CEO's. Execs. Corporate Idiots. Etc.

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Originally Posted by holo

Ummm, as I said HTC is getting about half the money for this phone with the US exchange rate that they are getting overseas. Of course it is not their first priority to release it here. It was HTC's choice, not "evil america's" choice.

But also between the time they decided to release it and now, its been 4 months. Why? Because of the FCC. Just so people don't melt from emissions and planes don't crash due to interference from the phone.

There is no excuse for the physical redesign of this product. Seriously. None. This is the equivalent of taking a massive dump on an elegant work of fine art and trying to re-brand it under a different name.

We go from an elegant, faceted backface to this plain, generic, "soft touch" surface. And then red of all colors for the Diamond and of all things grey for the Pro. On a device that was clearly meant to look like polished obsidian. Yeah, let me paint that sickly army green stripe right down the middle of my glass-black Lamborghini. No accounting for taste with these guys, that's for sure.

Oh, and somebody please argue that somehow this saves the consumer money. Really, people. What a farce!

At least they didn't give them those dorky names (Victor and Herman).

This is truly sad. I'm in the process of pricing the GSM version just to have it. I would at least like to have this device in its original, non-f'ed-up design.

I completely agree. The GSM version was freekin gorgeous. That back cover was extremely classy.

[holo]

Originally Posted by saumaun

But also between the time they decided to release it and now, its been 4 months. Why? Because of the FCC. Just so people don't melt from emissions and planes don't crash due to interference from the phone.

It has been approved by the FCC for a couple of months now... Also they could certainly have submitted the approval request earlier... Other countries have similar regulating bodies anyways....

It takes time to get a good version and get a stock of phones built on a different network technology all the while coordinating between sprint, HTC, etc.... Sure 4 months sucks but HTC has (for good reason) been more focused on getting phones out in other countries. It doesn't pay as much to release in the US right now with the exchange rates...

[quarky42]

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

They HAVE a CDMA model RIGHT NOW. I bet some greasy bastards at Sprint and Verizon have already molested the hell out of one especially branded for them. And I bet they are saying stupid crap like, "we can lose the FRONT CAMERA....NO ONE'S GOING TO USE IT ANYWAY....BESIDES, IT'S THE PERFECT PLACE TO PUT OUR $%#@* LOGO!".

Nazis.

I don't entirely disagree with your main point that the waiting game is getting old. Fine.

However I have to raise the BS flag on the front camera. Sprint and Verizon are CDMA and as such you can't have a voice channel and data channel (video) active at the same time. It is the nature of the network that prevents the use of a front camera. Sprint didn't decide to leave off the front camera to be d!cks about it... they just realized that they couldn't make video calls so they say 90% of the reason to keep the front camera fade away.

And the Nazis were a group of crazy people that committed genocide. I don't think any phone corporations have come close to that yet. Perhaps there is a better disparagement available that doesn't compare a corporation to mass murder.

[berry_lthird]

Originally Posted by quarky42

I don't entirely disagree with your main point that the waiting game is getting old. Fine.

However I have to raise the BS flag on the front camera. Sprint and Verizon are CDMA and as such you can't have a voice channel and data channel (video) active at the same time. It is the nature of the network that prevents the use of a front camera. Sprint didn't decide to leave off the front camera to be d!cks about it... they just realized that they couldn't make video calls so they say 90% of the reason to keep the front camera fade away.

And the Nazis were a group of crazy people that committed genocide. I don't think any phone corporations have come close to that yet. Perhaps there is a better disparagement available that doesn't compare a corporation to mass murder.

By "Nazis" I meant a group of people who are fanatically like-minded who don't question the ethics of their bosses.

And as far as the front camera goes: Maybe the network couldn't handle it, but it would have certainly been a nice feature to take self portraits with. To me, it would seem like it would be more trouble to take it out than just leave it in.

It's not like it's an appendix.

[holo]

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

By "Nazis" I meant a group of people who are fanatically like-minded who don't question the ethics of their bosses.

And as far as the front camera goes: Maybe the network couldn't handle it, but it would have certainly been a nice feature to take self portraits with. To me, it would seem like it would be more trouble to take it out than just leave it in.

It's not like it's an appendix.

Video calling is not popular here, no phone designed for US sales has the front camera left in place afaik. Including many phones which have one in the overseas version. Video calling in general has failed here while it has been popular elsewhere. Studies have actually been done to determine why we don't like it. A camera is an expensive feature to leave in when there is little use for it. You're getting your phone, these "CEO's execs and corporate idiots" are bringing you two more nice phones, with upgrades even to the diamond (bigger battery and more RAM).

Quit whining as you're getting (nearly) everything you wanted, sure it is a few months behind, but HTC has never released US versions as fast as overseas versions. Not only do they make FAR less money off the US versions, but they have to be redesigned (not only do they have to make a new CDMA version but the current GSM versions do not support US 3g). Even overseas the device took a long time from when we first heard about it. It's called manufacturing delays. We are not a priority right now, deal with it, we are still getting it, missing only a front camera which is really just peanuts especially since we cannot even do voice and data at the same time. When the value of the dollar goes back up, and more people in the US want these devices, we will get them faster.

How are they doing anything not ethical? They took out a feature we can barely use here, upgraded the diamond, and are selling both phones at about half the price of the overseas versions once the exchange rate is being taken into account. If anything that is TOO nice.

I'd also like to point out that unlocked diamonds supporting 3g in the US over GSM are just now starting to become available (I think best buy is the first to start carrying one but it may come to light that it does not have US 3g). HTC does not sell them directly either unless they have very recently started. You certainly can't blame this on anyone but HTC.

Your entire argument is a worthless rant that has no basis in reality.

[berry_lthird]

Originally Posted by holo

Video calling is not popular here, no phone designed for US sales has the front camera left in place afaik. Including many phones which have one in the overseas version. Video calling in general has failed here while it has been popular elsewhere. Studies have actually been done to determine why we don't like it. A camera is an expensive feature to leave in when there is little use for it. You're getting your phone, these "CEO's execs and corporate idiots" are bringing you two more nice phones, with upgrades even to the diamond (bigger battery and more RAM).

Quit whining as you're getting (nearly) everything you wanted, sure it is a few months behind, but HTC has never released US versions as fast as overseas versions. Not only do they make FAR less money off the US versions, but they have to be redesigned (not only do they have to make a new CDMA version but the current GSM versions do not support US 3g). Even overseas the device took a long time from when we first heard about it. It's called manufacturing delays. We are not a priority right now, deal with it, we are still getting it, missing only a front camera which is really just peanuts especially since we cannot even do voice and data at the same time. When the value of the dollar goes back up, and more people in the US want these devices, we will get them faster.

How are they doing anything not ethical? They took out a feature we can barely use here, upgraded the diamond, and are selling both phones at about half the price of the overseas versions once the exchange rate is being taken into account. If anything that is TOO nice.

I'd also like to point out that unlocked diamonds supporting 3g in the US over GSM are just now starting to become available (I think best buy is the first to start carrying one but it may come to light that it does not have US 3g). HTC does not sell them directly either unless they have very recently started. You certainly can't blame this on anyone but HTC.

Your entire argument is a worthless rant that has no basis in reality.

First of all, welcome to America. Where we happen to have this thing called "freedom of speech", which is a basic human right granted to every citizen.

However, we also have these things called online forums, in which free speech is a privilege. Since I don't seem to have violated any of the forum rules, I am allowed this privilege.

Now let me ask you this very serious question imperatively: TELL ME that you are satisfied with how either of these devices will be marketed in the United States for your carrier. Either way, that is YOUR opinion, not mine!

When companies like Sprint request for features to be removed, it shows other countries how capitalistically zealous American corporations are. While Asians and Europeans get to enjoy the full spectrum of features offered by consumer electronics in their native homeland, we are given a "watered-down" version purposely crippled and pointlessly re-designed.

Now if you are satisfied with that, sir, then that is your right.

But I felt the need to have my voice heard--and in your opinion if that has no basis in YOUR reality, then fine. But I live in a reality where I can import the same device that you SETTLE FOR and have every feature that it originally came with. Because it's my CHOICE. And if I'm going to have to suffer the inconvenience of having to wait for Sprint, Verizon, or any other American corporate circus to mutilate these devices, I might as well use that same energy ordering one from overseas.

Yeah, it's going to cost me a bit more, but not as much as you might think.

So now I have another very serious question for you: If you had no other purpose than to rebut my thread in order to prove me wrong, then what was YOUR point?

[slowputer]

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

It must be a game or something. It MUST be. Seriously. How obvious could it be that the upgrade to one of the most popular Pocket PC devices (Titan/Mogul) would be on EVERYONE's wish list? They have to know, these corporate puppets, who make us wait on devices like the Raphael.

So what you are saying is that you don't like waiting?

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

Look at the f-in iPhone. Over one million sold already, and the damned thing hasn't been out for a month yet. What--are they trying to create anticipation artificially? Is this waiting game entirely contrived? It has to be. No one can be that stupid, could they? I almost refuse to believe that HTC, Sprint, Verizon, and all the other bed mates could be so dumb as to screw something like this up on accident. It has to be on purpose. I just has to be.

As a matter of fact, the enthusiast group is small, not worth the hassle. It is a proven fact that only a small percentage trade up phones on a regular basis, so for HTC hurrying up is not a priority.

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

No one can be that dumb.

Politicians? Those who vote for them? Dubya?

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

The problem is that they know they will make a buck no matter what. They rest on their laurels because for all intents and purposes they have NO COMPETITORS other than the iPhone. They know the geeks will wait as long as we have to to get our nerdy paws on one. And they know that the average consumer is about as smart as a can of yellow cling peaches.

I am begining to understand your frustration. You want the phone now. You want HTC to be like Apple and release a sub-par product. I get it.

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

I'm sick of being teased like this....so much so that I've thought about getting a basic LG music phone called the Chocolate 3. Simple design. Mini USB port for data and charging. Standard 3.5mm headphone jack. USB wall charger. Transflash support. FM Radio broadcast. Smart.

Personally I prefer computers with a phone attached. I am a WM user (not a fan). But I have seen the Chocolate and it is a nice phone... for the regular Joe.

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

So we get a new Windows Mobile device. Then we have to hack it. Then we have to patch it. Then we have to wait some more for new features to leak. Then we have to patch again. Boom. Wow. GPS. SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING DAY 1!!!

I agree with your wholeheartly.

Originally Posted by berry_lthird

I'm really annoyed and sick of this crap. It's all a corporate game, and I'm so ed right now, I'm strongly considering not playing anymore.

Just like that fast food joint, have it your way.

I may have poked a bit of fun at your expense in the begining of my reply but I can see where you are coming from and why you are posting this and the other replies on this thread. HTC should be on the forefront of competition, neck to neck with iPhone, releasing products that make people think twice about Apple. Sadly, they are not. Their market is Asia, Europe then Americas. Tech-driven phones, like all PPCs are for the small minority of "nerds" as you called them. Only way we can make then hurry up is by using our free-speech right and writing them letters, participating in their customer service surveys and their product forums. Otherwise your concern will not be heard, and the situation will never change.

[cocochannel]

Originally Posted by holo

Video calling is not popular here, no phone designed for US sales has the front camera left in place afaik. Including many phones which have one in the overseas version. Video calling in general has failed here while it has been popular elsewhere. Studies have actually been done to determine why we don't like it. A camera is an expensive feature to leave in when there is little use for it. You're getting your phone, these "CEO's execs and corporate idiots" are bringing you two more nice phones, with upgrades even to the diamond (bigger battery and more RAM).

Quit whining as you're getting (nearly) everything you wanted, sure it is a few months behind, but HTC has never released US versions as fast as overseas versions. Not only do they make FAR less money off the US versions, but they have to be redesigned (not only do they have to make a new CDMA version but the current GSM versions do not support US 3g). Even overseas the device took a long time from when we first heard about it. It's called manufacturing delays. We are not a priority right now, deal with it, we are still getting it, missing only a front camera which is really just peanuts especially since we cannot even do voice and data at the same time. When the value of the dollar goes back up, and more people in the US want these devices, we will get them faster.

How are they doing anything not ethical? They took out a feature we can barely use here, upgraded the diamond, and are selling both phones at about half the price of the overseas versions once the exchange rate is being taken into account. If anything that is TOO nice.

I'd also like to point out that unlocked diamonds supporting 3g in the US over GSM are just now starting to become available (I think best buy is the first to start carrying one but it may come to light that it does not have US 3g). HTC does not sell them directly either unless they have very recently started. You certainly can't blame this on anyone but HTC.

Your entire argument is a worthless rant that has no basis in reality.

Excuse me? how can u say that video calling isnt't "popular here" when it has never been offered by any of the major 4?
if they were offered and heavily marketed by at&t and co I'm sure it would be as successful here in the US as it is elsewhere.

And plus you need to know that
1) only AT&T would be able to offer video calling as of today. They never did offer it because they never had a widespread 3G network. (remember the iphone wasnt 3G at first cause apple considered at&t 3G network wasnt wide enough). Now they are better but stil very spotty and they could/might offer it in the near future (maybe with the 3rd iphone).

2) Tmobile are far away from beiing 3G. Only New York is kind of covered.

3) Like someone else said Sprint and Verizon are CDMA so they will never offer video calling as long as they are CDMA. Maybe they wiill next gen once everyone is LTE.

[berry_lthird]

Thank you. I don't expect for everyone to agree with me, but I DO appreciate someone who can contribute intelligently to the topic of discussion, even if that means they don't see things the same way I do.

Much respect.

[TheRealHotshot]

I mean video calling would be great. I mean even just to use skype would have been nice. But I won't die without video calling. I kinda figured they would remove the front cam. We just now getting visual voicemail. And I think someone pointed out we can't do voice and data I'm not to sure about that also. But when the touch pro comes out it still will be a great phone. What I don't understand is why us ...US ppl tripping damn near everyting imported to the US is stripped and watered. From cars all the way down to cell phones. But sprint pretty much got it right with the pro so I'm happy