one design problem with the evo

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

I don't think I could ever be as fast on a virtual keyboard as a real keyboard, but speed is only part of it anyway.

There is also the fact that your viewing area doesn't shrink when you type something if you have a real keyboard. And the whole typing without looking thing too.

I'm just as fast with the virtual, as I was on a slide out keyboard. The auto-correct on the Hero works incredibly most of the time.

But you are correct on the typing without looking. But with voice to text everywhere in android 2.1, typing will be so 2009

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by cornelious2

yes alot! (1.7mm) its about as smack dab in between the two as someone could tell at arms length. you keep getting caught up on the measurements steaming from one over exaggeration, the only point that really matters is it IS noticable and does affect pocket storage. (the tp2 as is shows signs its there the tp1 and mogul and diamond did not)

Okay, well maybe your leg muscles have the ability to measure something with scientific caliper accuracy, so you may be an exception. But for the vast majority of people out there, their leg muscles aren't going to notice a size difference of about half a cm between 2 devices that they don't have at the same time.

I'm also positive that you couldn't either by the way, but since you won't shut up about it I'll just concede that you might be a robot with a built in caliper system in your leg.

And no, the TP2 doesn't show any signs that it's there that the Mogul didn't also show, lol. try to dig up some old posts of people saying "this TP2 sure feels bigger than the Mogul in my pocket..." I'm sure there are plenty of posts of people citing numbers and saying the TP2 is bigger, or even side by side comparisons. But there is no way you are going to convince me the average person has leg muscles that can detect a size difference of less than a cm on 2 devices that they don't touch at the same time.

We need an eye doctor in here to tell us what kind of vision a person would require in order to even see that difference on 2 devices that they don't have at the same time (with nothing to compare them too).

Put both devices on the middle of a blank, white floor (not together, and not at the same time) and ask the average person to tell you which one was bigger. Not very many people who don't already know the answer will get it right.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by tokuzumi

I'm just as fast with the virtual, as I was on a slide out keyboard. The auto-correct on the Hero works incredibly most of the time.

But you are correct on the typing without looking. But with voice to text everywhere in android 2.1, typing will be so 2009

Voice to text doesn't work for me. I do a lot of typing at work, and I'm on the phone, in meetings, etc a lot of the time. Typing without looking is vital to my ability to multitask. I take notes in meetings on my phone while watching the presentation (or keeping eye contact), and I am constantly on the landline work phone, while using my work computer, and my phone all at the same time.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by tokuzumi

Isn't that one of the complaints people have with the droid? The keyboard? I've seen it in reviews. I think John from Droid Dog mentioned the small keyboard being an issue, plus the keys are flat, and don't offer much feedback. Talking to my cousin who bought one, doesn't like the keyboard. He always uses the onscreen, because the onscreen is actually a larger keyboard, due to the huge d-pad on the slide out. If he had it to do over, he would get the Eris. Also, in the "Droid Does" commercials, the onscreen keyboard was used more often than the slide out keyboard.

Also, there was no ad campaign for the Eris. Verizon did some generic advertising on their ads, but didn't mention what the phone could do. Marketing rules everything.

People may have wished the Droid had a better keyboard or whatever, but it was still better than not having one at all.

As for the marketing campaign- it was nothing compared to the iPhone marketing campaign. And lets not kid ourselves here, HTC is only abandoning keyboards because the iPhone sold so well without one. So it's nice to see a company beating HTC handily with a keyboard device as well.

The Droid Eris did have a marketing campaign anyway. Not only was Verizon advertising them, but HTC had all those "You" commercials with the Hero and Eris.

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The Droid Eris did have a marketing campaign anyway. Not only was Verizon advertising them, but HTC had all those "You" commercials with the Hero and Eris.

I think they only showed the Eris in one commercial. Same with the Hero. There wasn't much in the way of advertising. The droid took a cue from the iPhone marketing campaign. Show what the phone does, and how it can make your life "better". Although it did it in a more "in your face" type of manly way, whereas the iPhone is marketed to the bubble gum pop masses.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by tokuzumi

I think they only showed the Eris in one commercial. Same with the Hero. There wasn't much in the way of advertising. The droid took a cue from the iPhone marketing campaign. Show what the phone does, and how it can make your life "better". Although it did it in a more "in your face" type of manly way, whereas the iPhone is marketed to the bubble gum pop masses.

I saw several commercials with the Eris, lol. I saw Verizon commercials with the Eris, and a ton of those "You" commercials with it. In fact, I can't think of a "You" commercial that I saw and didn't have either the Hero or the Eris (until recently they started showing those HD2 commercials).

The bottom line is, a lot of people obviously want a keyboard and the proof is in the numbers. The Droid cost more, with the same functionality, and sold a ton more than the Eris.

I think HTC pretty much figured that since the iPhone sold so much, nobody wanted a keyboard. But Motorola has now proven otherwise. And I can recall seeing several Droid commercials where they touted the fact that it had a keyboard too.

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

I saw several commercials with the Eris, lol. I saw Verizon commercials with the Eris, and a ton of those "You" commercials with it. In fact, I can't think of a "You" commercial that I saw and didn't have either the Hero or the Eris (until recently they started showing those HD2 commercials).

The bottom line is, a lot of people obviously want a keyboard and the proof is in the numbers. The Droid cost more, with the same functionality, and sold a ton more than the Eris.

I think HTC pretty much figured that since the iPhone sold so much, nobody wanted a keyboard. But Motorola has now proven otherwise. And I can recall seeing several Droid commercials where they touted the fact that it had a keyboard too.

Maybe Verizon commercials are different in your area, but the typical Verizon commercial has that "Can you hear me now" guy following someone around, and then something witty happens. Then verizon mentions their network is the largest, and shows a picture of a phone, whether it be the Eris, the Palm phones, LG Chocolate, etc, and offers some type of BOGO offer. The HTC commercials were somewhat better, but didn't dive into the device like Apple does with the iPhone, and Motorola does with the Droid.

The problem is, you really can't compare sales of the Eris with the Droid. Verizon pushed the Droid as their halo phone. There was even a banner in Times Square just before launch. The eris was their lower end smartphone, and verizon treated it as such, with regards to marketing dollars. Plus, you can't argue the Droid's better hardware (processor, ram, and Android 2.0 vs the 1.5 on the Eris).

Marketing sells phones. Not keyboards, or the lack thereof.

[mindfrost82]

Originally Posted by nico4k

not a problem for me either...i have a 16GB SDHC card, hope that it can copy at usb 2.0 speeds while is on the phone though...(i notice copying is a lot faster on a usb/card reader than using in storage mode on the Sprint TP2)...

This design is the same as on the Nexus One. I haven't swapped out my 16Gb card since I got the phone.

As for storage mode, unfortunately for the N1, its similar to the WM phones. The write speed is a lot slower compared to using a card reader

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by tokuzumi

Maybe Verizon commercials are different in your area, but the typical Verizon commercial has that "Can you hear me now" guy following someone around, and then something witty happens. Then verizon mentions their network is the largest, and shows a picture of a phone, whether it be the Eris, the Palm phones, LG Chocolate, etc, and offers some type of BOGO offer. The HTC commercials were somewhat better, but didn't dive into the device like Apple does with the iPhone, and Motorola does with the Droid.

The problem is, you really can't compare sales of the Eris with the Droid. Verizon pushed the Droid as their halo phone. There was even a banner in Times Square just before launch. The eris was their lower end smartphone, and verizon treated it as such, with regards to marketing dollars. Plus, you can't argue the Droid's better hardware (processor, ram, and Android 2.0 vs the 1.5 on the Eris).

Marketing sells phones. Not keyboards, or the lack thereof.

And again, you can say the same thing about the iPhone. The marketing campaign over the last 3 years for the iPhone blows the Droid's out of the water.

We can make a reasonable assumption that HTC abandonded keyboards because of the iPhone. Why? Because pretty much all of their devices had keyboards until recently- when they lost their keyboards and also started looking a lot like the iPhone. Way back in the day the PPC-6600 had a keyboard though.

So if HTC is only trying to copy success, then the Droid beat them handily, in a head to head battle, on the same carrier. And if we're going to talk about marketing campaigns, then we also have to mention the iPhone's marketing campaign being the reason HTC got rid of keyboards in the first place.

Speaking of marketing campaigns, the Touch Pro 2 was sold out on Verizon for like a month or 2 when it first released. And that is with no marketing whatsoever, most stores not even carrying the device, and most store reps not even being trained on it. I'm pretty sure the Imagio didn't blow it out of the water in sales- even though the Imagio actually is stocked at all the stores, had a bunch of commercials, and reps were trained on it.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

And again, you can say the same thing about the iPhone. The marketing campaign over the last 3 years for the iPhone blows the Droid's out of the water.

We can make a reasonable assumption that HTC abandonded keyboards because of the iPhone. Why? Because pretty much all of their devices had keyboards until recently- when they lost their keyboards and also started looking a lot like the iPhone. Way back in the day the PPC-6600 had a keyboard though.

So if HTC is only trying to copy success, then the Droid beat them handily, in a head to head battle, on the same carrier. And if we're going to talk about marketing campaigns, then we also have to mention the iPhone's marketing campaign being the reason HTC got rid of keyboards in the first place.

Speaking of marketing campaigns, the Touch Pro 2 was sold out on Verizon for like a month or 2 when it first released. And that is with no marketing whatsoever, most stores not even carrying the device, and most store reps not even being trained on it. I'm pretty sure the Imagio didn't blow it out of the water in sales- even though the Imagio actually is stocked at all the stores, had a bunch of commercials, and reps were trained on it.

First of all there weren't too many TP2 in stock all together..second of all the droid eris did not have a head to head battle..the Motorola Droid had a lot more advertising for it..so much they even lit up the droid all over Times Square...for it to be even it has to be released side by side like the TP and Diamond and have equal exposure.