Windows Phone 7... Doomed?

[IM0001]

Why do people keep talking about an OS that is not even out yet "Doomed"
"lost" "no chance" etc. WTH?

Look at the Xbox, Did it have a chance seeing as how it was joining in on a market that already had the big 3? (Sega later departed but hey shows you how hard the market was to figure out.) Did Microsoft not "Fix" Windows with Win7 for all those people who disliked Vista? Did Android really have a clear chance when it first came out vs Winmo, BB, Palm, iPhone, etc?

Everything going into WP7 looks fantastic, things that are not in it yet will be added later. (and more than likely months not years later) and the direction they are going allows for more universal app support (less this app works on this phone and not that one) universal driver requirements (no more broken drivers, slow devices, etc) and overall ease of use.

One thing Microsoft Sees and knows they need is Dev support. Look at Win Mobile now. Almost every large dev that makes apps is making them for Android and iOS but not WM6. This really blows for us WM6.X users now but its mainly due to the fact that making 1 great app for all WM devices really is becoming a pain in the neck. With WM7 the app support is much easier and fluid which should help make apps easier to develop and easier to distribute to all the devices with a much more guarantee that it WILL work.

Now if you need something that it cannot do out of the box, what in the world makes you think that outside devs will leave it like that? Seriously? the iPhone can be Jailbroken, Android Rooted, Why do you think WP7 will be locked forever? Mass USB support? Of course, File Managers? Sure, outside app installs? Duh.

Wait until the phone makes it out and Microsoft with a clear goal in mind, starts putting real pressure on the competition. OF course you are not forced to choose one or the other OS out there, but the pressure of such a large company as Microsoft against Google and Apple = Great pressure to make the OS better than the other guy. That in turn means better support and options for the consumer. So until the OS is out (and then hopefully after a year I say) then be the judge of the OS/Device.. Until then. Please people stop with the ignorant nonsense about WP7. If you really don't want to believe it will succeed, nobody is keeping you from going to Android or iOS.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by IM0001

Look at the Xbox, Did it have a chance seeing as how it was joining in on a market that already had the big 3? (Sega later departed but hey shows you how hard the market was to figure out.)

The XBOX succeeded because microsoft gave away money to the developers...at the same time Sony lost quite a few exclusives and Nitendo started targeting little kids...sega was already pretty much out just by their release times...

Did Microsoft not "Fix" Windows with Win7 for all those people who disliked Vista?

Yes..same way they fixed win ME with XP..by making you pay 2x for something that is defective and then for a fix...

Did Android really have a clear chance when it first came out vs Winmo, BB, Palm, iPhone, etc?

Android got support because Google started to pay manufacturers to use Android, which interested the dieing Motorola cellphone division and teamed up with Verizon (who actually knows how to market) created the "Droid" campaign.

Everything going into WP7 looks fantastic, things that are not in it yet will be added later. (and more than likely months not years later) and the direction they are going allows for more universal app support (less this app works on this phone and not that one) universal driver requirements (no more broken drivers, slow devices, etc) and overall ease of use.

People already have those features elsewhere....unlike buying a game console or on operating system you have to cough up a 2 year contract for something incomplete?

One thing Microsoft Sees and knows they need is Dev support. Look at Win Mobile now. Almost every large dev that makes apps is making them for Android and iOS but not WM6. This really blows for us WM6.X users now but its mainly due to the fact that making 1 great app for all WM devices really is becoming a pain in the neck. With WM7 the app support is much easier and fluid which should help make apps easier to develop and easier to distribute to all the devices with a much more guarantee that it WILL work.

M$ took too long getting their appstore out.and they killed most of the development by saying WP7 won't support old apps...there used to be a LOT of APPS for winmo that others didn't have...

Now if you need something that it cannot do out of the box, what in the world makes you think that outside devs will leave it like that? Seriously? the iPhone can be Jailbroken, Android Rooted, Why do you think WP7 will be locked forever? Mass USB support? Of course, File Managers? Sure, outside app installs? Duh. .

Same reason we aren't hacking the Instinct?

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M$ is not gonna get a golden pass in..if they can't pull through fast enough they will be eaten by the competition...similar to what happened to the kin...I'm not saying exactly they are doomed but out of all the things they have done, this is the longest stretch....

[popdog54]

Here's a preview from Engadget. Overall it's positive. The only things I can see that I really don't like about WP7 is the lack of multitasking and the Facebook integration (I might actually be able to live with no copy and paste). My biggest problem with the Facebook stuff is that certain people, like me, who don't use Facebook that much or not at all, won't need all the Facebook stuff. Also, say in a few years Facebook loses popularity when the next big social networking site comes around. Remember when Myspace was all the rage and Facebook was only used by college kids?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/w...depth-preview/

[Tim Smith]

Originally Posted by popdog54

(I might actually be able to live with no copy and paste)

What's to live with? Why the hell does every talk like it's never coming? It won't be there at launch but soon after in an update it'll get it. It's not that big of a deal.

[cyclical]

Originally Posted by popdog54

Here's a preview from Engadget. Overall it's positive. The only things I can see that I really don't like about WP7 is the lack of multitasking and the Facebook integration (I might actually be able to live with no copy and paste). My biggest problem with the Facebook stuff is that certain people, like me, who don't use Facebook that much or not at all, won't need all the Facebook stuff. Also, say in a few years Facebook loses popularity when the next big social networking site comes around. Remember when Myspace was all the rage and Facebook was only used by college kids?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/w...depth-preview/

Most of the reviews I have read seem to be pretty positive as well. Responsive touch, different interface. I agree, most of the general complaints have been with the facebook thing, copy and paste, and multitasking. Hopefully by release, the facebook thing will be like similar to Sense, where it only "updates" the information from your phone contact list, and not all your "friends" on facebook.

[NIKKG]

I looked at two recent reviews of it on BGR and CNET, it seems none of the reviewers liked it. Just looking at it, it seems to be overly complicated for no reason. Too much eye candy with all those moving tiles on the home screen. MS's biggest problem with the old WinMo was that it was too techy for the average user and they seem to be making it worse with 7.

I hope they get their act straight on release day, the way it is looking now is going to be a disaster, only the hardcore nerds will buy it, the rest will stick to the iphones, androids and bb.

[jesonkwilliam]

Well this is the rule by the nature that the person always likes what he has seen first. So if the android came first then windows have to suffer the loss.

[timezone]

This is going to be wildly successful. First, this isn't a from scratch OS since it is built oo top of CE. It also isn't a copy from Apple when you take into account that they are just finally tackling the capacitive screen features of the phone. Not to mentioned realized after too many years that a start button does not make a Microsoft OS.

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by timezone

This is going to be wildly successful. First, this isn't a from scratch OS since it is built oo top of CE. It also isn't a copy from Apple when you take into account that they are just finally tackling the capacitive screen features of the phone. Not to mentioned realized after too many years that a start button does not make a Microsoft OS.

Wildly successful based on what? I have to disagree.. and not even based on what the OS may or may not be able to do.. but moreso on the fact that they took WAY too long to debut it. And November is STILL 3 months away and who knows how many phones will have come out by then. On top of that winmo lost a ton of users to Android.. and with the plethora of phones droid has been pumping out lately I dont see many people making the switch back to windows.

Im sure they wont bomb, but timing is everything and microsoft pretty much blew it in that retrospect. Had it made a debut around the summer I probably would've checked it out since I wasnt too far gone from the tp2.. but at this point and after having my evo for a while I have no desire to go back. Especially with the news of how they've practically closed off the OS and made it a social networking phone.

[Tiberius85]

Well really, nothing right now is out that is as smooth as the iphone experience. Even Android's UI is inconsistant at times, the pinch to zoom can be a little choppy.. but if you want an iphone-like experience on another carrier without the price tag of an iphone you really have just android. And as far as the 'well WP7 isnt as tweakable, mutlitasking, etc' i really dont think most consumers care about those things. Heck i dont really care about those things much anymore. Multitasking has NEVER been a feature i like on WM. Either it slows down the device, its useless when the two programs you want to switch between close each other when you open one, or it drains your battery.

Oh and dont forget, Android was a dud up until the droid marketing campaign. It was then that a real iphone competitor hit a major national carrier.

I just really hope they dont market it with the typical bright color generic happy music that seems to permeate windows marketing these days. They need something cool and unique.