What do you think of Windows Phone 7?

[havox22]

Originally Posted by kabuk1

I agree, group hug time. Forum fights are stupid.

I have been using WM for a long time, and I've grown quite comfortable which is why this whole revamping makes me mad. What irritates me most is that its not backwards compatible, so if I switch its bye-bye to all the money I've spent on apps that I still use every day. Also, from everything I've read so far, multitasking has either been removed altogether or severely limited. I love multitasking. I have multiple programs open at any given time & I am not willing to give that ability up. I say its dumbed down because the guy in the youtube video says its not aimed at business users, but *average* users, and there's an emphasis on social networking & games & media. Its like they're trying to veer away from the pocket PC genre, and I don't like that. I DO want a mini-computer in my pocket, I don't wanna have to carry my laptop around everywhere. Portable computing is the whole reason I got into PDAs & smartphones to begin with.

I admit- I don't know the intimate details of 7 yet, and it might not be as bad as it looks. But so far it seems like they're trying to counter Apple & go the 'Zune phone' route. Do. Not. Want.

I'm just hoping they're simply ADDING 7 to their lineup as an option, and not trying to replace good old WinMo with it...

yeah maybe if i invested money into apps then i mite be mad, but at the same time i would replace them with better things, we can only play classics on Nintendo for so long until ps3 comes with bigger & better things no matter how much money i had invested in my first xbox (i had lots) i still didnt value it as much when the 360 came yeah sure i wish they had certain games for for it but now looking back i cant even tell u what they were because what i have now makes them a after thought & as far as where ever u saw that they said that its for average users, ive seen the opposite where M$ says they went to businesses & asked what did they want..they could have been lying & put out what they wanted but @ least they have ya'll in mind & i realize that u dont really see wp7 as a upgrade so some of the stuff i said mite not apply & also if u dont know anything bout games then it mite not make any sense

Originally Posted by jethro_static

It only means 1 thing. Windows Phone 7 is your Idea.

lol yeah when they make the wp7 commercials they need to put some people from ppcgeeks & xda in it

[AZTECHKA]

Originally Posted by kabuk1

Oh, I'm sure I'll be able to accomplish the same things with 7, that's not the issue. The issue is that I don't want to abandon all the familiar, well-loved programs that I've used since 2005. Also, I like the way 6.x is structured, I know it inside & out, and I don't wanna have to learn a new OS. I like having all the options that I do now with 6.x, I don't need/want a 'simplified' OS. This is why I keep saying they need to offer both 7 & 6.x.

All in all- I'm sure if I HAD to adapt, I could. But I like the way things are now, and I just hate being unnecessarily uprooted.

Kabuk... Tell me about your childhood...
Were you a happy child. How many schools did you attend? Military brat? LOL.
I know what you mean. I resist change too but I figure if this is where things are headed... So am I... I even signed up and got a facebook account and guess what? I found my long lost sister. I haven't seen her in about 20 years. Sometimes change is good. I'm looking forward to the second and third release already. lol

p.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by champ052005

Why are people arguing what WP7 should be named? And why is WM7 being thrown out there?

They didnt want it to be called WM7 because Microsoft stated that a phone is not a PC several times. And a pocket pc is exactly what the name windows mobile implies. Microsoft decided to go in another direction that's why they named it windows phone 7. They are differentiating between a phone and a pc. So while calling it WM7/WP7 might not be a big difference on the forums, Microsoft sees it as night and day.

I think people are getting reluctant to change, but I think all will be well once WP7 is released.

Well to the average individual just by calling it windows phone 7 they will think it is windows 7 = pocketpc. The reason why people call it windows mobile instead of windows phone is because windows phone is confusing as hell. on the iPhone the OS and the phone is one but window phone implies that its a phone and not an OS.

After seeing the demo I can clearly see why its Windows Phone, because its a dumbphone OS and not an actual OS. There are plenty competition in the dumbphone OS market, iPhone, Bada, Instinct OS(forgot its name), LG OS, and etc...

Also I repeat..just by putting "Windows" in the name, people will think its a Pocket PC phone and avoid it for those that don't want pocket pcs and those that try it thinking its a pocket pc will be disappointed.

It is the smartphone OS that makes it stand out which windows mobile was in and now looks like Android will end up ruling.

As for the argument before about the pocket pcs being laggy and breaking...the fault lies in the crappy hardware and optimizations. You have to understand, phones loaded with windows mobile used to be premium phones which high prices. The TP2 for example cost many of us 350$ which we dished out for a pocketpc. Lets reverse the thing, WP 7 will require high end hardware with a none pocketpc OS...would you dish out 350$ for something you can get on a free-$100 phone?

What an average user wants is usually a touch screen for 100$ or less which Microsoft won't be able to provide. They clearly given up the fight agaisnt android and went to fight the iPhone while Android is claiming both markets..slowly but steadily.

It is not about embracing change or denying it..we expect next version..when you get microsoft Excel your hoping for spreadsheets. If they change excel into a mapping tool, even if they call it Excel it is not. As stated before...it should not have Windows in its name..Windows = pocket pc in EVERYONES mind..I mean if I tell you windows, what would be your first reaction.

[champ052005]

Originally Posted by kabuk1

Oh, I'm sure I'll be able to accomplish the same things with 7, that's not the issue. The issue is that I don't want to abandon all the familiar, well-loved programs that I've used since 2005. Also, I like the way 6.x is structured, I know it inside & out, and I don't wanna have to learn a new OS. I like having all the options that I do now with 6.x, I don't need/want a 'simplified' OS. This is why I keep saying they need to offer both 7 & 6.x.

All in all- I'm sure if I HAD to adapt, I could. But I like the way things are now, and I just hate being unnecessarily uprooted.

ohh ok. I follow you. But wouldn't you want a phone that can do the same amount of things in a much simpler way?

I understand the money invested in apps part.

[kabuk1]

Originally Posted by gTen

As for the argument before about the pocket pcs being laggy and breaking...the fault lies in the crappy hardware and optimizations. You have to understand, phones loaded with windows mobile used to be premium phones which high prices. The TP2 for example cost many of us 350$ which we dished out for a pocketpc. Lets reverse the thing, WP 7 will require high end hardware with a none pocketpc OS...would you dish out 350$ for something you can get on a free-$100 phone?

Great point- I can accomplish everything they talked about in the teaser video with my ghetto LG lotus that I got for FREE as an upgrade. I'm not gonna buy a high-end phone with a 1ghz processor just to run a proprietary OS whose main features are real-time Facebook updates & cloud storage. Its a huge step back in mobile computing, honestly.

Originally Posted by AZTECA

Kabuk... Tell me about your childhood...
Were you a happy child. How many schools did you attend? Military brat? LOL.
I know what you mean. I resist change too but I figure if this is where things are headed... So am I... I even signed up and got a facebook account and guess what? I found my long lost sister. I haven't seen her in about 20 years. Sometimes change is good. I'm looking forward to the second and third release already. lol

p.

Oh my childhood, where do I begin! Lol... I was pretty happy but we did move around a lot. My family was a bunch of poor immigrants struggling to survive month to month. We never had nice things, and we had to make everything last as long as possible. Maybe that's why I hang on to stuff so tightly now. Its not so much that I resist change, I just figure if I find something I'm happy with- WHY change? That's why it gets my hackles up so bad when stuff gets 'made over' like this. There's just no need.

Originally Posted by champ052005

ohh ok. I follow you. But wouldn't you want a phone that can do the same amount of things in a much simpler way?

I understand the money invested in apps part.

Honestly? Not really. I don't need things to be 'simple'. For me, simple = boring. If something is too simple I get tired of it. I like hacking & tweaking & finding every possible way to do something, I hate only having simple options. That's what attracted me to WinMo in the first place- it's versatility. There's a way to do everything & anything on WM, it never says 'no'. Lol, that was cheesy.

[champ052005]

Originally Posted by gTen

Well to the average individual just by calling it windows phone 7 they will think it is windows 7 = pocketpc. The reason why people call it windows mobile instead of windows phone is because windows phone is confusing as hell. on the iPhone the OS and the phone is one but window phone implies that its a phone and not an OS.

After seeing the demo I can clearly see why its Windows Phone, because its a dumbphone OS and not an actual OS. There are plenty competition in the dumbphone OS market, iPhone, Bada, Instinct OS(forgot its name), LG OS, and etc...

Also I repeat..just by putting "Windows" in the name, people will think its a Pocket PC phone and avoid it for those that don't want pocket pcs and those that try it thinking its a pocket pc will be disappointed.

It is the smartphone OS that makes it stand out which windows mobile was in and now looks like Android will end up ruling.

As for the argument before about the pocket pcs being laggy and breaking...the fault lies in the crappy hardware and optimizations. You have to understand, phones loaded with windows mobile used to be premium phones which high prices. The TP2 for example cost many of us 350$ which we dished out for a pocketpc. Lets reverse the thing, WP 7 will require high end hardware with a none pocketpc OS...would you dish out 350$ for something you can get on a free-$100 phone?

What an average user wants is usually a touch screen for 100$ or less which Microsoft won't be able to provide. They clearly given up the fight agaisnt android and went to fight the iPhone while Android is claiming both markets..slowly but steadily.

It is not about embracing change or denying it..we expect next version..when you get microsoft Excel your hoping for spreadsheets. If they change excel into a mapping tool, even if they call it Excel it is not. As stated before...it should not have Windows in its name..Windows = pocket pc in EVERYONES mind..I mean if I tell you windows, what would be your first reaction.

How is WP7 a dumbphone? What defines WM6.x from being a smartphone and WP7 being a dumbphone?

You are bashing WP7, and that is your right to voice your opinion, but I don't understand why. I can understand if you don't like the UI but what can't WP7 do that WM6.x do? The truth is, we don't have any details to call it a dumbphone.

[ajent]

Originally Posted by jshaas2

As most Windows Mobile hardcore users, i'd feel bad if I didn't "give it a chance". So when the TP2 successor is out with WM7, i will give it a shot. if it's not to my liking, i'm hoping something else grabs me in a good way that can meet my needs.

I feel the exact same way.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

It's freakin clear that I said when they"started" You and your bogus comments again.

ANd xbox hardware is made by Microsoft? The intel processor, nvidia graphics, ram and harddrive is made by MS huh? See how unreliable your statements are?

Most of Microsoft components like keyboard in their early days is made by somebody else and brand it MS.

Microsoft absolutely designs all of their hardware. They may not make physically it in house, but they have it all made to their own specifications. it's no different than any other hardware company.

And Microsoft has made hardware for many years now. Since at least some time in the 1990's, and probably before then.

Don't tell me about bogus comments when you just said Microsoft is strictly a software company. I was merely pointing out that you were wrong.

[eman]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

It's ok to take the credit. Coz I take credit for Windows 7 too. I always say that Windows 7 is my idea.

Well then Windows 8 will be my idea then!

I think Microsoft should have came up with a better name for there new OS. It needs a name and not a number!

Why not just put Windows XP on these new phones....That would be better then any mobile OS out there right now and we would not need to wait for programs to be developed for mobile systems.....I am sure with the new devices coming out they can run it. Even Windows 98 would offer more features. A full version of IE with all it's plugins would be worth it alone!

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Microsoft absolutely designs all of their hardware. They may not make physically it in house, but they have it all made to their own specifications. it's no different than any other hardware company.

And Microsoft has made hardware for many years now. Since at least some time in the 1990's, and probably before then.

Don't tell me about bogus comments when you just said Microsoft is strictly a software company. I was merely pointing out that you were wrong.

Like what hardware? Microsoft can design and ask for a hardware for their own specifications. But it does not mean they made the hardware.They ask for the specifics for xbox because they are not selling the OS. They are selling the console. WHen MS started, They only sell strictly OS. They only sell components for a PC when the company grew bigger. They did not make the components at first. They brand it.

No different than any hardware company? Qualcomm for example will ask somebody else to make their CPU? Nvidia will ask somebody else to make their Video cards?

What I said is point on. WHat you said is completely bogus.