Can we stop the ROM madness?

I Like The Different ROMS Since Each Unique Builder Its Own Touch.

[spectheintro]

Honestly, I think a lot of you are missing his point entirely. Albeit he didn't explain it very well to begin with, but what he's suggesting is actually quite reasonable. If I understand him correctly, what he's describing is a ROM to replace carrier stock ROMs, that is a collaborative effort so that it utilizes all of the most experienced PPC chefs' expertise.

Before I go any further, don't tell me: "different people want different things." Sure, maybe I like TF3D and someone else likes TF3D2, but *everyone* wants their ROM to be a.) fast and b.) stable. This is a universal request. The collaboration between MM and Silence is the perfect example of this, and is probably the closest thing to what the OP is describing: a base ROM that is both fast and stable, and capable of being customized from the ground up. Nothing like this exists, to my knowledge, for WM 6.5, for what I would consider obvious reasons. But the general consensus (according to my completely unscientific exposure to these boards) is that MR5 is the most stable ROM using WM6.5. So, per the OP's logic, whatever basic OS components MR5 uses should be tweaked for speed and stability by as many experts as possible, and then EVERY ROM should use this base package on which to make their customizations. That way, any ROM offered on the board conforms to a minimum standard of speed and stability, so that when anyone asks: "what's the fastest/most stable ROM" we can simply point them to the base packages and say: "These. If you want more customization, you may sacrifice a bit of speed, and some of the fun custom stuff may not be as stable."

This in no way is "communism." It's just more intelligent allocation of resources. If everyone wants speed and stability, there's no reason why we should have every chef working in isolation to achieve that goal. Silence and MM are living proof of this: they have created a very fast, very stable ROM. That ROM should, in my opinion, serve as the basis for any 6.1 ROMs going forward.

In a perfect world, the carrier ROMs as provided would do this, but as we all know they seem incapable of programming an interface that works.

[x10guy]

Thanks for the long explanation but the short answer is STILL
It won't work. Simply there are just too many preferences and different viewpoints on what is really important in a ROM.

Not being harsh just realistic. Look at this thread. Almost ALL those experienced with ROMS and PPCgeeks VIPs almost unanimously agree.

Originally Posted by spectheintro

Honestly, I think a lot of you are missing his point entirely. Albeit he didn't explain it very well to begin with, but what he's suggesting is actually quite reasonable. If I understand him correctly, what he's describing is a ROM to replace carrier stock ROMs, that is a collaborative effort so that it utilizes all of the most experienced PPC chefs' expertise.

Before I go any further, don't tell me: "different people want different things." Sure, maybe I like TF3D and someone else likes TF3D2, but *everyone* wants their ROM to be a.) fast and b.) stable. This is a universal request. The collaboration between MM and Silence is the perfect example of this, and is probably the closest thing to what the OP is describing: a base ROM that is both fast and stable, and capable of being customized from the ground up. Nothing like this exists, to my knowledge, for WM 6.5, for what I would consider obvious reasons. But the general consensus (according to my completely unscientific exposure to these boards) is that MR5 is the most stable ROM using WM6.5. So, per the OP's logic, whatever basic OS components MR5 uses should be tweaked for speed and stability by as many experts as possible, and then EVERY ROM should use this base package on which to make their customizations. That way, any ROM offered on the board conforms to a minimum standard of speed and stability, so that when anyone asks: "what's the fastest/most stable ROM" we can simply point them to the base packages and say: "These. If you want more customization, you may sacrifice a bit of speed, and some of the fun custom stuff may not be as stable."

This in no way is "communism." It's just more intelligent allocation of resources. If everyone wants speed and stability, there's no reason why we should have every chef working in isolation to achieve that goal. Silence and MM are living proof of this: they have created a very fast, very stable ROM. That ROM should, in my opinion, serve as the basis for any 6.1 ROMs going forward.

In a perfect world, the carrier ROMs as provided would do this, but as we all know they seem incapable of programming an interface that works.

[k000]

waste of a thread...

[Leukay]

Originally Posted by k000

waste of a thread...

You're post is a waste of a post :P

[mlin]

Originally Posted by spectheintro

Honestly, I think a lot of you are missing his point entirely. Albeit he didn't explain it very well to begin with, but what he's suggesting is actually quite reasonable. If I understand him correctly, what he's describing is a ROM to replace carrier stock ROMs, that is a collaborative effort so that it utilizes all of the most experienced PPC chefs' expertise.

Before I go any further, don't tell me: "different people want different things." Sure, maybe I like TF3D and someone else likes TF3D2, but *everyone* wants their ROM to be a.) fast and b.) stable. This is a universal request. The collaboration between MM and Silence is the perfect example of this, and is probably the closest thing to what the OP is describing: a base ROM that is both fast and stable, and capable of being customized from the ground up. Nothing like this exists, to my knowledge, for WM 6.5, for what I would consider obvious reasons. But the general consensus (according to my completely unscientific exposure to these boards) is that MR5 is the most stable ROM using WM6.5. So, per the OP's logic, whatever basic OS components MR5 uses should be tweaked for speed and stability by as many experts as possible, and then EVERY ROM should use this base package on which to make their customizations. That way, any ROM offered on the board conforms to a minimum standard of speed and stability, so that when anyone asks: "what's the fastest/most stable ROM" we can simply point them to the base packages and say: "These. If you want more customization, you may sacrifice a bit of speed, and some of the fun custom stuff may not be as stable."

This in no way is "communism." It's just more intelligent allocation of resources. If everyone wants speed and stability, there's no reason why we should have every chef working in isolation to achieve that goal. Silence and MM are living proof of this: they have created a very fast, very stable ROM. That ROM should, in my opinion, serve as the basis for any 6.1 ROMs going forward.

In a perfect world, the carrier ROMs as provided would do this, but as we all know they seem incapable of programming an interface that works.

Several things:

1) I think we all understood pretty well.
2) You didn't clarify anything.
3) Saying that MR5 is the fastest and most stable is BS. There is no evidence to back this statement up. I use Juicy 8 and find it to be very fast and stable. To my knowledge there has yet to be a benchmark test performed on all of the latest releases to determine which is the fastest and stability is far too vague to make such a statement.
4) All ROMs replace the stock ROM. If he wants a collaborative effort, he can use one of the collaborated ROMs.
5) Different people want different things.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by k000

waste of a thread...

Agreed. Almost all the experienced PPCgeeks are unanimous in saying that although it is a nice idea it basically is not really realistic....

[karate134]

People have said this, but I have to put my say in.

What you just asked if like going to McFattie's and telling all the chefs to make the perfect hamburger and have nothing else on the menu. It might be better than anything ever, but not everyone likes hamburgers. And some people prefer sides as well.

The thing is people have different ideas about things. Sometimes you have to choose from one of two (or more) things. For speed you might have to sacrafice more pre-loaded apps. Some people can care less for speed and want the apps.

[EGOvoruhk]

That's a terrible analogy. I can't go get a plain burger from McFattie's and run a CAB file to "install" thousand island dressing and turn it into a Big Mac

But if I had a plain ROM, I could run a few CAB files, and have it look just like many of the custom ROMs out there

Personally I think it's a good idea. Have a few base ROMs that consisted of things that aren't CAB installable (Like 6.5), and then just start releasing add-on packs. It would pretty be like a computer. You install Windows, and then whatever else you want

[appzattak]

would be nice...but wont happen...