Keep Diamond or go to Pro?

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

the pro has a heatshield to dispense the heat, and the diamond doesn't. i had a lot of heat/charging related issues with the diamond. if i was on a phonecall, and the phone was half charged and charging, and i was on bluetooth, it would heat up to the point that it wouldnj't charge, then the battery would drain, and it would die mid call. then i'd call the person back, and it would die again, even while charging (without using bluetooth even). that's a huge problem for me, because i can't tell a client "hey, my phone is going to die, i'll call you back in a half hour".




i'm not gonna lie.. blackberries are stable. very. i'm not wiling to pay the data fee though. and i want to customize my device. iphone's are fairly stable too, but don't do the simple things like copy/paste, mms, gps, etc. i need that ****. pretty much anything that has been developed properly is going to be more stable than a windows mobile device, simply because there are so many windows mobile devices, which has always been the excuse with the comparison of pc vs mac. due to the numerous hardware differences, windows has always been in the business of making one software version that works with everything, and that system will never be perfect. but i don't have many problems with my pro, and i really didn't have that many windows related glitches with the diamond either. i have to soft reset sometimes, and it runs better for the rest of the day. the problems i have with the pro i didn't have with the diamond. thankfully though, i don't have the problems i had with the diamond on the pro though.

AWW yes, I forgot about the 'UNLIMITED EVERYTHING plan" ... we were forced to switch to it today when we added a line.... there is no more '$15' for sprint pcs vision... and no more $5 unlimited texting... of course I knew it was coming when verizon started making special plans just for their 'smart/ppc' phones that used extra data that were unlimimted for 99.99 and I was getting "unlimited" on my sprint plan with $15 for sprint pcs vision and $5 for unlimited texting... back when they were trying to figure out how to deal with people like me using the 'vision' service for wireless broadband....



Good comparison to the mac vs windows argument..... other developers can make stuff for windows, and some of it can be ****ty, but its made to be compatible... other computer manufacturers can use windows and install it on ****ty hardware and sell it, likewise, windows is just trying to be compatible. Then its up to the owner to decide what is quality and what isn't... Personally, I like others being able to develope, especially open source and development, but because it isn't commercially based... it won't have the resources for testing and debugging etc.... On the other end, mac and other closed dev. systems up their prices and tries to include *everything* you could need for it... then if you try to find something else, you better hope mac provides it (althought at a cost) cause its not as a likely to find it for free.... personally I see apple as more of a monopoly than microsoft... 'only our software can go on our equipment', it will not be compatible with opensource, come to us and pay more money... oh and yeah we downgraded that ipod so you have to go back to using itunes until 3rd parties catch up, and hopefully during that time you go back to using our itunes store so we can control where you buy music....

but yea thats more of a rant lol. thanks again for the info


so... is this like, the charging causes so much heat, it cannot charge and function at the same time.... or possibly from using the bluetooth while trying to charge it, it reaches a point where the heat is preventing charge at a rate the bluetooth connection is draining it faster? something like that??

[ou2mame]

towards the end of the battery, the discharge rate was higher than the charge rate with bluetooth enabled, but i noticed that it would get so hot that it wouldn't charge at all while using bluetooth (or data/wifi for that matter), and the battery would die that much quicker. but the discharge rate with actually using the phone is apparently higher than the charge rate. it just happens to die that much quicker when the thing can't charge at all. i haven't had this problem with the pro yet, but i constantly had it with the diamond. when i'm talking to numerous people, i put my phone on the charger. i expect it to charge while i talk. its a cellphone, so i shouldn't be confined to a wire, so i use the bluetooth. and it dies? that's a crap design if you ask me. it should be able to charge while using bluetooth. i understand if you're using bluetooth + wifi + talking, but just bluetooth? never had that problem with a phone before. i actually never thought that problem could even exist unitl i had a diamond.

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

tethering without a is against your user agreement, and if caught will get you your account canceled. if you owned a company, and had 50+ employees using their company phones on your company plan, tethering... sprint would probably notice. and they'd probably call you. and they could charge you for every kb if they can definitively say that there's no plausible way that that much data could be downloaded to your phone. i've read in a few places over the years since sprint started blocking unregistered nai's of this happening. if you run a company, these things have to be legit. its not worth the risk.

the pic quality issue is related to the poor quality of the camera program most likely. no apps running, fresh soft reset, and the pics come out as if they are stretched in ms paint and originally taken on my old sanyo 8100 lol. there's no point in having a 3.2mp camera if the program running it isn't fast enough to handle it. you just end up with really big, terrible pictures. i mean, if i hold the phone very steady, and have a LOT of light, then yeah, the pictures come out ok. but in anything less than daylight, without putting the camera on a solid surface, they come out pretty bad. i don't care how big they are, they're still terrible pictures. thats one of my major complaints with these phones.

I must say though, it is better than the 6800 cam app.... but that may be because my touch screen only worked when it choosed to. but I'm not a photo major lol


My plan is a shared plan with 'all data' included... pic, text, internet, even gps....
do you know if that covers the phone as modem (not that I care... i'm not a large corp.) or is that crap in the fine print...
I don't get the fact that they blocked, and straight out denied the gps capabilities on earlier models from HTC (which they just told HTC to block).... yet they leave the use phone as modem option right there for anyone to use.... its a pocket PC, how do they expect someone to think they are doin somethin against their contract when the contract says "Unlimited data plan" .... i'm sure you don't know, but yeah... if they didn't want people doing it, they could prevent it (until someone hacked it)...

[ou2mame]

Simply Everything


GPS: Unlimited maps, turn-by-turn directions and more with Sprint Navigation for Sprint and PowerSource phones, or TeleNav™ for Nextel phones. GPS reliability varies by environment.
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its typical that they wouldn't include this. its better business though, because anyone who needs it will pay for it. their data plans are still cheaper than anyone else, so you can't really complain.

they probably haven't blocked it because they haven't found a way yet. its difficult to block on a wm phone because of the way it connects in the first place. its fairly primitive. a wm phone is basically a pda with a cellular network connection. so since it already has that network connection, its harder for them to block it. they can block the gps because that's related to the hardware itself.

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

towards the end of the battery, the discharge rate was higher than the charge rate with bluetooth enabled, but i noticed that it would get so hot that it wouldn't charge at all while using bluetooth (or data/wifi for that matter), and the battery would die that much quicker. but the discharge rate with actually using the phone is apparently higher than the charge rate. it just happens to die that much quicker when the thing can't charge at all. i haven't had this problem with the pro yet, but i constantly had it with the diamond. when i'm talking to numerous people, i put my phone on the charger. i expect it to charge while i talk. its a cellphone, so i shouldn't be confined to a wire, so i use the bluetooth. and it dies? that's a crap design if you ask me. it should be able to charge while using bluetooth. i understand if you're using bluetooth + wifi + talking, but just bluetooth? never had that problem with a phone before. i actually never thought that problem could even exist unitl i had a diamond.

ok that makes sense.... I have an ipod player for my car, and it not only charges from the base, but it reads from the base usb port as welll, and then a line comes out of the cigarette adapter (basically no headphone cable in the top, it charges AND reads music from the bottom)...... if the ipod was dead, the device wouldn't work, because it would try and access the music at the same time as it charged, and constantly shut back off due to low battery. it only worked if it charged a second before reading audio from the usb.

it does sound like a crap design... but I had that problem at first with my 6700, and it turned out to be the charger?? Even with the phone plugged in, while I was talking on it, it would discharge faster than it would charge. Later, I bought one of those 'fast/rapid' chargers... simply cause mine broke, not that I thought it actually made a difference.... but somehow it did?

I noticed the pro showed a slightly lower battery life than the diamond, and I just attributed it to the sliding keyboard....
when I do heavy texting on my 6800 and the orientation is constantly changing, it drained the battery MUCH faster than usual.... I was fairly happy with my 6800, minus the more frequent freezes lately..... so hopefully with a little more memory I'll be able to get just what I need out of this one!

Random question..... do you know where to find the beer pong game that uses the motion detection to toss the ball?

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

its typical that they wouldn't include this. its better business though, because anyone who needs it will pay for it. their data plans are still cheaper than anyone else, so you can't really complain.

they probably haven't blocked it because they haven't found a way yet. its difficult to block on a wm phone because of the way it connects in the first place. its fairly primitive. a wm phone is basically a pda with a cellular network connection. so since it already has that network connection, its harder for them to block it. they can block the gps because that's related to the hardware itself.

yeah, thats what we had to change to.... it used to be I could tether and use wireless broadband from the 6800 for the $15/m pcs vision service lol...

I get what you say about them blockin the gps....but it was still hacked. I'd think they could do something to keep the 'typical' aka 'ignorant' user from using the phone as modem funtion without going through a 'sprint' program that signs them up... like their tv and radio and whatever else bs.... but I get what you mean, its built in to the PPC.... and the fact that it has cellular access isn't put their by sprint, they are just the ones that activate it.

they could request HTC to make it so the phone is not capable of internet sharing??? perhaps... i'm sure it'd be easy to break... but its like, looking at those data plans plus the extra $100 they pay for the card.... I just wanna be like, "hey, give me 20 dollars and i'll show you how you can do that with the phone you just bought instead, same line, no new equipment" lol

[ou2mame]

i know there's a beer app that simulates drinking beer, but beer pong? that'd be badass.

as for the discharge... both my wall usb chargers are 1amp, and the one in my car is 850ma.. i normally charge my phone in the car though, but i had the bluetooth problem with the wall chargers, one of which was the one that htc packaged with the diamond. my pro doesn't seem to get hot enough to not charge, so it can maintain its own battery under heavy usage and charging, but the diamond would just refuse to charge if used long enough to get hot enough to not charge. that was the main problem with it.

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

its typical that they wouldn't include this. its better business though, because anyone who needs it will pay for it. their data plans are still cheaper than anyone else, so you can't really complain.

I can't blame them for what makes sense as a buisness, and like I said I knew it was coming when verizon started making data bundles.....

but I can complain about the fact that I used to be able to do all the special stuff on my PPC just by paying the same 'PCS vision" that let others look at tiny websites, and send pictures =) soon it was just too obvious that sending media, texts, and looking at tiny websites on a tiny screen was in a different catagory than PDA and PPC devices that could actually serve as any computers one and only broadband connection to the net as well as all "pcs vision" services. but yeah... i'm glad their unlimited data plans are reasonable... especially adding lines (as long as those people use the data crap)

[ajm144k]

Originally Posted by psychotic

Random question..... do you know where to find the beer pong game that uses the motion detection to toss the ball?

i feel like you are that psychotic rambling on hijacking conversations way off onto random topics...after too much beer pong, a couple too many shotguns, and failed attempts of bong rips ending in the stoner getting pissed you just burned a quarter of his bowl of weed.

but,
if anyone has an answer to your question about controlling our ppcs from another larger touchscreen, i hope they find this thread and let us know.
I know that we can atleast, somehow, send our screens' live image out to another screen (bluetooth???), because there is a video on youtube of htc's cmo showing off his diamond with a huge screen right behind him showing what he is doing. but he was controlling his diamond right from the phone..

[psychotic]

Originally Posted by ou2mame

i know there's a beer app that simulates drinking beer, but beer pong? that'd be badass.

as for the discharge... both my wall usb chargers are 1amp, and the one in my car is 850ma.. i normally charge my phone in the car though, but i had the bluetooth problem with the wall chargers, one of which was the one that htc packaged with the diamond. my pro doesn't seem to get hot enough to not charge, so it can maintain its own battery under heavy usage and charging, but the diamond would just refuse to charge if used long enough to get hot enough to not charge. that was the main problem with it.

Well, my friend was playing beer pong on her iPhone , I figured it'd be called "table pong" somewhere.... using the motion sensor to actually throw the ball in the cup....

So I was checking out what was on my phone, and it had the game where you lay the phone flat... I can't think of the name... and move the ball past the holes.... so I figured it they both had games based on movement of the phone, then the touch pro should have a beer pong game!!! i wanna find it