What do you HATE about the TP2??

[rorytmeadows]

Originally Posted by jsmcelroy

I don't hate anything about the phone, quite an amazing unit really. What does "annoy" me is the sms/mms message sent notification that no one seems to know how to disable. Seems to be the same whether with Sprint or Verizon. I'm with Sprint...

Can't disable that STILL?

[imtjnotu]

528mhz of awsome lag.....
camera is weak and not worthy
buttons on the front are cheap
doesnt butter toast

[busbeepbeep]

There a lot of things I don't like about the phone, but seeing as how it allows me to keep the $30 SERO plan, I can live with them.

[astraz7]

Originally Posted by 1999TL

FM radio screw job. NO Flash, I really miss the flashlight app. No hole for reset. I'm seriously considering dremeling my case like somebody else posted. WHY SHOULD I EVEN HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT???

lol i agree! good idea but you could always install shutxp but that would only work if the phone wasn't totally locked.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jsmcelroy

I don't hate anything about the phone, quite an amazing unit really. What does "annoy" me is the sms/mms message sent notification that no one seems to know how to disable. Seems to be the same whether with Sprint or Verizon. I'm with Sprint...

To disable that SMS sent notification, in the registry, go to:
HKLM\ControlPanel\Owner and change the hide key from 1 to 0

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by rorytmeadows

I'm having trouble following this reply. I actually mentioned in an earlier post that I'd love to have a better camera with a flash. I think the keyboard was essential here because the COO, CEO, and VP of my company would not like typing on a virtual keyboard. My CEO would throw that in the garbage after one day.

I was saying that a lot of network policies say what a user can and cannot do with their technologies in the company. Instead of looking for a phone that doesn't have a camera, or having the manufacturer make custom units for your company, you need a phone that is compatible with your policies in a way that your Microsoft-certified IT department can easily modify. Enter Windows Mobile and Blackberry. IT specialist takes the company phones and just like they would make network modifications on their servers, they make the modifications to the phone to ban certain things, cameras, etc. to make it easier for business users or to fit with existing policies of the company (for example, if a company does not want you to go on the internet with your work phone, they can hide all options to do so and prevent users from accessing the registry and system files to change it back). If you've met executives before, you know how they like their technology easy and customized to them.

No man, what I am saying is the Imagio has all of those same network policies, IT guys can hide internet connectivity- everything you say makes the Touch Pro 2 a business phone is also present in the imagio (or the diamond 2). The difference? The diamond 2 and imagio have good cameras with a flash, but they don't have a keyboard.

Yes, pretty much any CEO or COO would throw that garbage away without a keyboard. My point is, I would also throw that garbage away without a keyboard, as would my wife and teenage kids. And we are consumers, not execs.

Somehow HTC got the idea that only business users want a keyboard. And I guess most of the people in this thread are okay with the notion that a stripped down device is still okay as long as it has a keyboard and we can label it a "business centric" device.

Again- the Diamond 2 and Imagio have a better camera, and a flash. They also have all of the "business features" of the Touch Pro 2. They don't, however, have a keyboard.

[rorytmeadows]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

No man, what I am saying is the Imagio has all of those same network policies, IT guys can hide internet connectivity- everything you say makes the Touch Pro 2 a business phone is also present in the imagio (or the diamond 2). The difference? The diamond 2 and imagio have good cameras with a flash, but they don't have a keyboard.

Yes, pretty much any CEO or COO would throw that garbage away without a keyboard. My point is, I would also throw that garbage away without a keyboard, as would my wife and teenage kids. And we are consumers, not execs.

Somehow HTC got the idea that only business users want a keyboard. And I guess most of the people in this thread are okay with the notion that a stripped down device is still okay as long as it has a keyboard and we can label it a "business centric" device.

Again- the Diamond 2 and Imagio have a better camera, and a flash. They also have all of the "business features" of the Touch Pro 2. They don't, however, have a keyboard.

You're absolutely right, but there is something else going on with the business-user market. Put yourself in the shoes of some of the execs out there. For example, think of hotel rooms and how they are marketed. There are rooms designed for families, couples, and business users. Do you think that the Executive Business Suite at the Hyatt is going to have a video game console in it? You may think, hell, let's put them in every room to cover all our bases. But you can't do that, because the businessman might think badly about the hotel chain if they see that. Yes, people can be so shallow, but it's true.

I guarantee you that iPhone marketing is great for personal sales, but a businessman doesn't want to be seen toting one around into an executive meeting with banks and lenders. They don't want to be associated with that stuff. Myspace, Facebook, etc etc.

I'm not saying every businessman is like this, but you really shouldn't be counting the 20-somethings who still get loaded at the bars a few times a week.

Sometimes you can't have everything without losing some base.

[neudof]

How do I Hate thee... Let me count the ways

1 - No Official WM 6.5
2 - No soft reset hole
3 - No Ctrl Key
4 - No Flash
5 - No D pad
6 - The power button is in the WORST possible place for using the keyboard! I turn the dams screen off with my index finger all the time!

Even with the above list this is still by far the best phone I have ever owned and I am still running the stock ROM!

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by rorytmeadows

You're absolutely right, but there is something else going on with the business-user market. Put yourself in the shoes of some of the execs out there. For example, think of hotel rooms and how they are marketed. There are rooms designed for families, couples, and business users. Do you think that the Executive Business Suite at the Hyatt is going to have a video game console in it? You may think, hell, let's put them in every room to cover all our bases. But you can't do that, because the businessman might think badly about the hotel chain if they see that. Yes, people can be so shallow, but it's true.

I guarantee you that iPhone marketing is great for personal sales, but a businessman doesn't want to be seen toting one around into an executive meeting with banks and lenders. They don't want to be associated with that stuff. Myspace, Facebook, etc etc.

I'm not saying every businessman is like this, but you really shouldn't be counting the 20-somethings who still get loaded at the bars a few times a week.

Sometimes you can't have everything without losing some base.

I understand your point. However, I have to say that the honeymoon suite, or the presidential suite, or whatever the top of the line "consumer" rooms at the hyatt are called- absolutely have everything that business room has and more. And the top of the line business room absolutely has a game console and everything else the top of the line consumer room has.

We're not talking about an average, everyday phone here. This is HTC's top of the line phone that has a keyboard. I guess that makes it HTC's top of the line business phone. Because HTC doesn't understand that consumers want a keyboard.

Have you seen the Best Buy holiday commercial where the guy says his wife is texting 24/7 so they suggest he get her a smartphone? Or the slew of Moto Droid and Moto Click commercials where they tout the device's keyboard (and it's some general consumers using it on facebook or youtube or something)? Consumers WANT a keyboard. That's why the majority of this forum owns a Touch Pro 2. Because I highly doubt business users are hacking their phones up the way most of us here are. Maybe here and there, but not the majority of them. I think most of us here are consumers, who maybe also happen to use this device for some business purposes as well. But my account is a consumer account, as I suspect most of the users of this site are consumer accounts as well.

Anyway, my point stands- the Imagio has all of the business functions that you speak of, but it does not have a keyboard, and it does have a better camera and a flash. Just saying this device is for business does not make it okay to strip a bunch of features.

You know what this reminds me of? All the iPhone fanboys who said stupid stuff like, "We don't need MMS anyway" or "We don't need copy and paste anyway" and then acted like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread when they finally got it. All of us were telling them how their phone was missing basic features, and we were laughing at them justifying it. When they finally got these basic features, only then did they admit they had been sorely missed all along. Here we have a bunch of people doing the same thing. Teh Touch Pro 2 is lacking basic features that even other HTC phones have. There is no justifying that. And even if there was a good justification for it, just saying "it's a business device" certainly doesn't come close to justifying it. Last time I checked, CEO's and other execs bought luxury cars that had all the bells and whistles...

[AZTECHKA]

I'm good for now... I've found some workarounds while not perfect. At least most of my complaints are fixed, hacked or worked around. Just patiently waiting for W7.
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