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[x10guy]

OK here is what I found so far. I tried to pick different articles so you won't say that it's all from one source. And believe or not, I'm still finding more and more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/te...er=rss&emc=rss

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ne-os-race.ars

http://www.betanews.com/article/See-...oot/1259877453

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10399808-62.html

OK, your turn. Where are your sources?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Just curious. Do you actual read my posts? I NEVER said that that "Windows Mobile is coming to an End". I actually said the contrary. Winmo will always be around because Microsoft is so big. All I'm saying is that Winmo is on the decline. I never said it was going away.

OK. I'll give you a list. It's going to take a few minutes (in another post) because there are so many. But again where are yours credible news sources?

You keep on saying all this stuff. Just put up links and be done with it.
The longer you keep on avoiding it... the more you seem to be making this stuff up.

Look I'll become more a believer that Winmo is actually healthy and growing as you say.... just provide some links?

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year. With the nature of this business being a 2 year agreement, are you saying the majority of them are not using Windows Mobile anymore? Please post a link that supports that ridiculous claim, if that is in fact what you are claiming. If you don't dispute that, then I will be left to assume you agree- most of the peoiple that bought WM phones last year still have them.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

Those are undisputed facts at this point. If you want to dispute them, I'm still waiting.

So assuming you agree with the above undisputed facts, then we now know there are more Windows Mobile users right now than there have ever been in the past.

This, perhaps, is part of the reason that Microsoft's stock is not taking a beating. Because if Microsoft had been soundly beaten on the Mobile front, like you keep claiming, then you can be absolutely sure their stock would reflect it. On the contrary, their stock is higher than it has been in over a year, and it has been steadily climbing all year.

Now, please stop pretending that I haven't posted anything. On the contrary, you haven't posted one iota of evidence so far. All you did was act like your opinion trumped all the facts, and posted your opinion over and over.

[x10guy]

Still more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...mobile-android

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...s_android.html

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune....ne-year-later/ (this one is actually from CNNMoney website)


Hey I actually found one for you... but he does admit that Microsoft blew it but he thinks they can come back. (again I never said that Winmo was going away....)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=2594

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

I already explained, I don't think sales figures from 2007/2008 counts as confirmation of your statement. And I don't think anyone else does... just look at the MORE RECENT sales figures. We can disagree on cycle times but I think most people on this board will agree with me, that sales figures from 18 months ago does NOT prove that the Winmo marketshare is growing in 2009 and 2010.

Also, Consumer reports article is more on the useability and performance standpoint. Nice article but it DOES NOT support your contention that Windows mobile licenses are at an all time high and is growing.

All I'm asking is for recent articles that support your position. That's all.
That can't be that hard to do.

[x10guy]

Just to clarify:

Your position is that Windows Mobile is growing and at an all-time high. (or at least Winmo licenses are at an all time high)

My position is that Windows Mobile is declining and is losing market share. Again, I never said that Winmo is going away. I contend they've really had some serious misteps and lost their leadership they once held.

[MrObvious]

You two need a room.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by MrObvious

You two need a room.

Hilarious...
Seriously I really want to believe him and I've googled it plenty of times but I can't find any recent data.

Also his contention that Microsoft's high stock price is directly related to Windows Mobile.... I'd say the success of Windows 7 is probably a much bigger factor in their stock price.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

OK here is what I found so far. I tried to pick different articles so you won't say that it's all from one source. And believe or not, I'm still finding more and more.

Lets look at these one by one and see if any of them are qualified to say anything about Windows Mobile from a business perspective, or just some tech bloggers telling us which platform they like the best.

Originally Posted by x10guy

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/te...er=rss&emc=rss

This artcle was written by, and this is a copy and paste from your link: "Saul Hansell is a technology reporter for the New York Times..."
He is NOT making a business case against Windows Mobile. He is making a case for which platform he prefers.

Originally Posted by x10guy

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ne-os-race.ars

This artcle was written by, and this is a copy and paste from your link: "Chris is a high-functioning high school and college dropout..."
Are you serious? This guy is obviously not making a business case against Windows Mobile either.

Originally Posted by x10guy

http://www.betanews.com/article/See-...oot/1259877453

This artcle was written by, and this is a copy and paste from your link: "Carmi Levy is a Canadian-based independent technology analyst and journalist still trying to live down his past life leading help desks..."
Again this is obviously not claiming to be a business case against Windows Mobile.

Originally Posted by x10guy

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10399808-62.html

OK, your turn. Where are your sources?

This artcle was written by, and this is a copy and paste from your link: "Dave Rosenberg dishes up "Software, Interrupted" with nearly 15 years of technology and marketing experience..."
Again, he is clearly NOT making a business case against Windows Mobile.


First off, none of those are business cases against Windows Mobile. None of those guys are even claiming they are qualified to tell us what a corporation needs to do to succeed. It is a bunch of tech bloggers telling us why they like whichever platform better.

As for my links, here you go (again):
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a...-Mobile-sales/
And the relevant quote:
"Microsoft sold more than 18 million copies of its Windows Mobile operating system for phones and other mobile devices in 2008, it announced, a new annual record."
So now we know that MS sold a record number of Windows Mobile smartphones just last year.

Here is some proof that 2 year contracts are the norm in the USA:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/te...y/10money.html
SO now we can put 2 and 2 together, and we know that most of those all time high sales customers from last year, have 2 year contracts so they are likely still using Windows Mobile devices.

Here's one by the same guy at the New York times you linked to:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...he-magic-back/
MS is shown in a much more positive light in that one. Again though, this is not a business case for WIndows Mobiloe, just an opinion based on what the author thinks as a consumer.

Here is the proof that the Touch pro 2 is the hottest business device right now and Verizon had trouble keeping it in stock:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=99651
and
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/veriz...-to-iphone-3gs

How is Microsoft's stock doing? Lets find out:
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=M...urce=undefined

What do the professional analysts say about it? Lets find out:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=MSFT

Adding it all up- Windows Mobile, while not selling as much as the iPhone (but still more than Android) has more customers right now than they ever have before. With Windows Mobile 7 due out next year, and a large percentage of Windows Mobile users due for a new device subsidy at that same time, big things are expected next year.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Hilarious...
Seriously I really want to believe him and I've googled it plenty of times but I can't find any recent data.

Also his contention that Microsoft's high stock price is directly related to Windows Mobile.... I'd say the success of Windows 7 is probably a much bigger factor in their stock price.

Look man, I clearly spelled this out in a previous post, but I'll say it again:

There are MANY factors in the stock price. But if Windows Mobile is not dragging the price or the dividends DOWN, then it is NOT in trouble. Clearly, if investors though Windows Mobile was a problem for Microsoft, it would be reflected in the stock price and Analysts opinions (which I have linked to and I challenge you to find any of this doom and gloom crap there).

[x10guy]

Like I said, let's see what happens in 6 months and we can reevaluate our positions.

One other thing. The MS stock price is high. I never said it wasn't. But I don't think Windows Mobile has much to do with it. Compared to their PC Operating system and Office packages, etc... Windows Mobile is such a small small percentage of their business.