operations than VERY inefficient code which will lead to increased CPU time (due to requiring more operations) and as a result more power will need to be consumed to do the same task. As they say you can paint a turd gold but it's still a turd. You could tweak the settings to your heart's content for our 2 fictional applications above and you'd always end up with the inefficient code requiring more power (assuming the same configs) as you can't change the op code of the compiled binary.

Apply that to TF3D and Titanium and there could be a large difference in the number of operations required to perform a task (such as a screen redraw) or there could be a negligible difference (without some sort of utility to measure it's all speculation). But it is wholly possible for one to "use" more power to accomplish the same task as the other.

I'll say it again for those who are so devoted to 6.5 that they will make up all sorts of stories to try to get people to use a buggy OS...

None of this is a story of any sort - feel free to debunk any of the above if you would like.