WM7: LG Apollo, HTC Obsession and OS info

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Im not even getting excited about this... with those specs that phone is going to cost $1000

Possibly.

But here's my hunch: look at what MS has done in the past when they want to heavily compete in a market in which they are way behind. Specifically, think of one platform and their business model:

XBox

Their model was to sell the hardware below cost and woo developers (cue Ballmer, lol). That is, MS ate the cost difference on the XBox in order to gain market penetration. And by golly it worked. To put in perspective, MS did not even turn a profit on the XBox platform till mid 2008--six years after release and after they lost, literally, hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm not saying I know MS will do the same with Seven, but I sure as hell would not be shocked. They have the pockets to do it and they are stubborn MoFos when they decided to do something.

Shoot, I kind of hope they do that. Put dream tech into the hands of ordinary people at below cost? That would crush their competitors or at least drain their resources. A wart of attrition, lol.

[Noir]

very good and researched article
however I have some doubts. If microsoft is slating a media edition 7 by 2011 and a business os for 2010 wouldn't that ideally mean 4 oses for mobile users to play with
6.5
6.6
7 media
7 business
by mid 2011?
that's a lot to me...from one company but in some ways its a bit intelligent in that it offers market diversity and simple solutions to manufacturers. Unless windows plans on phasing 6.5 due to its lackluster reception. But even still unique

I recall having a convo with chainfire of xda developers, and he argued that (at the time) the "flagship" device (for coding purpose) was a samsung i780. This raises some questions with relation to the coding specification of the business os (as I assume this was what he analyzed)

all that aside its a unique emphasis but also one stress of cloud computing - which is catch 22. Helpful but yea... I guess we will have to see february and eveyrthing...

great article

[MoonZ*BabysH]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Too many other things I could be doing with that money considering its just a phone.

Thats the thing about it, Its not "Just a Phone". and you call yourself a GEEK!! Sheesh!!

[imtjnotu]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

Possibly.

But here's my hunch: look at what MS has done in the past when they want to heavily compete in a market in which they are way behind. Specifically, think of one platform and their business model:

XBox

Their model was to sell the hardware below cost and woo developers (cue Ballmer, lol). That is, MS ate the cost difference on the XBox in order to gain market penetration. And by golly it worked. To put in perspective, MS did not even turn a profit on the XBox platform till mid 2008--six years after release and after they lost, literally, hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm not saying I know MS will do the same with Seven, but I sure as hell would not be shocked. They have the pockets to do it and they are stubborn MoFos when they decided to do something.

Shoot, I kind of hope they do that. Put dream tech into the hands of ordinary people at below cost? That would crush their competitors or at least drain their resources. A wart of attrition, lol.

microsoft lost 4 billion dollars off the original xbox

but MS owned xbox and its right MS does not own LG...LG wants the profit and not MS....that is a big difference....

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by imtjnotu

microsoft lost 4 billion dollars off the original xbox

but MS owned xbox and its right MS does not own LG...LG wants the profit and not MS....that is a big difference....

lol, thanks for the clarification. That's certainly a difference.

You're right about LG wants the profit, but what I was suggesting was that MS subsidize LG, so they can lower the price without hurting their bottom line.

MS eats the cost, LG can sell a $300 carrier subsidized phone instead of a $500 carrier subsidized one.

But like I said, that's all just speculation/guessing/wishful thinking. We'll find out more in the next few months, I'm sure.

I'm also skeptical about the LG screen resolution. We're working to confirm/dis-confirm this week.

[FlatSurfSucks]

Well MS charges the handset makers for WM licenses (I believe the number is around $30/device). If they were going to "subsidize" this they would start by making Seven free like Android is and I believe they've made statements stating that they will specifically not do this.

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by MoonZ*BabysH

Thats the thing about it, Its not "Just a Phone". and you call yourself a GEEK!! Sheesh!!

I also call myself logical... and a phone of that price isnt.

[Laos101]

I dunno, not the cost issue but the LG issue. I know for a fact that the last two phone releases from LG were reported with screen issues (Incite + Expo)

But, if this thing really is going to do what it says, IE the long battery life with a HD Screen, and media capabilities (This thing will replace my zune) and 30 hours audio playback then I think i will settle.

[BlackDynamite]

This move away from the horizontal slide out keyboard is troubling to me. I hope we see some keyboards at Mobile World Congress.

[MrObvious]

Honestly I'm getting used to the keyboard on the Tour and it's not too bad once you get used to it. They spaced the buttons nicely enough. I think that will be fine.