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fusion 12-30-2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2026494)
I haven't put it down yet :D!

I just don't see how wp7 could be better than android. I was a wp user/developer for years though... android just does what I want, better.

Although I am a firm believer in to each is own. ;-)
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Dr.8820 12-30-2010 11:12 PM

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once you really try wp7, it's just like android but smooth. of course, I've only got 24 hours of it under my belt, but it's really a good start for the os. and the great thing is no more waiting for carriers to release the updates, they come straight from microsoft to the phone :). the only 2 pieces of bloatware on the hd7...tmobile navi and tmobile tv.

fusion 12-30-2010 11:23 PM

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once you really try wp7, it's just like android but smooth. of course, I've only got 24 hours of it under my belt, but it's really a good start for the os. and the great thing is no more waiting for carriers to release the updates, they come straight from microsoft to the phone :). the only 2 pieces of bloatware on the hd7...tmobile navi and tmobile tv.

I could see where ur coming from. Although with android since I am on the "bleeding edge" of cyanogen I always have the latest shiz. I didn't have anything against wp except a little lag.... I guess I just like the idea of open source and customization.

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gTen 12-30-2010 11:30 PM

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once you really try wp7, it's just like android but smooth. of course, I've only got 24 hours of it under my belt, but it's really a good start for the os. and the great thing is no more waiting for carriers to release the updates, they come straight from microsoft to the phone :). the only 2 pieces of bloatware on the hd7...tmobile navi and tmobile tv.

As I said before..the updates can't be rolled out until carriers approve them..so you still would end up waiting for carriers..

And its nothing like android >.>..its more like an iphone with a different UI..>.> lol

@fusion - wp is not the same as winmo...its a completely new OS from scratch..only thing in common/similar is the kernel...

2 Bunny 12-31-2010 01:15 PM

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just got my hd7....I will this thing to test and let you guys know the difference between winmo and wp7.

The difference? You'll be writing until your thumbs fall off. There is absolutely nothing similar about the two platforms except that they both do have a screen of some kind.

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aximtreo 12-31-2010 01:23 PM

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The more post and pages added to this thread shows a lack of doom and gloom for WP7 IMHO. I have had the Focus for three weeks and so far I have not needed to cut & paste; not sure I will have the need when it's added soon. I do know I love the OS, I love the simple interface; I hate not having direct sync with Outlook but am using a workaround until something commercially is available.

Dr.8820 12-31-2010 01:53 PM

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i think wp7 is an update or 2 from really giving the other os'es (is that a word?) a run, i laugh when i read some of these posts. most folks who complained about having to tweak and hack winmo to make it work would be pleasantly surprised by how fluid wp7 is if they would just try it and not go by what they've read. i don't want to sound like one of those guys who thinks mine's the best because i own it, i'm giving it a shot and then will have a better opinion of the os.

2 Bunny 12-31-2010 03:03 PM

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i think wp7 is an update or 2 from really giving the other os'es (is that a word?) a run, i laugh when i read some of these posts. most folks who complained about having to tweak and hack winmo to make it work would be pleasantly surprised by how fluid wp7 is if they would just try it and not go by what they've read. i don't want to sound like one of those guys who thinks mine's the best because i own it, i'm giving it a shot and then will have a better opinion of the os.

True, look at it this way.

Apple products can be "jailbroken"
Android devices can be given "root access"
What name could we use for WM7? Lets look through the PPCG blog articles... I know! "Windows Mobile 7" devices can be "fixed"

It really is annoying being as locked down as apple. Too late for MS to fix it now, so this time its up to us.

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Dr.8820 12-31-2010 03:32 PM

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how long did it take to do that though? remember, wp7 hasn't even been out two months yet :).

sp4rtan5 12-31-2010 03:40 PM

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how long did it take to do that though? remember, wp7 hasn't even been out two months yet :).

Congrats on your new htc device. Piece of crap.


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yankees45us 12-31-2010 03:47 PM

I don't think its doomed. Its been out for only couple months and they already have 5,000 apps. Plus their os is very smooth and alot of their apps are very good, like the netflix app. I'm looking forward to their os. I love android but w7 looks promising.

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sp4rtan5 12-31-2010 03:51 PM

Oh no. its doomed. Its kin 2. Rip.

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Dr.8820 12-31-2010 04:48 PM

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I don't think its doomed. Its been out for only couple months and they already have 5,000 apps. Plus their os is very smooth and alot of their apps are very good, like the netflix app. I'm looking forward to their os. I love android but w7 looks promising.

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Noir 12-31-2010 05:01 PM

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It's been gosh a month almost 2 since I've been using windows phone 7 - going from the hd7 to the dell venue pro. There are somethings I regret, like no mkv player or ogg or flac player, but otherwise I love the experience. I got android flashed on my hd2 and it is still slow...
I can't go back to android I can't go back to windows mobile or apple. I'm good

gTen 12-31-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2027421)
It's been gosh a month almost 2 since I've been using windows phone 7 - going from the hd7 to the dell venue pro. There are somethings I regret, like no mkv player or ogg or flac player, but otherwise I love the experience. I got android flashed on my hd2 and it is still slow...
I can't go back to android I can't go back to windows mobile or apple. I'm good

You can't call a port of Android the same as the actual thing..I know HD2 went a long way..but if you say try a Galaxy S phone..its a world of difference..I have 0 lag while opening multiple programs and 3d games running in background..

Noir 12-31-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2027426)
You can't call a port of Android the same as the actual thing..I know HD2 went a long way..but if you say try a Galaxy S phone..its a world of difference..I have 0 lag while opening multiple programs and 3d games running in background..

you're right
however
the epic 4g sucked balls out of the box and easily was one of the worst android experiences I ever had. Even with a custom build of android on that, it didn't beat the hd2 even with lagfree! And while I won't quip regarding hd2 v android, the point was even in august before wp7 hit, I was surprised at just how cheap android felt on the device that was par excellence
that being the epic 4g

I hope it improves but my month for using it was paltry at best...be that as it may even in comparison to the two devices, while the HD2 gave a better android experience as well as options (sense mostly), I am still hesitant to even return to android.

Yeah your results vary and I can say maybe it was a bum device I'll give it that and definitely will give it a shot again, but its hard for me just because wp7 has a really smooth experience and everything is fast.

I highly recommend if you can test wp7 for 14 days, TEST IT. It's hard to go back from it

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uh oh, you said something bad about the epic....put your flame suit on :D! my brother had winmo way before me, I put his epic to bed with my hd2...someone here said he must be a rookie lol!

Noir 12-31-2010 09:28 PM

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uh oh, you said something bad about the epic....put your flame suit on :D! my brother had winmo way before me, I put his epic to bed with my hd2...someone here said he must be a rookie lol!

I won't go that far but I just thought that for the month, android 2.1 and the samsung epic. It should've been a match in heaven (especially in Chicago)
Poor signal
lag (far too much lag even after rooting/custom build/switching launchers)
typing experience could've been better (well on screen smart keyboard was quite pleasant actually a great saving grace)

I mean experience varies I just had a horrible experience. My device could've been a lemon I didn't give it more than a month and that's the sad thing

Dr.8820 12-31-2010 09:40 PM

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i don't want the masses to think i'm downing the epic, i'm just amused by everyone in love with it...and i'm waiting for ex to show up again :D. wp7 has some flaws, it's definitely not perfect, but i think it's off to a good start. the tmobile person said i've got 20 days, i intend on testing it and hopefully this rumored update coming will address some of the flaws...like no gmail sync :( (at least it won't for me, saw something at xda that i might try).

gTen 12-31-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2027543)
I won't go that far but I just thought that for the month, android 2.1 and the samsung epic. It should've been a match in heaven (especially in Chicago)
Poor signal
lag (far too much lag even after rooting/custom build/switching launchers)
typing experience could've been better (well on screen smart keyboard was quite pleasant actually a great saving grace)

I mean experience varies I just had a horrible experience. My device could've been a lemon I didn't give it more than a month and that's the sad thing

Yeah..sounds like its the device..cause as I said its generally completely lag free out of box...never had any issues and never had any lockups, freezes or resets...I mean I even had 3d games running, hit home and it instant swaps in and out of the game..

I'm personally fine with TouchWiz..but I know some don't like it or more used to sense...

Like wise after trying the Epic its kinda hard to go back :/

nrfitchett4 01-01-2011 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2027548)
i don't want the masses to think i'm downing the epic, i'm just amused by everyone in love with it...and i'm waiting for ex to show up again :D. wp7 has some flaws, it's definitely not perfect, but i think it's off to a good start. the tmobile person said i've got 20 days, i intend on testing it and hopefully this rumored update coming will address some of the flaws...like no gmail sync :( (at least it won't for me, saw something at xda that i might try).

what issues are you having with gmail? I just entered all my email addresses/ passwords and set to push and it works as intended.

sp4rtan5 01-01-2011 01:23 PM

What's wrong with you all? The galaxy s lineup is the fastest and most popular phone in history. Its hummingbird gpu is amazing. Android 2.1 and 2.2 run incredibly smoott and fast. Its super omaled screen is incredible! So stunning that ever person that I showed it to, amazingly give me a surprised and shocked look. They fall head over heels for it. And out the box, it works 100%. Noir, u said out the box it dont work. I suggest to pull your cranium out ur arse. I cant go back to regular lcd screens, they look very badly washed out. W7 is no exeption. Its a htc phone, so expect lcd fail-o-rama. Btw, no copy /paste. Might as well get a iphone4. At least with that you have a gpu that comes close to the epics humming bird.

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Dr.8820 01-01-2011 01:36 PM

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....see my earlier post about those obsessed with the epic....

sp4rtan5 01-01-2011 07:05 PM

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....see my earlier post about those obsessed with the epic....

How much for a blue bike? But no girly handle bars.

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Noir 01-01-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sp4rtan5 (Post 2027839)
What's wrong with you all? The galaxy s lineup is the fastest and most popular phone in history. Its hummingbird gpu is amazing. Android 2.1 and 2.2 run incredibly smoott and fast. Its super omaled screen is incredible! So stunning that ever person that I showed it to, amazingly give me a surprised and shocked look. They fall head over heels for it. And out the box, it works 100%. Noir, u said out the box it dont work. I suggest to pull your cranium out ur arse. I cant go back to regular lcd screens, they look very badly washed out. W7 is no exeption. Its a htc phone, so expect lcd fail-o-rama. Btw, no copy /paste. Might as well get a iphone4. At least with that you have a gpu that comes close to the epics humming bird.

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obligatory post...
oh yes the device had issues and somehow it's my mental problem. Says the person that spells like a retarded 3 year old...

The lovely thing about wp7 is lcd is not the only screen (see samsung focus and dell venue pro). Just because some HTC devices have lcd and slcd, it also doesn't mean that s amoled goes without issues. With color gradients, s amoled performs POORLY with any graphics that have color gradients. typically battery with s amoled screens and wp7 is very poor (many have reported similar findings with android as well), so while the quality is crisp, there are SEVERAL sacrifices.

Third, while using a snapdragon processor, I have to say, graphically, wp7 has not given me any issues. AT ALL, and actually while giving me similar iphone graphics (heck it takes about 5 days to port an iphone program to wp7), I like that the zune experience, speed, and (I'll say it) eye candy makes me go back to it. The UX/UI is the thing that kept me going back.

Finally, I don't have an HTC wp7 device as my main driver =)

gTen 01-01-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2028047)
obligatory post...
oh yes the device had issues and somehow it's my mental problem. Says the person that spells like a retarded 3 year old...

The lovely thing about wp7 is lcd is not the only screen (see samsung focus and dell venue pro). Just because some HTC devices have lcd and slcd, it also doesn't mean that s amoled goes without issues. With color gradients, s amoled performs POORLY with any graphics that have color gradients. typically battery with s amoled screens and wp7 is very poor (many have reported similar findings with android as well), so while the quality is crisp, there are SEVERAL sacrifices.

Third, while using a snapdragon processor, I have to say, graphically, wp7 has not given me any issues. AT ALL, and actually while giving me similar iphone graphics (heck it takes about 5 days to port an iphone program to wp7), I like that the zune experience, speed, and (I'll say it) eye candy makes me go back to it. The UX/UI is the thing that kept me going back.

Finally, I don't have an HTC wp7 device as my main driver =)

On Android we have Voodoo color fix for those that find colors an issue...we also have mods to lower minimum brightness as 0% is like 30% on lcd to save battery..

That said I personally think M$ messed up making the 1st gen snapdragon the minimum..they should have went 2nd gen...this is really going to cause issues for gamers as games have to comply to "minimum" specs..thus games would never be gimped in the long run until M$ raises minimum specs...

Dr.8820 01-02-2011 12:58 AM

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@ noir, I love when shortcomings are pointed out and the only response is "but the screen is so pretty".....not one word about the os lol.

WorldWide 01-02-2011 01:23 AM

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My Epic is on the way. I feel I have to give another OS a shot just to get out the WM box. WP7 is definitely in my future after it matures a little. I love Sprint Premier. This time next year it should be a nice WP7 device waiting for me.

Dr.8820 01-02-2011 01:37 AM

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Eh Tu, worldwide, eh Tu? (You too in French, I think :))

yankees45us 01-02-2011 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WorldWide (Post 2028239)
My Epic is on the way. I feel I have to give another OS a shot just to get out the WM box. WP7 is definitely in my future after it matures a little. I love Sprint Premier. This time next year it should be a nice WP7 device waiting for me.

Same here. I tried both epic and evo and i chose evo. I love android but with my premier account I am looking forward you trying out a wp7 next year. Hopefully by then alot of the apps I have on android will be on wp7 and they'll have some updates already released. All I can say is im looking forward to trying out wp7. I miss all the cool stuff I was able to do with winmo. I just needed better stability and only android gave me that on sprint. We'll see how wp7 does.

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nrfitchett4 01-02-2011 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sp4rtan5 (Post 2027839)
What's wrong with you all? The galaxy s lineup is the fastest and most popular phone in history. Its hummingbird gpu is amazing. Android 2.1 and 2.2 run incredibly smoott and fast. Its super omaled screen is incredible! So stunning that ever person that I showed it to, amazingly give me a surprised and shocked look. They fall head over heels for it. And out the box, it works 100%. Noir, u said out the box it dont work. I suggest to pull your cranium out ur arse. I cant go back to regular lcd screens, they look very badly washed out. W7 is no exeption. Its a htc phone, so expect lcd fail-o-rama. Btw, no copy /paste. Might as well get a iphone4. At least with that you have a gpu that comes close to the epics humming bird.

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2028050)
On Android we have Voodoo color fix for those that find colors an issue...we also have mods to lower minimum brightness as 0% is like 30% on lcd to save battery..

That said I personally think M$ messed up making the 1st gen snapdragon the minimum..they should have went 2nd gen...this is really going to cause issues for gamers as games have to comply to "minimum" specs..thus games would never be gimped in the long run until M$ raises minimum specs...

and what fancy games do you have to play on your fancy screen with your fancy processor???
Android is way behind on gaming, which is sad considering the 2 year head start...

gTen 01-02-2011 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 2028331)
and what fancy games do you have to play on your fancy screen with your fancy processor???
Android is way behind on gaming, which is sad considering the 2 year head start...

Yes overall they are..mostly because they haven't exactly focused on it..that said the Unreal Engine 3 has been ported to Android in these last few months...and with the Playstation phone coming out next year I would expect much more games for 2011...

That said the Dungeon Defender game which isn't even that graphic intensive..(in comparison to say Infinity Blade) is pretty much almost unplayable...The 1st snapdragon GPU is pretty pathetic...I mean even the iphone 3gs outperforms it (which is also a little sad on Apple's part as they used same GPU on 3gs and 4)..

See M$ promised xbox integration as one of the major feature..but by making the 1st gen snapdragon the minimum they are limiting gaming by A LOT...and since all games will have to comply with the "minimum" standard even if better specced phones are released they will be "limited" by that minimum..so M$ will either have to dump the phones released now within less then 6 month or be completely overwhelmed by the competition..cause in a month or 2 phones like the G2 are about to be considered "medium tiered phone" and phones like the EVO would fall under "low tiered" or "bottom medium tiered"..this is not a good start for WP7...this is why so many people were disappointed when the phone specs were announced..everyone thought M$ would dish out dual cores ahead of the rest and try to set a standard for better hardware...instead they released phones behind the curve...quite sad :/

nrfitchett4 01-02-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2028337)
Yes overall they are..mostly because they haven't exactly focused on it..that said the Unreal Engine 3 has been ported to Android in these last few months...and with the Playstation phone coming out next year I would expect much more games for 2011...

That said the Dungeon Defender game which isn't even that graphic intensive..(in comparison to say Infinity Blade) is pretty much almost unplayable...The 1st snapdragon GPU is pretty pathetic...I mean even the iphone 3gs outperforms it (which is also a little sad on Apple's part as they used same GPU on 3gs and 4)..

See M$ promised xbox integration as one of the major feature..but by making the 1st gen snapdragon the minimum they are limiting gaming by A LOT...and since all games will have to comply with the "minimum" standard even if better specced phones are released they will be "limited" by that minimum..so M$ will either have to dump the phones released now within less then 6 month or be completely overwhelmed by the competition..cause in a month or 2 phones like the G2 are about to be considered "medium tiered phone" and phones like the EVO would fall under "low tiered" or "bottom medium tiered"..this is not a good start for WP7...this is why so many people were disappointed when the phone specs were announced..everyone thought M$ would dish out dual cores ahead of the rest and try to set a standard for better hardware...instead they released phones behind the curve...quite sad :/

And what games am I lacking that the snapdragon with hardware accelerated gpu am I lacking? Graphics right now are better than winmo and android and on par with the iphone.

WorldWide 01-02-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2028251)
Eh Tu, worldwide, eh Tu? (You too in French, I think :))

Lol, yeh my bro got one and I was impressed enough that I hit up wirefly and picked one up for $150. I'm looking forward to exploring Android since I know little about it. I knocked it until I tried it, but I have high hopes for WP7 also, and right now Sprint 's not offering anything that's tantalizing from MS.

Dr.8820 01-02-2011 10:29 AM

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I'm messing with ya, congrats bro but watch out, you and ex are now related by phone :D!

WorldWide 01-02-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2028372)
I'm messing with ya, congrats bro but watch out, you and ex are now related by phone :D!

Yeah, G-ten reminded me...:error:

sp4rtan5 01-02-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WorldWide (Post 2028239)
My Epic is on the way. I feel I have to give another OS a shot just to get out the WM box. WP7 is definitely in my future after it matures a little. I love Sprint Premier. This time next year it should be a nice WP7 device waiting for me.

What has the world come too? Lol. Worldwife, u are finally using your brans! Good job.

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sp4rtan5 01-02-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WorldWide (Post 2028361)
Lol, yeh my bro got one and I was impressed enough that I hit up wirefly and picked one up for $150. I'm looking forward to exploring Android since I know little about it. I knocked it until I tried it, but I have high hopes for WP7 also, and right now Sprint 's not offering anything that's tantalizing from MS.

You gonna be very happy. Epic is what I was hoping for for many years of owning only htc phones woth false hours of maybe one day htc gonna give us the 3d drivers. Worlwife, u gonna have a ppc that actually is faster than the iphone4. The power is mind blowing. Everything is fast! And hd video recording its smooth. No hiccups on the hd recording unlike the evo 2 year old snapdragon (snapsnail). And the screen..... Omg. Gtfo! Awesome! At night its beautiful, since blacks are pitch black due to its omaled screen. Ull be happy. Trust me llama.


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gTen 01-02-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 2028348)
And what games am I lacking that the snapdragon with hardware accelerated gpu am I lacking? Graphics right now are better than winmo and android and on par with the iphone.

The GPU inside the iphone is better then the GPU inside WP7 phones, the GPU inside The latest offerings from Android are also better then WP7...your saying is better then Android and on par with an iphone?

fine i'll give you 2 games and I want you to tell me which games have better graphics that are on WP7..

Android - Dungeon Defenders
iPhone - Infinity Blade

jessiethe3rd 01-02-2011 03:37 PM

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Arguing over *SLIGHTLY* better graphics is rather stupid if you ask me. These phones all have very close graphics. The ecosystem or the ability to create a difference in how one plays games is the key differator. No question that something like the PS3 has better graphics then all other game systems. That inevitably doesn't change the fact that the playing experience on the Wii and the online experience on the Xbox check the PS3 by far. Even with PS apps beginning to appear the whole concept behind gamer points really has people playing games for fun and bragging rights... hence why you see Google and Apple both trying to create a compelling gaming ecosystem to compete.

Also be advised that minimum specs are minimum specs not specs written in stone. New phones will probably be released at CES 2011 and I'd expect a minimum spec update for WP7 in the near future.


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