HTC's 2010 Lineup

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

You are kidding me about the dividend as evidence for Windows mobile growth right??? Sigh, please check your facts again. Trust me, Microsofts profit and subsequent divident is NOT from Windows Mobile sales. Also, trust me, 2 year cycle is an eternity in smartphones cycles.

And you tend to make alot of claims about numbers and you make deductions saying... "see it is higher than ever before"... but you never provide any proof.

Believe me, I wish you were right, but links please? Your previous link was from June 2008.

Okay, I'll try to run through this again for you...

Microsoft's stock is higher right now than it was at any point last year. It has been on a steady increase all year. If you don't think Windows Mobile has anything to do with their stock price, you're crazy. Everyone knows smartphones are the computers of the future. Yes, there are also other factors in the stock price. But MS is a corporation that answers to shareholders just like every other corporation, and if they had a product that was hurting the price of their stock (or the dividend paid to shareholders) then that product would be gone. And that is as unbiased as you can get. No reporter twisting numbers, blogger posting half truths, etc. The market speaks the truth, and their stock is higher right now than it was at any point in their record setting year last year.

Now, as for the numbers. Please try to understand what the numbers mean. You are posting only half the story, I am posting the other half, and then you are complaining that mine are old.

The numbers that YOU posted compared this year's numbers to last year's, and the article blasted MS for the numbers being lower. If you look at the article I posted, you realize that last year's numbers were an all time record for Microsoft. So now that we are in a recession, and all the WM people (or at least enough to get all time record sales) bought new devices last year, most of which were bought with a 2 year contract, then you should easily be able to see why there are fewer sales this year than last year.

The iPhone continued to grow at a record pace in large part because they released a new iPhone, and then AT&T let everyone buy one at a subsidized price even before they were eligible. Not only that, but the subsidized price was only $200. They are the only USA carrier with an iPhone, so that is significant. Had all the carriers done the same thing with the Touch Pro 2, then you can bet the Touch Pro 2 would have record sales too.

But MS planned it this way. they know they have all those users form the record setting year last year locked into their device for another year, and they are going to release WM 7 just in time for all those customers to upgrade their device.

And if you don't think MS planned it that way, then all you need to do is take a look at any INVESTMENT reports on MS. Screw the biased bloggers who don't know what the heck they're talking about. Just look at the investment reports talking about how MS beat all the estimates and are paying a larger dividend than anyone expected.

Yes, sales are down- but down compared to what? The answer is simple- down compared to their record setting year last year. And the vast majority of those customers from last year are still using Windows Mobile devices because they had to sign a 2 year contract to buy their new device.

So while I have no doubt you can show me a bunch of biased blogs written by amateurs predicting the death of Windows Mobile, I highly doubt you can show me where anyone who knows anything about business or investment agrees with that sentiment.

[ehanhan]

Originally Posted by x10guy

I'm curious. Do you have a link for the number of Windows mobile sales licenses?

Secretly I hope you are right but almost every news article, every pundit I read says the same thing. MS Windows Mobile is in trouble. Even MS exec Ballmer admited they screwed up with Windows Mobile (just google it) this past Oct.

From A right to Z, eh?

To say Windows Mobile is in trouble implies it is on the verge of failure

Ballmer said they dropped the ball with the release of 6.5 which they did.

Do those things add up to a windowsmobile failure? Far from it.

Most people *I included sometimes* forget the business end of this business (lol) Sales to business account for high margin high volume sales and its not like businesses with WM devices are switching to Android anytime soon.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by ehanhan

From A right to Z, eh?

To say Windows Mobile is in trouble implies it is on the verge of failure

Ballmer said they dropped the ball with the release of 6.5 which they did.

Do those things add up to a windowsmobile failure? Far from it.

Most people *I included sometimes* forget the business end of this business (lol) Sales to business account for high margin high volume sales and its not like businesses with WM devices are switching to Android anytime soon.

There is another thread on PPC Geeks somewhere that cites a recent Consumer Reports article which named the Touch Pro 2 as the best business smartphone on the market.

EDIT:
Here it is:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=99651

"According to Consumer Reports as seen in TG Daily, the Verizon Touch Pro2 running Windows Mobile is the second most highly rated smartphone this year. The first was the iPhone 3GS. That’s not much of a surprise considering how often the Touch Pro2 sold out online. Windows Mobile also got top marks for business phones (outscoring iPhones, Android, and Blackberries). Although that might be a surprise if you frequent all the Technology news sites and have seen their often unreasonably bad reviews of Windows Mobile. It’s in fashion to hate on Windows Mobile and lust after Google’s Android these days even though Android still isn’t that great.

This reality distortion field that everyone seems to be caught up in seems to have gotten to Microsoft as well. The analyst who wrote the TG Daily article, argues that Windows Mobile could be very competitive if Microsoft put any effort into gaining mind-share for the product, but they appear to have given up and ran away to work on Windows Mobile 7. Sure, Windows Mobile 6.x isn’t as fantastic as the Zune HD or Windows 7, but it still has many advantages over the other smartphone competitors currently in the market.

What do you think? Would a better marketing push help the current version of Windows Mobile? Or has the popular perception that Windows Mobile sucks already completely taken over for this version?"

Pretty funny, they mention biased bloggers not knowing what they're talking about too...

[x10guy]

It no use arguing over this anymore.
OK I say we revisit this in 6 months.

Saltydawg says:

1. MS stock price is higher primarily because that Windows Mobile licences are at all time high.

2. Also all those articles about the demise of Winmo are written by biased amateurs.

3. Most of us have it wrong on Winmo. Even though it has fallen to 4th place, it was part of the plan, and it is still headed higher and will be leading once again in 2010 when Winmo 7 comes out.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

It no use arguing over this anymore.
OK I say we revisit this in 6 months.

Saltydawg says:

1. MS stock price is higher primarily because that Windows Mobile licences are at all time high.

2. Also all those articles about the demise of Winmo are written by biased amateurs.

3. Most of us have it wrong on Winmo. Even though it has fallen to 4th place, it was part of the plan, and it is still headed higher and will be leading once again in 2010 when Winmo 7 comes out.

No, incorrect. What I am saying is...

1: If Windows Mobile was in as much trouble as you say, MS stock would not be at it's highest in over a year, with higher than expected dividends being paid.

2: Yes, the vast majority of those Windows Mobile doom and gloom articles are written by biased amatuers who don't know what they're talking about.

3: Yes, WM losing market share was part of the plan. MS put all their focus on WM 7. Once they had a record setting year last year, with the vast majority of the sales being locked into 2 year contracts, MS knew they could focus on WM 7 for another year without losing many customers. Once their contracts are up, WM 7 will be the talk of of the tech circles. Look for the 4th quarter 2010 (which I think is actually part of their fiscal year 2011) to be the best ever for Microsoft. And if you care to read any investment reports, this is pretty much what Microsoft has been saying all along- ever since Windows Mobile 7 got delayed.

Wall Street will always give you much better information than some average joe who decided to write an opinionated blog. While average joe may very well hate Microsoft and want them to fail, he likely has no clue about how business or investment works and probably never read any of Microsoft's estimates or quarterly reports. You want unbiased information? Watch Wall Street. Even if one of those biased amateur blogs turned out to be correct- Wall Street would still reflect it.

[oZo]

Originally Posted by newvet

I also do not like most of the new phones on the roadmap. Unless more phones are added or I get really bored (most likely will) I will keep my Touch Pro 2 for 2 years. Good thing I like it a lot.

+1 on the Touch Pro 2!

...if only it had a Snapdragon CPU, (at least) 8GB storage, more ram, a re-introduced D-pad, a 5MP camera with flash & dedicated button...

OMG! I just designed the perfect Winmo phone!

lol

[capthr]

I'd "snap" this up if it came to Sprint!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/h...-more-lucidly/

[ajac]

wonder what sprint will get if anything.. still tihnk the htc hd2 is more appealing that that horrible line up maybe that line up just for tmoble and sprint will get a leaked htc roadmap.,. sigh I can wish right?

[acts]

Originally Posted by ehanhan

From A right to Z, eh?

To say Windows Mobile is in trouble implies it is on the verge of failure

Ballmer said they dropped the ball with the release of 6.5 which they did.

Do those things add up to a windowsmobile failure? Far from it.

Most people *I included sometimes* forget the business end of this business (lol) Sales to business account for high margin high volume sales and its not like businesses with WM devices are switching to Android anytime soon.

I think this is the most accurate post concerning windows mobile. If you google the engadget interview with Peter Chou (HTC president) from 2007, you'll notice that he feels the iPhone and android platform cater to a different market segment than windows mobile. Chou's position is that they'll continue supporting and enhancing WinMobo for the business sector, and use android to compete with the iPhone. Look at the situation now, Touch Pro 2 is the best selling business phone behind the iPhone, and android is in the market catered to iPhone users.

However, sooner or later, those two markets are going to collide, which they are starting to do now, and then it'll be a showdown of higher end processors, memory, screen, functionality and a more mature Android, Symbian, iPhone OS, WebOS (hopefully they're still around) and WinMobile. Windows Mobile is in a good position to cross over from the business side to the iPhone type of social segment if they get things right, but Windows Mobile 7 is going to have to be really good. However, they need to start realizing that they own the business segment and need to continue enhancing that to stay in front of Android. Because sooner or later, Android is going to cross over to the business segment. Someone else earlier pointed to winmo 6.5 having certain advantages in the business side still, even after they dropped the ball.

[acts]

just thought of something, I was browsing the HTC hero section of the forum, and one user summed it up nicely, he uses his htc touch pro 2 during the week (business) because it just works with his windows, and his hero on the weekend.

this is to back up what i'm saying in the previous post.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...=100413&page=4

Originally Posted by IFMISM

the hero rocks, no doubt. but waht keeps me going back to wm is the os. i know sounds funny with all the lock ups and slow downs, but what i find is that my work programs and sites are made for windows. so during the week i have to use the tp2 to get my work done. but on the weekends the hero is my hero

long story short, i'm excited to see what the 2nd half of 2010 is like for win mobile 7 and htc.