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[brownhornet]

No matter how you cut it winmo is a dying breed.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

No matter how you cut it winmo is a dying breed.

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.

Windows Mobile license sales are at an all time high right now. That means they are selling more copies than ever.

They are losing market share because the market itself is growing even faster than Windows Mobile. But I don't see how you can say Windows Mobile is dying when it is selling more than licenses than ever.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.

Windows Mobile license sales are at an all time high right now. That means they are selling more copies than ever.

They are losing market share because the market itself is growing even faster than Windows Mobile. But I don't see how you can say Windows Mobile is dying when it is selling more than licenses than ever.

I'm curious. Do you have a link for the number of Windows mobile sales licenses?

Secretly I hope you are right but almost every news article, every pundit I read says the same thing. MS Windows Mobile is in trouble. Even MS exec Ballmer admited they screwed up with Windows Mobile (just google it) this past Oct.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

I'm curious. Do you have a link for the number of Windows mobile sales licenses?

Secretly I hope you are right but almost every news article, every pundit I read says the same thing. MS Windows Mobile is in trouble. Even MS exec Ballmer admited they screwed up with Windows Mobile (just google it) this past Oct.

Well I don't have any current data, but here is last year's:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a...-Mobile-sales/

"Microsoft sold more than 18 million copies of its Windows Mobile operating system for phones and other mobile devices in 2008, it announced, a new annual record."

And mind you, this was before WM 6.5, and before the Touch Pro 2 became the highest rated business device and second highest rated smartphone overall...

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Well I don't have any current data, but here is last year's:...

I KNEW there was something wrong when you said that they were breaking records. Sorry when you say that "everyone couldn't be so wrong"... you are just asking for people to check out your facts.

Do you realize that link you shared is from the 2007/2008 fiscal year. That fiscal year ended in June 2008!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you need to start reading up on current mobile news. Here is a more recent one from last month:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...lunge_20_in_Q3

The real kicker is that although smarthphones increase overall by 13%, Windows mobile plunged 20%.

Here is another quote:

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer criticized Windows Mobile in late September, saying that Microsoft had "screwed up with Windows Mobile." The company had recently reorganized the Windows Mobile team in advance of the 6.5 release and next year's 7.0 release.
Several industry analysts have questioned whether Windows Mobile will last beyond version 7.0.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

I KNEW there was something wrong when you said that they were breaking records. Sorry when you say that "everyone couldn't be so wrong"... you are just asking for people to check out your facts.

Do you realize that link you shared is from the 2007/2008 fiscal year. That fiscal year ended in June 2008!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you need to start reading up on current mobile news. Here is a more recent one from last month:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...lunge_20_in_Q3

The real kicker is that although smarthphones increase overall by 13%, Windows mobile plunged 20%.

Here is another quote:

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer criticized Windows Mobile in late September, saying that Microsoft had "screwed up with Windows Mobile." The company had recently reorganized the Windows Mobile team in advance of the 6.5 release and next year's 7.0 release.
Several industry analysts have questioned whether Windows Mobile will last beyond version 7.0.

The author of that article took the facts out of context, and by extension so did you.

What that article is saying, is that Microsoft's 3rd quarter sales declined by 20% over the same 3rd quarter of last year. Now, since we know MS had a record setting 3rd quarter last year, and subsidies are on a 2 year cycle, then it is no surprise that 3rd quarter sales were lower this year than last year.

The bottom line is there are more current Windows Mobile licenses out there right now than there have ever been before.

You could easily look at it like this:
Since we know they had a record setting 3rd quarter last year, and device subsidies are on a 2 year cycle (except iPhones, which AT&T caved and gave them all new customer prices to get the new model after a year), that means in another year they should have another record year for sales. Guess what else is currently scheduled for 1 year from now? That's right- WM 7. So at a time when they are already expecting record sales anyway, they are releasing the highly anticipated WM 7. I think you know where I'm going withthat so I'll just stop there.

As for Ballmer's comments- again, taken out of context. He was saying they had made some mistakes in the direction they took Windows Mobile in the past, but that they had already taken action to correct the mistakes. He was not implying that they were killing it off. He was saying something to the effect of, "It's pretty good right now, and it is going to get a whole lot better. We know we could have done some things better, and now we have a new team in place, working harder than ever before, to make it the best platform on the market for years to come."

The MS haters out there took his comments and twisted them into something along the lines of, "We know we screwed up. We're about ready to throw in the towel because there is no recovery at this point." And that is simply not what he meant at all.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The author of that article took the facts out of context, and by extension so did you.
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I don't know how you take it out of context... Numbers are numbers. How do you spin going down 20% when the rest of the market went up 13% into a positive? That means your decline was even greater, when compared to the others.

Look, you are certainly entitled to your opinion... but it's not just a few of us on one tiny insignificant thread that are making this stuff up. These are big industry publications, industry pundits and experts too.
Look, I'm not a MS hater. I 've used PPC for the last 7 years! I actually secretly hope you are right in being so "rosy" for Winmo... but I really believe you are in the minority.


Also you never responded concerning the "old" article that you posted. You have to admit that your assumption is based on data that is 18 months old. And if you do have data that proves "we are all wrong"... we'd love to read it.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

I don't know how you take it out of context... Numbers are numbers.

Look, you are certainly entitled to your opinion... but it's not just a few of us on one tiny insignificant thread that are making this stuff up.

There are big industry publications, industry pundits and experts to.
Look, I'm not a MS hater. I 've used PPC for the last 7 years! I actually secretly hope you are right in being so "rosy" for Winmo... but I really believe you are in the minority.


Also you never responded concerning the "old" article that you posted. You have to admit that your assumption is based on data that is 18 months old

No man, I'm not in the minority. Check the dividends MS is paying their shareholders because their performance consistently beats the quarterly estimates. The information you are reading is incredibly biased against MS, and that is why it seems like it's a fact known by a majority or something.

As for my numbers- you realize that the numbers you posted were citing a drop as compared to the numbers I posted- right? And the numbers I posted (record numbers, I might add) are from well within the products 2 year life cycle. So when you take it all into context, it all adds up to Windows Mobile added more customers than ever last year, and they continue to grow (though the growth has slowed as compared to last year).

I wonder what the growth would have looked like if all the carriers agreed to let current Windows Mobile users who still had more than a year left on their contract, all get a brand new device for $200 just because HTC released a hot new phone less than a year after they bought theirs. Again, that is what AT&T did with iPhone customers. They let them all get the new iPhone for $200- even though they had more than a year left on their current contracts from when they bought their current iPhone. AT&T later started requiring high priced data plans from all of their other smartphone customers to make up for the iPhone subsidy, which is why my GSM Touch Pro 2 is no longer being serviced and I have a Sprint Touch Pro 2 now.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

No man, I'm not in the minority. Check the dividends MS is paying their shareholders because their performance consistently beats the quarterly estimates. The information you are reading is incredibly biased against MS, and that is why it seems like it's a fact known by a majority or something.

As for my numbers- you realize that the numbers you posted were citing a drop as compared to the numbers I posted- right? And the numbers I posted (record numbers, I might add) are from well within the products 2 year life cycle. So when you take it all into context, it all adds up to Windows Mobile added more customers than ever last year, and they continue to grow (though the growth has slowed as compared to last year).

I wonder what the growth would have looked like if all the carriers agreed to let current Windows Mobile users who still had more than a year left on their contract, all get a brand new device for $200 just because HTC released a hot new phone less than a year after they bought theirs. Again, that is what AT&T did with iPhone customers. They let them all get the new iPhone for $200- even though they had more than a year left on their current contracts from when they bought their current iPhone. AT&T later started requiring high priced data plans from all of their other smartphone customers to make up for the iPhone subsidy, which is why my GSM Touch Pro 2 is no longer being serviced and I have a Sprint Touch Pro 2 now.

You are kidding me about the dividend as evidence for Windows mobile growth right??? Sigh, please check your facts again. Trust me, Microsofts profit and subsequent divident is NOT from Windows Mobile sales. Also, trust me, 2 year cycle is an eternity in smartphones cycles.

And you tend to make alot of claims about numbers and you make deductions saying... "see it is higher than ever before"... but you never provide any proof.

Believe me, I wish you were right, but links please? Your previous link was from June 2008.

I've actually tried to do some legwork for you by googling "Windows mobile licenses", "Windows mobile all time high"... but come up empty.
In fact, usually the opposite come up. Articles that point to the decline of Winmo. So you can't say that I really am trying to believe you...

[x10guy]

OK, let's just call this a truce and check back in 6 months and see if any of our stances change... By that time, I REALLY think we'll get a better picture of what is going on in the mobile OS arena.