Verizon HTC TOUCH PRO Information

[TizOnly1]

Wow... thank you for that post. I can't believe there's been so much confusion as to how much memory is on this thing, and nobody's bothered to just pull up Device Information.

Wow.

Anyway, that's good. It looks to me like when we start getting some custom ROMs, there's gonna be a lot more memory to go around. I'm looking at the Device Info on my Vogue right now. I'm running a cooked 6.1 ROM with TF2D, and, while I know it's not the same, it's only using 27.13 MB of OS Program Memory, as opposed to the 78.71 the TP is showing. TF3D can't be that heavy, to account for an extra 50MB over what TF2D requires.

So, I'm sure when we get to cooking, that's gonna shoot down by plenty, leaving more than enough RAM for pretty heavy usage.

[bsepub]

Originally Posted by TizOnly1

Wow... thank you for that post. I can't believe there's been so much confusion as to how much memory is on this thing, and nobody's bothered to just pull up Device Information.

Wow.

Anyway, that's good. It looks to me like when we start getting some custom ROMs, there's gonna be a lot more memory to go around. I'm looking at the Device Info on my Vogue right now. I'm running a cooked 6.1 ROM with TF2D, and, while I know it's not the same, it's only using 27.13 MB of OS Program Memory, as opposed to the 78.71 the TP is showing. TF3D can't be that heavy, to account for an extra 50MB over what TF2D requires.

So, I'm sure when we get to cooking, that's gonna shoot down by plenty, leaving more than enough RAM for pretty heavy usage.

Good points. The interesting thing is I do not have TF3D loaded. When I enable it, it brings the available memory south of 40 MB. So I have been operating without it. They are still working on the unlocker last I checked on XDA.

[mrsamtee]

anyone having issues with buttons on face not being responsive...especially directional buttons?

[bsepub]

Originally Posted by mrsamtee

anyone having issues with buttons on face not being responsive...especially directional buttons?

Yes, there is an awful lot of lag, especially considering how much memory is allocated to the OS. I am still getting used to the funny click on the directional buttons. I am not even running TF3D. The keyboard has been pretty snappy however.

I love the screen, and I like the form factor. I just added the '30 day return' reminder to my outlook calendar, just in case. However, I have complete confidence that the members of this forum (and others) will get this device unlocked. The hardware is really quite spectacular and should perform quite well with a better ROM...

[bedoig]

Originally Posted by bsepub

The above quote got me thinking, so I went to the hardware tab under settings>system>devicemanager. The attached screenshot shows you that the hardware indeed does have 192 MB of RAM, with 78.71 dedicated to the OS. This then leaves 113.29 available for the program memory.

It just blows me away that on this stock rom, that on top of the 78 MB the OS is using, that, upon an initial boot, another 64 MB is being utilized out of the 113 that is left. AND... the OS is also taking up 182 MB in the storage memory, reducing its availablility to 329 MB... what is going on?

I hope we can get this unlocked soon and on to cooking...

The numbers reported in device info are hard coded numbers that HTC decided on. Yes, there is 192MB of RAM in the device, but Windows Mobile only has access to ~128MB of it. 64MB are dedicated to the second processor core running the radio and other hardware controls in a Linux derived environment. Some shared memory is required for communication between the two OS's as well.

The 78.71MB of OS program memory reported in Device Info represents memory that you're not going to have access to. Windows Mobile, TouchFlo3D, and everything else is running on the remaining 113.29MB. In practical terms, the Verizon Touch Pro has the same amount of memory as the Vogue (CDMA Touch). When the Vogue was launched, HTC just wasn't including the shared memory in their total figures. Otherwise, they would advertise it as having 160MB (128+32) of RAM.

For the time being, 128MB is plenty to run WM6 though. If you're running a lot of programs at once, you'll run out of processor speed long before you run out of memory. It would be nice for Verizon users if their Pro had as much memory as the Sprint version, but it really isn't going to affect anything. It certainly isn't going to cause TF3D or any other programs to slow to a crawl as some have reported. People are just overreacting because they feel like they got the short end of the stick. Relax, the device isn't ruined.

Also, aside from the direction arrows and colored phone buttons (which I don't prefer, but are certainly not hideous), I don't see why some are saying the device is uglier than the Sprint version. It just has the squared off features of the original GSM Diamond/Pro, which are the two devices that started this whole craze to begin with. I don't get it...

[bkaz]

I am looking forward to seeing this phone in a store. Personally, I think it looks like it was designed in the 80's - I hope it looks a lot better in person. It's like they wanted it to look different than all the others so they went to radio shack and picked up a basic project box and stuffed all TP innards into it.

If there is indeed a large amount of memory available to be optimized, I will give this a brief second look.

Regarding the lag and memory issues... I hope they can be solved, but maybe a lot of it comes from the screen. At 640x480 HTC is forcing the same titan chipset to push 4x as much screen information. Yes, hardware accel is enabled but that chipset is several years old now and I wonder how much tweaking will help it push 4x more pixels. More screen = more memory usage too. Also, depending on how well apps are coded, they may or may not use the screen buffer and/or hardware accel.

Anyway, nerfing the memory was a low blow. They just want to make it much harder to get Android to run on it and ensure that no one squeezes WM7 onto it. Heaven forbid that anyone actually use the same phone for more than a year!

[Exil3d]

Damn... vzn users only got 40 megs to play with. Us Sprint users got 128 with tf3d running.

[foxnews]

Originally Posted by Exil3d

Damn... vzn users only got 40 megs to play with. Us Sprint users got 128 with tf3d running.

and vzn users pay more for TP too, on top of more expensive plans. no wonder verzion got so much money to run their ' The network' ad for so long.

you guys, Verizon users, are treated like a dummy Joe six pack. Pay more for plan, phones with less-equiped phones to support "The network". "The Network" can't even compete with sprint 3G Rev A nation-wide network.

[hsiaoer]

Okay, well after 24 hours of messin' around, I'm pretty happy with this thing. Speed wise the TP is much faster than the xv6800. I can watch a fast action movie in 640x480 in tcpmp with virtually no lag. The same movie was very choppy on the 6800. The video out does work, I soldered up a cable yesterday with my old 6800 adapter and it works flawlessly. The resolution is good enough to watch a whole movie through the TP, maybe more for a drama movie and not an action flick.
Anyone know of a GPS fix yet? That will be important come Christmas as I'll be on the road.
Build quality is good. In general the phone feels very solid and smooth. As previous picks so, fingerprints will always be visible. The dpad is interesting, I get a lot of double clicks but the zoom in opera works well, and the accelerometer has been really smooth, teeter is addicting, I'm stuck on level 22.
I was very worried about the 50 mb's free, but so far no issue yet. I can have four windows in opera open, TF3D running, music on pause in the background, and take a picture without the low memory warning. I haven't see that warning yet at all.
The arrow between the M and N. This design just erks, but so far I haven't had any mistypes. Maybe it's because we've discussed this ad nausium so I have thought about it more.

[Ender519]

I just got mine delivered an hour ago.. and having seen the Sprint version in person as well I'll say this. Sprint's looks better, hands down. However, Verizon's doesn't look *THAT* bad, the pics don't really do it justice. In real life it looks very sleek, very business-like.. which follows what I assume to be their master plan - to market this thing to business like people who want a no nonsense PDA, hence eschewing certain features (like expanded memory) for business card reader and really toning down the design. It does smudge easily, no doubts there, but I do not think I would hesitate to show it off to others - it really does look pretty nice.

Keyboard is WAY easier to type on than Sprint's IMHO, the keys have good response and they seem soooo much bigger. I tried typing an email and so far the weird placement of the "M" is not an issue for me. I got used to it really quick, in fact. The buttons below are usuable but a little funky. There is no tactile separation between functions, so you kind of have to "aim" for the lighted button you want. If you try to feel it out with your thumb while not looking it's kind of easy to hit the wrong button. Don't know if Sprint's is any different in that regard. I have not had too many problems with the arrow keys. I think the trick is you have to be deliberate about your presses, you can't lightly press or else you end up sometimes with a double-hit of the key.

Right out of the box, first boot with no options changes, literally just turning it on and going to memory info - I had about 59 MB free memory. Have not had time to really play with touchflo and load programs yet - have to charge the phone and I have to get ready for traveling tomorrow.

I cannot overstate the following: The screen is freaking BEAUTIFUL. I remember about 4 years ago when I moved from a Treo 600 with that awful 160x160 screen to the Treo 650 with the 320x320 screen, and what a huge difference it was.. and it's like that all over again. It's very bright and the whites are super white. In comparison the standard 240x320 screen on my i760 looks like it belongs back in the 90's - dimmer and slightly yellowish whites. And that was a screen which I thought was pretty good as far as they went.

Response is very quick - keeping in mind no TF3D or programs added yet When I switch from portrait to landscape it is almost instantaneous. Also, typing out a message, I finally have a phone that keeps up.. my i760 would frequently lag behind so it took 2-3 seconds sometimes to see what you wrote. Not here.. and that is a huge improvement

Stylus is nice, and is magnetized so when you slide it into place it kind of "grabs" it from you for the last few mm's and it feels quite secure.

I'm not going to argue style or free memory - Sprint has this thing beat. But if you are stuck on Verizon for corporate use (like me) or because of ETF's, I would wholeheartedly recommend you see this phone in person and strongly consider it for the speediness and screen alone.