Prefer User Customization or Tweaked ROM

[boggsie]

I'd start a poll, but I'm not exactly sure how to do that ...

I was going to start out by saying that I have been struggling with this, but that’s really not the case. I haven’t been doing enough to justify the term struggling.

I have been doing a fair amount of research, etc. and exactly what I am looking for does not exist ... That brings me to this message …

What I really want, is a ROM that includes the absolute bare minimum (or thereabouts) necessary to result in a working ROM / PPC Phone. Something along the following:

BASE = Current Sprint OEM for Touch / Vogue

EXTRACTED or REMOVED
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Obviously the goal here is not simply to remove, eliminate or prevent the shortcuts from showing up in the start menu, etc.

The goal is to remove the underlying application and supporting registry entries … while maintaining stability (of course).
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Kitchenish Items
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Enterprise
Internet Sharing
Remote Desktop Mobile
Transcriber
VoIP

Programs
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TouchFLo
BioTouch
Get On Demand
Instant Messaging
Internet Sharing
Java
Live Search
Messenger
Mobile Email
Music
Sprint TV
Voice Speed Dial
Windows Live
Zip
HTC Home

Settings - Personal
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Large Start Menu
Voice Speed Dial

Settings - System
-----------------
Customer Feedback
Error Reporting
Long Press End Key
TouchFLO
Windows Update

ADDED
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User Customization
Microsoft Voice Command (newest build, based on Kaiser)
Office Mobile OneNote

This ROM, in and of itself is pretty useless, but it would provide a very good foundation for using User Customization in order to load the prefered applications from an SD card.


Does this approach make sense to anybody else? Would you prefer a tweaked ROM that somewhat satisfied your needs or a bare-boned base, upon-which you could use User Customization to build the exact ROM that you want?


Best regards,
-boggsie

[InvincibleLiving]

what's wrong with the kitchen.. it would cut out alot of the work....

[rstoyguy]

There for a while I tried that approach because when you cook a rom everything goes into \windows. I thought that UC would save me a couple seconds everytime I went into \windows with TotalCommander. Ended up that I did save a couple seconds, but at the expense of my UC's running on for 30-45 minutes. Now I do a happy mix of both. But the clean rom base is not the way, I use OMJ's. Strip out what I don't need, add a couple things I do and install the rest with UC.

Edit: I remove aebplus, htc home customizer(don't use it), and total commander. I add in custom sounds (phoneoff/on.wav customalarm2.wav, splash screens, a couple misc oem's and the rest are now UC. I don't do that much to his rom.

[boggsie]

Originally Posted by nautica2450

what's wrong with the kitchen.. it would cut out alot of the work....

Right; and I am very much in favor of the PPCKitchen approach, but right now, there aren't any kitchens out there (that I am aware of), which:

• are setup for the Touch / Vogue
• use the WM6 Sprint OEM as a base
• don't mix in parts of WM6.1 (WM6.1 appears to add occasional instability)
• will enable / permit complete selection or elimination of items via check-box in BuildOS.exe, such as the remove section of my list.

As you know Nautica, using the PPCKitchen with the Titan / Mogul, you could fire up BuildOS and select the last Sprint / HTC OEM (selections.txt) as a base and then eliminate all of the OEM junk that you didn't want in your ROM as well as adding in other options.

I guess, in a way, now that I think about it, this is probably just a veiled attempt (perhaps poor) to encourage a grass-roots effort for PPCKitchen support for the Touch / Vogue.

[boggsie]

Originally Posted by rstoyguy

There for a while I tried that approach because when you cook a rom everything goes into \windows. I thought that UC would save me a couple seconds everytime I went into \windows with TotalCommander. Ended up that I did save a couple seconds, but at the expense of my UC's running on for 30-45 minutes. Now I do a happy mix of both. But the clean rom base is not the way, I use OMJ's. Strip out what I don't need, add a couple things I do and install the rest with UC.

OMJ does great work, as do the other chef's, but everything that meets my requirements (that I can see, anyway) is a mix of WM6 & WM6.1 and every one of the ROMs seems to have a level of instability, perhaps due to the WM6.1 equation.

The instability is actually the primary catalyst for this. Gimme a stripped down stock Sprint OEM base, which will presumably be stable (at the expense of the WM6 memory leaks) and I'll add whatever else I need via User Customization.

I am curious, though - what, or rather how many things are, or were you adding via User Customization, which caused the process to run for 30 minutes?

[OMJ]

thanks for the kind comments....


I think UC + kitchen/tweaked rom combo is the way to go.....

The kitchen/tweaked rom will give most of the programs that you want added, and the UC puts the final touchs on it.....in my case, UC installs (1)TouchPal (pro version), (2)a cab I made to copy all my IE favs to \windows\favs, and (3)a provisioning.xml file to add more user settings & especailly creates my 5+ email accounts (big time saver).

[jakdillard]

I personally think that if you're able to figure out how to use the vogue tools you can just build your own rom ...... come on taking OMJ's or anybody else's that they put their time into is lazy . Next 6.1 is stable its whats put into 6.1 that makes it lockup .... 6.0 just publicly surfaced last year right ? and some apps were not compatible ? what makes you think that a "test" version is gonna work any better ? Honestly I have used other WM6 devices and what I noticed that they all have a lockup at some point or HTC would not have invented the soft reset button even when I had a mogul I had to reset at least once a day.

[boggsie]

Originally Posted by jakdillard

come on taking OMJ's or anybody else's that they put their time into is lazy

In all fairness, that is a pretty short-sighted statement to make.

If you use freeware or open-source software (Linux) do you write your own kernel, piece together various parts of other peoples work or just download and install a working distribution?

I think that is a fairly decent anology.
It is possible to re-create everything necessary ...
It is possible to piece together all of the tools and make them work ...
It is possible to use a completely functional (PPCKitchen - just not for the Touch) ...

When you decided that you needed to get to and from a particular destination, did you create a new and unique mode of transportation or did you go out and choose from the available options? (bicycle, motorcycle, automobile, truck)

So, we're all probably a bit lazy, or maybe it's simply being practical or pragmatic ...

Best regards,
-boggsie

[jakdillard]

Originally Posted by boggsie

In all fairness, that is a pretty short-sighted statement to make.

If you use freeware or open-source software (Linux) do you write your own kernel, piece together various parts of other peoples work or just download and install a working distribution?

I think that is a fairly decent anology.
It is possible to re-create everything necessary ...
It is possible to piece together all of the tools and make them work ...
It is possible to use a completely functional (PPCKitchen - just not for the Touch) ...

When you decided that you needed to get to and from a particular destination, did you create a new and unique mode of transportation or did you go out and choose from the available options? (bicycle, motorcycle, automobile, truck)

So, we're all probably a bit lazy, or maybe it's simply being practical or pragmatic ...

Best regards,
-boggsie

If Microsoft says to Wideawake that all images on the ftp must be turned over to them or removed do you think he has to comply? This is because we are not using open source work we are simply changing whats already there.
Now with the customs alot of people take time to figure out how to tweak and add whatever to these roms for their own use mostly however we do share .... So how would you feel if you take the time and make something just to see that your work is being slightly changed and and p***** around ....... Like I said if you can break down a rom then you can build your own this has been discussed in the vogue forum before because this same issue was going on ......

[boggsie]

Originally Posted by jakdillard

If Microsoft says to Wideawake that all images on the ftp must be turned over to them or removed do you think he has to comply? This is because we are not using open source work we are simply changing whats already there. Now with the customs alot of people take time to figure out how to tweak and add whatever to these roms for their own use mostly however we do share .... So how would you feel if you take the time and make something just to see that your work is being slightly changed and and p***** around ....... Like I said if you can break down a rom then you can build your own this has been discussed in the vogue forum before because this same issue was going on ......

Can you or would you mind elaborating on the issue that you reference in your last sentence?

I may be mistaken, but it appears to me that the issue may be related to taking a ROM (*.nbh) file, using it as a donor, decomposing it and using the components as foundation for other work.

If that is the issue, then how can or how are people supposed to reconcile this issue, with the fact that there is a sticky in the upgrades forum describing exactly how to do this very thing?

How to for Developing http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20550