[Answered] [Please Lock] Is there such a thing as a perfect Touch Pro?

[jlam]

I got mine from BestBuy on the 1st (by which time they were on at least their 3rd shipment), and I've had almost none of these issues save for the possibility of my battery being subpar.

A couple of caveats are worth noting in may case, however:
- This is my first full PPC phone. I came from an original Q, but never had a mogul, PPC 6700, Touch or any of that. Closest I had was my old Dell Axim (RIP).
- I said the battery life is subpar, but I've been browsing the internet on Opera like crazy as well as just generally playing with the phone nearly constantly. It's been the antithesis of a productivity enhancer at work for me so far. I've also not installed any of the power tweaks that are out there to see if that helps things, though I might give that a shot tonight.

Other than that, I've got no real issues and am tickled ****ing pink with the phone so far. Reception is better than my old phone, internet is way faster, call quality is just as good, and no heat issues (just some normal warmth so far).

Que my phone totally going to crap now.

Originally Posted by saumaun

Thanks for those instructions. Now, is this a dramatic difference? If I go to the max sensitivity, would I be shocked at how sensitive it is?

TIA

Yeah, at 240 it is easily more sensitive than other touch screen devices I have used (including my friend's 3g iphone)... At this point, it's still accurate and I rarely cause it to respond by accidentally brushing over it. Adjust it a bit and see what you come up with, try 240 for a few days first.

[Palladium]

1) Voice sounds fine
2) speaker volume depends on app (phone is quieter than alerts, probably just a regedit issue still looking for that one...)
3) Scrapmaker, If you look at your photos, when I "touch" the A key with my thumb positioned like you had yours with the Touch, I get an A, when I touch it with my thumb positioned like you did with the TP, I get an S. Certainly a screen sensitivity issue, However, when I changed my touch panel sensitivity to 180, the accuracy improved to near perfect.

4) Battery Life: With NO Battery Registry Hacks:
with No polling email, heavy PPC usage, 1-2 hrs of phone usage 15-20 texts, and data on ONLY when sending emails and 30-40 minutes of web browsing all in a low signal area (-90 to -100db signal): 1.5 - 2 days.
With Polling email (Every 15 minutes) (everything else the same except data connection enabled) 12 hours Battery life
Change email Polling to every 30 minutes (everything else the same) about 24hrs (I was at 20% battery at 18 hrs when I put it on the charger)
Adding 2 hours of bluetooth during my commute decreased battery life about 1-2 hours.

Applied the powersave registry hacks, with 30 minute email polling and after 7 hrs off the charger I'm at 80% which should be about 1.5 days

(Yes I am very systematic in my approach to tweaking my unit, one variable at a time.....)

The heat issue (which you mentioned in another thread) has to be a radio problem, take the back off when your done with a long call and check I found that my Battery was as cool as a cuke, the electronics above it was as hot as a firecracker...

Also I picked mine up at BB....

[ScrapMaker]

I am blown away at these suggested battery lives...

If I have the following on, I get about 6 hours of life:
-Exchange (as items arrive.)
-Gmail (30 minutes.)
-Bluetooth Visible
-Slick/JiveTalk/Octrotalk

Today, I did not have my charger at work, and I have not installed anything, at all since I got this new phone. Not even exchange or gmail. Just a plain-old phone sitting there.

I took the phone off the charger at 9am, and by the time I left at 12:30pm, I was already at 70%. What? I made 15 minutes of phone calls, and the phone has decent reception in an EV-DO area.

[Palladium]

@ScrapMaker

This is a long post but bear with me...


Yesterday afternoon I had my battery go from 80% at noon to 10% at 3:00 (which REALLY P'd me off), only thing that I did different was use my bluetooth speakerphone for a good while (about 1.5 hrs) while on the road. The variations in battery life has "intrigued" me so I have done a little research with nuePower and found something interesting regarding power draw:

Using PPC 140-150 mA power draw (0.6W) (net life ~9 hours Continuous)
Phone radio on 350 - 600 mA Power Draw *** (2.4W) (net life ~4 - 2 hrs Cont.)
EVDO Radio On 600-650 mA power draw (2.6W) (net life ~ 2 hrs cont.)
Bluetooth Radio on 300 mA continuous 600 mA peak when advertising based on 33% advertising duty cycle on my unit about 400 mA average (1.6W) (~3.4 hours continuous)
Using Phone with Bluetooth Headset 800-950 mA (3.8W) (~1.4 hrs)

Looking at these numbers its obvious that "your results may vary" based on how you use the device. I am a heavy PPC user, moderate phone user (0.5 - 1 hr typical) and have my data set to drop the connection after checking mail (I'm using POP accounts)

***I found something REAL interesting with the Phone usage IF you place your hand at the top of the phone when talking (which I suspect is where the antenna is), I would see 600 - 620 mA power draw, holding it at the bottom (near the keypad) I would see 350 mA power draw which nearly doubles the talk time that you would see based on where you place your hand.

I went back and looked at the FCC Docs and the FCC found the power output for all the radios was between 0.25 - 0.29W. SO why are we seeing nearly 2W of power consumption to produce .25W of output? Seems to me there is an issue in the WCDMA and bluetooth Radios built in to the MSM7201A Chipset. I have not been able to find a datasheet on the chipset but I suspect there is a major BUG in the radio ROM as 10% efficiency in a transmitter seem extremely low to me...

Anybody else have any thoughts on this?? Anyone else seeing similar power usage numbers???

[ScrapMaker]

Originally Posted by Palladium

@ScrapMaker

This is a long post but bear with me...


Yesterday afternoon I had my battery go from 80% at noon to 10% at 3:00 (which REALLY P'd me off), only thing that I did different was use my bluetooth speakerphone for a good while (about 1.5 hrs) while on the road. The variations in battery life has "intrigued" me so I have done a little research with nuePower and found something interesting regarding power draw:

Using PPC 140-150 mA power draw (0.6W) (net life ~9 hours Continuous)
Phone radio on 350 - 600 mA Power Draw *** (2.4W) (net life ~4 - 2 hrs Cont.)
EVDO Radio On 600-650 mA power draw (2.6W) (net life ~ 2 hrs cont.)
Bluetooth Radio on 300 mA continuous 600 mA peak when advertising based on 33% advertising duty cycle on my unit about 400 mA average (1.6W) (~3.4 hours continuous)
Using Phone with Bluetooth Headset 800-950 mA (3.8W) (~1.4 hrs)

Looking at these numbers its obvious that "your results may vary" based on how you use the device. I am a heavy PPC user, moderate phone user (0.5 - 1 hr typical) and have my data set to drop the connection after checking mail (I'm using POP accounts)

***I found something REAL interesting with the Phone usage IF you place your hand at the top of the phone when talking (which I suspect is where the antenna is), I would see 600 - 620 mA power draw, holding it at the bottom (near the keypad) I would see 350 mA power draw which nearly doubles the talk time that you would see based on where you place your hand.

I went back and looked at the FCC Docs and the FCC found the power output for all the radios was between 0.25 - 0.29W. SO why are we seeing nearly 2W of power consumption to produce .25W of output? Seems to me there is an issue in the WCDMA and bluetooth Radios built in to the MSM7201A Chipset. I have not been able to find a datasheet on the chipset but I suspect there is a major BUG in the radio ROM as 10% efficiency in a transmitter seem extremely low to me...

Anybody else have any thoughts on this?? Anyone else seeing similar power usage numbers???

That would explain the heat issues as well.

[[sammich]]

Impressive conclusions! Id be interested to find where this other %90 power is going...

[ScrapMaker]

I am getting mine replaced today and I will play with ACB Power and NuePower to see what I can come up with as well... I wonder if different phones have different hardware (slightly.)

Maybe the people that don't experience heat, don't have the same issues.

I have a laser-thermometer that I will measure with next time it gets hot...

[Czechos]

Can someone please explain how to change the screen sensitivity, as in what program must I download and how do I go about changing the value within regedit. Also I see the value for 240, whats the decimal value for 180? Thank you so much!

[Palladium]

Originally Posted by Czechos

Can someone please explain how to change the screen sensitivity, as in what program must I download and how do I go about changing the value within regedit. Also I see the value for 240, whats the decimal value for 180? Thank you so much!

If you are using PHM Regedit, Navigate to HKLM\Drivers\TouchPanel

Click on the pressure threshold key and change the value to whatever you like (I used 180 decimal, others are using 240 decimal) to give you the sensitivity you like

@ Scrapmaker and Saumaun

Could you guys check your hardware, I noticed one thing about my TP. Sprint and HTC advertised using the Qualcomm 7201A cpu, mine has 7501A! I wonder if that has something to do with what is going on with these units...