Horrible Shutter lag

[Raging Idiot]

Originally Posted by midiology

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so if someone could find out how to permanantly set the ccd device to 15 or 20 frames per second reguardless of lighting conditions then the phone would take clearer pictures with less blur,, but the tradeoff is in darker conditions the picture would be very dark,,,,

so lets see what we can do...

^^^^^^^^^^
yes..what he said.
That is essentially what needs to be asked around to maximize the exposure of the issue to ensure a quality answer. Right now with all the speedy responses it's quickly getting pushed into the darkness.

[meanbastard]

Originally Posted by veetvoojagig

If getting action pics is that important, here's a thought, don't use a cell phone, use a DSLR

I have a Canon D-Rebel and I love it for taking images, lol.

Although I couldn't imagine the cost of Canon (or Nikon) teaming up with Sprint and HTC to make a pda phone with serious dslr camera capabilities. I just couldn't see a 1DS Mark IV combined with Touch Pro.......

[houdini]

Most of the custom roms on this board have newer versions of the camera software which already have burst and sport modes enabled. Sport helps a lot but still not perfect or what I would consider 'fast'. It does help though so try it.

[Nagual]

You know, my friends put up iPhone camera shots on Facebook all the time and they look like crap--especially indoor shots--what a suprise. Something else tends to get overlooked by shutterbugs too--often their poor handling/standing still skills.

If I find a phone with anything other than an above-average camera chances are it's a rare freak of nature, or lacks features I'd much rather have in a trade-off.

[Raging Idiot]

Originally Posted by houdini

Most of the custom roms on this board have newer versions of the camera software which already have burst and sport modes enabled.

Most custom roms have this?? Which ones are you aware that have this functional?
I enabled burst/sport modes on Hibbys1.7 and when using it my camera readily crashed, and I had to reboot to get camera back.

When I used JD's rom it didn't work either, but I know he's made some changes since then...just don't know if any of the changes affect the camera.

[evilpeople]

Originally Posted by midiology

Ok,,, let me chime in,,, this phone does not have a shutter...
this term is carried over from archaic technology and is still in use today.. the camera in this phone uses a ccd device that when switched on is constantly excited by light particles and is constatnly transmitting signal to the encoders/decoders,,,

As an amateur photographer, I'll take a little exception to this. While you are correct that point-and-shoot (non SLR) digital cameras do not have a shutter, almost all DSLR cameras do. The term is not archaic at all - it is just not relative to THIS camera. The same way that focal length and ASA (ISO) are mixed in the film/digital world, so it shutter speed. Also, lots of amateurs and pros still use film, so the idea of film cameras being "archaic" is not really correct.

Ah, well - we're just talking about crappy cameras

[evilpeople]

Originally Posted by midiology

so if someone could find out how to permanantly set the ccd device to 15 or 20 frames per second reguardless of lighting conditions then the phone would take clearer pictures with less blur,, but the tradeoff is in darker conditions the picture would be very dark,,,,

Back on topic a little bit, I'd say that my low-light pictures are already at about 15fps. That's a 1/15 second shot, which too slow to hand-hold. Quality hand-held pictures can often be achieved between 1/30 of a second and 1/60 of a second, depending on the person. That would, as you may have guessed, be 30-60 fps

[houdini]

Originally Posted by Raging Idiot

Most custom roms have this?? Which ones are you aware that have this functional?
I enabled burst/sport modes on Hibbys1.7 and when using it my camera readily crashed, and I had to reboot to get camera back.

When I used JD's rom it didn't work either, but I know he's made some changes since then...just don't know if any of the changes affect the camera.

Been using Juggalo's rom versions and they have the updated camera oem where burst and sport are enabled and my camera doesn't crash. I would think that most cookers will start putting the updated software in their roms shortly since it is available now. I mispoke when I said most have it already.

Try Juggalo's rom, you'll like it.

[midiology]

Originally Posted by evilpeople

As an amateur photographer, I'll take a little exception to this. While you are correct that point-and-shoot (non SLR) digital cameras do not have a shutter, almost all DSLR cameras do. The term is not archaic at all - it is just not relative to THIS camera. The same way that focal length and ASA (ISO) are mixed in the film/digital world, so it shutter speed. Also, lots of amateurs and pros still use film, so the idea of film cameras being "archaic" is not really correct.

Ah, well - we're just talking about crappy cameras

Whoa,,, hold on just a tiny second...

Shutters are very archaic, in the fact that they have been around a long long time... and yes photographers still use film, and photographers use SLR cameras,, these cameras have the abillity to set your exposure and light intake and other settings,, thus requiring them to have a shutter........ Cell Phones Do Not,,,,,,,,,
Record Players are Archaic,, but as a D.J. I own 2 of them,, that doesnt change the fact that they are archaic.... even though professionals still use turntables instead of cd players and mp3,,, still doesnt change the fact that they are archaic...

So I am 100% correct in stating that Shutters are archaic.... even though professionals still use cameras with shutters,, they are still what would be considered archaic..

That doesnt mean they are not still used,, and not still useful...

They just have absolutely nothing to do with this thread...........

On a cell phone,, and most digital cameras there is no such thing as a shutter.. so the reason for me saying what I did about shutters sir,,
is the fact that we need not discuss shutter speed in this thread when discussing the cameras on our phones...

The software on these phones tells the capture device what fraction of a second it should capture and encode...
the software also tells the ccd how many frames per second to scan,,,

so if you break it down,, its like this...

if the capture is set to lets say 250 milliseconds,, or 1/4th of a second,, and the device is set to scan at lets say 10 frames per second,,, then the device will intake more light seeing as the ccd will stay active for longer portions throughout the capture... though motion will be more blurry

if it moves to say 20 frames per second it is capturing less resident light but will have crisper images,,, if the lighting conditions permit

so the length that the software captures an image would be called the shutter speed...
the frames per second would be considered the aperature setting. or light intake..

these 2 things are basically the same thing as what are used for shutter and aperature in hardware cameras and could carry over to the photography world easily,,

I was simply just trying to clarify to these other folks the proper direction we need to take on this matter...

I believe that this camera is not controlled by hardware,,, I believe that it is software controlled,,,
but.. and this is a big butt,,, it is not a registry key that controls this.. because the cameras state is always static (meaning changes constantly) so it would have to be a part of the active software controlling capture length and frames per second...
so if any gurus out there want to dismantle the camera software and look at the code,, and see if it can be modified,, it would be great.....

[aspiar7807]

hey houdini, any idea where i can get a cab of the updated camera software minus the rom?