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[Cicatrize]

Originally Posted by p-slim

any of you guys with a tp2 will be amazed with snapdragon processor and android web browsing, and that doesn't matter if your on 4g or not.

DUDE, YES. THIS RIGHT HERE. Not only is it the CPU, Android also just does it faster, for whatever reason. My gf's Hero renders pages faster on the stock Android browser than on the Opera browser for WM...and she has worse specs on her phone.

I saw a video on Engadget today of a N1 next to the new LG Ally (600MHz CPU) loading Engadget's full site, both on Wi-Fi, and the N1 loaded it in less than 20 seconds while the Ally took over 60 seconds. That extra 40 seconds is ridiculous, especially when you see the video and you're waiting for the Ally to finish.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/lg-ally-review/

The Ally probably could download it as fast as the N1 could, but the limitations in the RAM and CPU made it take so much longer to load. This is what we're to expect from the EVO...a much better browsing experience, which will lead us (at least me) to much more data consumption.

[mlin]

Originally Posted by p-slim

thats why it kind of sucks, sprint is charging people because they assume they will use more bandwidth whether they're on 3g or 4g but they don't know that, but we all have to agree that people who have this phone will definitely use more bandwidth on the phone then with a hero or tp2. Tethering wise will be about the same usage but if you have an evo you will browse the web or watch more youtubes with this phone then you will then with a tp2. The fact that is lets you browse websites faster with the faster processor almost definitely means you'll be doing more web browsing on the phone then with any of sprints other phones. We all (including myself) just need to realize its not for 4g, its because they know there will be more bandwith consumption with this phone. any of you guys with a tp2 will be amazed with snapdragon processor and android web browsing, and that doesn't matter if your on 4g or not. the only thing we have to look forward to is the fact that all highend phones will probably be coming with this $10 add on.

Excellent point P-Slim.

[BenS]

Originally Posted by mlin

Its not for 4G. This has been covered at least a dozen times in this thread and all the other threads that are centered around the $10 add on.

Unfortunately it has do with everything being mentioned in this thread. More data usage because it will process info faster, if you in fact are able to video conference/skype, "build" the 4g network, have pricing in line with the competition, fixing the oil disaster in the Gulf (sarcasm), regardless everyone knows that it would be "cooler" to just leave the pricing structure alone but everything else is getting more expensive so why not my "luxury" phone bill. Ass, cash, or grass no one rides for free.

Haven't told my wife yet though!

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by Cicatrize

DUDE, YES. THIS RIGHT HERE. Not only is it the CPU, Android also just does it faster, for whatever reason. My gf's Hero renders pages faster on the stock Android browser than on the Opera browser for WM...and she has worse specs on her phone.

I saw a video on Engadget today of a N1 next to the new LG Ally (600MHz CPU) loading Engadget's full site, both on Wi-Fi, and the N1 loaded it in less than 20 seconds while the Ally took over 60 seconds. That extra 40 seconds is ridiculous, especially when you see the video and you're waiting for the Ally to finish.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/lg-ally-review/

The Ally probably could download it as fast as the N1 could, but the limitations in the RAM and CPU made it take so much longer to load. This is what we're to expect from the EVO...a much better browsing experience, which will lead us (at least me) to much more data consumption.

I don't buy that. My HD2 with opera 10 loads pages just as fast as my girl's Nexus1 (both on tmobile 3G at the same location). The snapdragon DOES make a difference, the pro2 takes FOREVER to load web pages because the processor under-performs horrendously.

Androids also use more data because the widgets on the home screen are constantly refreshing and on winmo really the only thing refreshing is the weather screen. On my mytouch I have baseball/basketball/football scores updating constantly, 2 weather widgets, urban dictionary widget updating all the time, some wallpapers that download data, and I guarantee I use a crapload more data when I'm rocking Android.

When the iPhone 4G (4th generation) drops with an A4 chip and insane-ular specs I bet people consume way more data than they have been on the 3G/3GS models even without LTE, so I can only imagine how much data people are going to consume when Wimax/LTE coverage is pretty good.

[Mutiny32]

Look, CDMA EvDO Revision A is the same 3G service no matter what phone it is on. Period. PERIOD.

That is not speculation; that is fact. It cannot be argued against. If you try to argue with me about it, I will humiliate you by pointing out specific references in the specifications for the standard and then go on to being more condescending about your ignorance with a bulleted list.

Stop saying the EVO on 3G is faster than other phones on 3G.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by Mutiny32

Look, CDMA EvDO Revision A is the same 3G service no matter what phone it is on. Period. PERIOD.

That is not speculation; that is fact. It cannot be argued against. If you try to argue with me about it, I will humiliate you by pointing out specific references in the specifications for the standard and then go on to being more condescending about your ignorance with a bulleted list.

Stop saying the EVO on 3G is faster than other phones on 3G.

people are saying its faster, obviously the data transer speeds are the same but if i go to ppcgeeks on my tp2 and on my nexus, my nexus will load the page 10x if not more faster. The reason is because of the processor, but regardless of the fact it loads the pages way faster. The fact that web pages are loading 10x faster if not faster will cause you to browse the web more on your phone.

[Cicatrize]

Originally Posted by Mutiny32

Look, CDMA EvDO Revision A is the same 3G service no matter what phone it is on. Period. PERIOD.

That is not speculation; that is fact. It cannot be argued against. If you try to argue with me about it, I will humiliate you by pointing out specific references in the specifications for the standard and then go on to being more condescending about your ignorance with a bulleted list.

Stop saying the EVO on 3G is faster than other phones on 3G.

You might want to slow down before you make yourself look worse.

If you don't believe what we're saying, why don't you run a little experiment yourself so the point can be driven home a bit better:

Get on an old computer lacking in CPU speed and RAM, load up a recent browser of your choice, and load up your favorite website on a good broadband connection. Next, use a newer machine with the same browser and open up that same website on the same connection. I would bet my savings account that the newer machine will load the page much faster, and you'll see what we're talking about.

Not one person here is saying the connection speed is different. The phone's hardware is a bottleneck because it's receiving the information slower than the connection sends it.

EDIT: Or even better, get on Wi-Fi on your phone and then on your laptop. See which one loads your websites faster. A website that loads on my laptop in less than 2 seconds can take up to 60 seconds on my TP2.

[champ052005]

Originally Posted by Mutiny32

Look, CDMA EvDO Revision A is the same 3G service no matter what phone it is on. Period. PERIOD.

That is not speculation; that is fact. It cannot be argued against. If you try to argue with me about it, I will humiliate you by pointing out specific references in the specifications for the standard and then go on to being more condescending about your ignorance with a bulleted list.

Stop saying the EVO on 3G is faster than other phones on 3G.

Your argument would hold true for the same phone models. Or different phone models with the same processor speeds.

But your argument completely falls of the rails by ignoring hardware differences. 1Ghz processor will be a crap load faster in every aspect, whether it be basic functions to internet surfing, compared to phones that don't have the 1Ghz processor.

[Insatiable]

I have a family plan, but not all 4 people on my plan will be getting an Evo...just two. So yeah that's an extra $20. You sometimes pay for things you may not even want to, just to have it. Sometimes, you pay extra for comfort.

I pay extra for toilet tissue...CHARMIN! True, Scott has the same outcome, but Charmin feels better, so dammit I pay more for it.

I feel its simple. If the $10 is that big of a deal...or $40 for those getting 4 on a family plan...don't get the phone. It's not changing anytime soon, Sprint clearly has laid it down as law, its either stick to your principle and don't pay it and stick with the phone you have, or just pay it and get the Evo.

Who cares what you're paying for specifically! You're payin for a new hi-tech phone thats all the rage...when it boils down, after all the scientific facts spilled out here, you're paying for popularity. What other phone have they had have been so popular that they felt they "COULD" charge $10 extra for it?? NONE!

So buy the phone, or don't. Seems simple enough to me.

[tool2269]

ok, so basically the $10 is for the faster processor in the phone to load webpages faster?

nice.