Data Plan Required

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Your right on your topic and with all your statements dtrush and I’m with you and I apologize if by my posts this thread has gone a bit off skew but as you can see.

No matter how much you show how wrong things like this are, there simply are those who profit from it and just don’t care what effect that has on anyone else as it gets them what they want and as such, in their minds they will always find a way to justify this.

Its kinda like Hitler and Charles Mason always thought they were right and justified in their actions no matter what.

I know how hard it is to contemplate to people like you an me an all the others who have posted here but you have to understand that non the less there are those out there that will always care more about themselves then others and will do what ever they want and take as much as they can as they are just so broken it typically is pretty much impossible for them to think in any other way.

This posts is dead on. Hitler thought he was right but in the end he was wrong and there was a world war. Slavery was wrong and there was a war. There will be no war over this nor is there any discussion about this so there is no problem. People and companies do only care about themselves and you will never be able to change that.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by pts69666

I don't know if this has been said for I have only read a few pages, but you could clone the ESN of a non-smartphone device into the Touch Pro 2 and then use that ESN and make sure to turn off data on the connection manager. Other than that, you would be set. Just don't ever turn on the phone you took the ESN from while the Touch Pro 2 is on. You will get caught pretty fast if that were to happen...

That is against federal law of the united states. The law of course does not seem to cover actually swapping them aka device A has esn of B and device B has esn of A(not to be confused with cloning) but many state laws prohibit tampering with devices unless you are the manufacturer.

[p-slim]

Anybody who was intelligent could use this thread as a simple case study and see data on devices our necessary in a ppcgeek community. So if I was big red, sprint, or att I would do the exact samething because a business is their to make money and not their for public relations. It is not stealing as like I been mentioned a million times you have the oppurtunity to go else where. No one is forcing you to stay with them but yet their supposedly stealing from you, does this even make sense. You keep saying what you already posted is your answer, you must realize we all read that and still only one person in this forum agrees with you, obviously you're in the minority here so whatever you think makes you right, no one here agrees with you so as I said earlier maybe you should go post on a bad business practice forum and MAYBE you'll get some support. But obviously I'm not going to change your mind ( I honestly don't care because I'm already getting my way. You and the op are the ones complaining) and you're not going to change anybodies mind in here.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Anybody who was intelligent could use this thread as a simple case study and see data on devices our necessary in a ppcgeek community. So if I was bit red, sprint, or att I would do the exact samething because a business is their to make money and not their for public relations. It is not stealing as like I been mentioned a million times you have the oppurtunity to go else where. No one is forcing you to stay with them but yet their supposedly stealing from you, does this even make sense. You keep saying what you already posted is your answer, you must realize we all read that and still only one person in this forum agrees with you, obviously you're in the minority here so whatever you think makes you right, no one here ageless with you so as I said earlier maybe you should go post on a bad business practice forum and MAYBE you'll get some support. But obviously I'm not going to change your mind ( I honestly don't care because I'm already getting my way. You and the op are the ones complaining) and you're not going to change anbodies mind in here.

Wrong

Read my posts...or for the matter, read your own.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Wrong

Read my posts...or for the matter, read your own.

Actually I read every posts and like I said you are seriously in the minority here, so basically if this was a Democratic situation you would've been lost, so how about you go back and read the posts.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Actually I read every posts and like I said you are seriously in the minority here, so basically if this was a Democratic situation you would've been lost, so how about you go back and read the posts.

Sorry still wrong.

[pts69666]

Yes it is illegal, but it has been done. There are tutorials online on how to do it. I've seen it done to take Sprint branded PPC which are more powerful over to the Verizon network back when Verizon used to cripple their devices so.

Not saying its the only option, just saying it is possible.

[HTC_TP]

Wow....this was a long thread to absorb.

Good time to disconnect and go outside and grab some Vitamin D since dead horses are getting beaten severly.

[Mojary]

first of all...talk abt hacking esn is a no no on this forum. your talk abt that at your own private risk. private being the underlying word.

second...i dont know what the argument is all about. if you dont want the data plan, then dont pine for the latest and greatest device being released. if you do pine for it just because you want wifi, buy a dumbphone to get just a regular voice plan and buy the tp2 off ebay and not activate to use the wifi. that way youll be saving $750 every 2yrs and i woulndt be called a thief. it doesnt take a software engineer to come up with this idea. dont dump your life peeves on me and tell me im stealing from you because i choose to pay for the plan that includes data. and im sorry for the things going on at home...but lets not use that as an excuse on why you should be special and be the exception to the rule. and please, spare me the response to go back and read all your posts. because ultimately, i realized that you just want to blame everyone else because you failed to do your own research before getting a tp2. because before i upgraded, i already knew what to expect. and even if i didnt, i wouldnt go blaming everyone who isnt on your side.

and for the rest of you on this thread...you know id like to get thanked too just because i posted a response....lol

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Mojary

first of all...talk abt hacking esn is a no no on this forum. your talk abt that at your own private risk. private being the underlying word.

second...i dont know what the argument is all about. if you dont want the data plan, then dont pine for the latest and greatest device being released. if you do pine for it just because you want wifi, buy a dumbphone to get just a regular voice plan and buy full the tp2 off ebay and not activate it to use the wifi. that way youll be saving $750 every 2yrs and i woulndt be called a thief. it doesnt take a software engineer to come up with this idea. dont dump your life peeves on me and tell me im stealing from you because i choose to pay for the plan that includes data. and im sorry for the things going on at home...but lets not use that as an excuse on why you should be special and be the exception to the rule. and please, spare me the response to go back and read all your posts. because ultimately, i realized that you just want to blame everyone else because you failed to do your own research before getting a tp2. because before i upgraded, i already knew what to expect. and even if i didnt, i woulndt go blaming everyone who isnt on your side.

and for the rest of you on this thread...you know id like to get thanked too just because i posted a response....lol

First of all I don't think anyone including myself is saying this should or should not be done just for me based upon our own singular hardship situations and I hardly took that anyone is dumping their life’s peeves on anyone, including sprintgirl. At least was the way I read it from her.

An then in general, if you do read my posts, I think it would be hard to think that I am not speaking from long postings of those who support what I have written as I didn’t just pull all this knowledge out of a hat. So I hardly think this is just a make up of few people out there with just a few peeves but more a really hard core issue of right and wrong that can an will effect us all at this all proceeds on over the coming years and as such is extremely relevant to many so I don't think this really qualifies as a peeve.

But anyway to get back to the point.

The point here is whether we who do not want a data plan should be force to get one anyway, and or be excluded from getting what ever device we want just because we don’t want one, which we shouldn’t.

We have just as much of a right to buy the same devices as anyone else and use it how we see fit and make the choice to pay for what services they can utilize that we choose to use it for and not pay for those we don’t.

As I’ve always said, if you want to pay money for a data plan, then all the more power to you but to force those who do not need that to pay for it when again, if you have read all my post it is completely possible to understand that this can be done, all except for the shear greed of others, that this is wrong.