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smoove21 11-02-2010 11:23 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7... Doomed?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1855726)
Ok 2 things...

1) Microsoft is the name of a company..a company can do many things..Windows on the other hand is a product.. imagine M$ came in next day and called Microsoft Office the XBOX and the XBOX Microsoft office..wouldn't you be confused? you dont have to convince me..ask anyone what Windows is..they will tell you its a computer....I mean M$ even makes commercials saying Windows = PC...

2) The reason why M$ got through the market was 2 things, 1) they paid developers money to make the games..aka bribe...that won't work here because Google is already doing the bribing (its actually one of the reasons Google broke through with Android) and also a lot of game publishers were frustrated with Sony and they lost a bunch of exclusives...

Yes but that whole bribing thing left microsoft with about 3 exclusives.Instead of buying game companies like sony or maybe ea, they cut short term deals that work against them in the long wrong. Thats why nintendo and sony will (for at least the next 4-5 years) have more 1st party exclusive games. It wasn't that game 'developers' not publishers were frustrated with sony. Its simply that microsoft was first with next gen hardware.Lesser competition= larger consumer base. Microsoft is a great company and some of their products are great. I feel that the problem is that they're too ****y. Instead of building trust and loyalty with their partners and the consumers who buy their products. They simply drop support or block features only to charge you for later. Throwing money around doesn't guarantee success.

aximtreo 11-02-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 2 Bunny (Post 1933259)
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Well, these are more or less UI limitations I am talking about. When I say this next part, I may sound heartless and cruel, but don't take it the wrong way please. People need to learn how to use touch screens, or we wouldn't have WM7 5 buttons on a single screen and toilet paper scrolling.
IMO.

- 2 Bunny

Sounds to me like too many of us are taking the reviews that we have seen as the gospel. We don't seem to be thinking for ourselves made obvious by the fact none of us have had our hands on a WP7 device as yet. Most of the shortcomings pointed out by the reviewers are things that I don't care much about or would utilize that much. I'm not a power user; I'm a person that want's the system to operate simply enough to do the things I want to do. I for one look forward to growing with WP7 hardware and software wise over the next few months.:tshirt:

AZTECHKA 11-03-2010 01:31 PM

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Windows Phone 7 handset pre-orders sell-out in UK, Orange offering £20 “goodwill” voucher

It's selling out!!!

demonlordoftheround 11-03-2010 02:13 PM

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Lets see how it does over here.

AZTECHKA 11-03-2010 02:24 PM

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I'm buying one... So... That's one sale. LOL
p.

demonlordoftheround 11-03-2010 02:37 PM

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I'm going to need to have one in my grubby hands before I decide.

yankees45us 11-03-2010 02:42 PM

I probably won't give up android but I will give wp7 a try. If it turns out to be great then I might get it for my wife. Wp7 is already getting the netflix app which android still doesn't have. That's a plus for microsoft. They are getting alot of developer support. Hopefully its a good os. If it is then that means more choices and hopefully lower prices for consumers.

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AZTECHKA 11-03-2010 02:59 PM

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Like I've said all along... I'm getting one and will be happy to consider myself almost a beta user. Already they have found a few "glitches" in Europe and I thnk MS is taking note for the next release.
Nothing big. But noted.
p.

Kris443 11-03-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 1987269)
Like I've said all along... I'm getting one and will be happy to consider myself almost a beta user. Already they have found a few "glitches" in Europe and I thnk MS is taking note for the next release.
Nothing big. But noted.
p.

this is all great!!! I'm listening eagerly!!! :hello2:

rainfreak 11-04-2010 01:05 PM

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Looks like sales are still going strong in Europe.. if only the manufacturers could keep up with the demand.

Windows Phone sold out in the UK, supply constraints continue

AZTECHKA 11-04-2010 01:10 PM

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The support is not dwindling either... Still think it's doomed???

Survey: 20% of publishers/developers are planning to focus on Windows Phone 7 | Windows Phone Central

AZTECHKA 11-04-2010 01:10 PM

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Morgan Stanley seems optimistic to say the least...
Prediction: Microsoft to sell between 3.5 to 4 million WP7 devices (Q4) | Windows Phone Central

Dr.8820 11-04-2010 01:24 PM

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I just played with an hd7!

cyclical 11-04-2010 03:20 PM

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I just played with an hd7!


ANNNNND?

What did you think?

demonlordoftheround 11-04-2010 03:43 PM

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Inquisitive minds want to know!

Dr.8820 11-04-2010 03:48 PM

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we couldn't open any of the tiles lol. the guys at the kiosk didn't know you can't take the memory card out (you can't see it without taking the back apart).

horndoctor 11-05-2010 03:08 AM

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we couldn't open any of the tiles lol. the guys at the kiosk didn't know you can't take the memory card out (you can't see it without taking the back apart).

You broke it!? :angry7:

cyclical 11-05-2010 09:22 AM

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lol, way to break it

Dr.8820 11-05-2010 10:45 AM

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I didn't break it lol, thanks to courtney, I showed the guys the picture from the news section!

Dr.8820 11-05-2010 10:53 AM

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copy/ paste coming soon! Copy and paste coming to Windows Phone 7 ‘in a matter of weeks’ | BGR

Morningglory 11-05-2010 01:00 PM

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The phone only app store at the Microsoft phone 7 marketplace is like candy land..if 7 is to survive the serious and functioning programs we already have and have had for quite some time, must be updated and down-loadable with out a phone connection.. through active sync/device center.. Don't get a bad case of Iphone envy.. I'm in it for the real qwerty keyboard... We're so close to realizing a pocket computer with guts, but Its gonna crash if we don't stop seeing it as a phone that acts like a Droid, its not a phone! (it has one) it is a PPC....

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Morningglory (Post 1988750)
The phone only app store at the Microsoft phone 7 marketplace is like candy land..if 7 is to survive the serious and functioning programs we already have and have had for quite some time, must be updated and down-loadable with out a phone connection.. through active sync/device center.. Don't get a bad case of Iphone envy.. I'm in it for the real qwerty keyboard... We're so close to realizing a pocket computer with guts, but Its gonna crash if we don't stop seeing it as a phone that acts like a Droid, its not a phone! (it has one) it is a PPC....

You are obviously not in the demographic that is being targeted by Microsoft with this product.
You probably fall more into the windows embeded category.
It's more of a niche product and has more of what YOU are looking for.
WP7 is a direct competitor for the iPhone and will have a broader appeal.
The cool thing is that we all have choices and we aren't stuck with one or another.

demonlordoftheround 11-05-2010 02:02 PM

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we couldn't open any of the tiles lol. the guys at the kiosk didn't know you can't take the memory card out (you can't see it without taking the back apart).

was that because the was no data connection?

Dr.8820 11-05-2010 02:17 PM

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I was trying to respond on the hd7 but it wouldn't do mobile pages lol! the speed on it is incredible though....makes my hd2 feel like my old samsung m900!

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 02:19 PM

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The guys at the kiosks don't know their own last name.
We need to give them a business card directing them to this site!
They're a bunch of Lames! (Yes... I just turned a verb into a noun) LOL.
p.

Dr.8820 11-05-2010 02:21 PM

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I had to get my sim card switched, I messed with it some more today. it is a learning curve over winmo, but it did grow on me a little :).

Morningglory 11-05-2010 02:31 PM

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Ill take my tp2 over the Iphone for sure... I'm worried about some really good programs going extinct....

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 02:31 PM

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I was trying to respond on the hd7 but it wouldn't do mobile pages lol! the speed on it is incredible though....makes my hd2 feel like my old samsung m900!

You mean that old technology processor was able to preform at a satisfactory level?
Hmmm... Where did I hear that... Did someone here mention that this would be the case due to the OS being as "light" as it is?

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Morningglory (Post 1988862)
Ill take my tp2 over the Iphone for sure... I'm worried about some really good programs going extinct....

Alot of the programs will be extinct. Some will continue to get updates as WinMo appears to be hanging around for a while at least... Windows Embeded is based on WinMo 6.5.3. However some will be gone forever from the WinMo platform... Most developers choose to develop for 3 platforms. Now we have WP7, iOS, Android, Rim at the forefront... They may support 4 but WinMo is not likely to be one of them.
But who knows.
p.

Kris443 11-05-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 1988801)
WP7 is a direct competitor for the iPhone and will have a broader appeal.

Yep - exactly - wish folks would understand that! But I don't think they'll really get it until 7.5, but I really hope WP7 does well!!!

demonlordoftheround 11-05-2010 04:33 PM

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It is nice to hear that the device is responsive!

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 04:41 PM

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I agree bro... Now I can't wait to get my TP2 that I always wanted... (7PRO) lol.

demonlordoftheround 11-05-2010 04:54 PM

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How long ago was it that we were teased with that nvidia tegra processor? Looks like THE windows device will soon be here. Any idea when we may see demo units in the Sprint stores?

AZTECHKA 11-05-2010 04:56 PM

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Well... Apparently the employees witll be able to pre order soon. Not sure how soon after that they will get it.
But Shouldn't be too long... I've got a busy and costly holiday season ahead of me. I'm kinda glad it won't get here till early 2011. Gives me a chance to recover the wallet.

aximtreo 11-05-2010 07:59 PM

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Seems that a 3.7" screen HTC WP7 is on the way to Verizon. I'll wait till at least a 4" screen is available.

HTC Windows Phone 7 smartphone spotted on way to Verizon? - SlashGear

smoove21 11-05-2010 09:16 PM

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In the beginning i didn't care about microsoft's new os at all. Now it's actually starting to grow on me. Don't get me wrong, i still don't want one because webos is the os i love lol. I'm just waiting on better hardware for it. I haven't had the chance to actually play with microsofts new baby but i believe it's better than android in some ways. I bought my girl an evo not too long ago and its a great device i must admit. The problem is that its the hardware and skin (sense) that htc provided that makes it a completely sexy device.I've had a mogul/touch pro and tp2 so i've always enjoyed what HTC makes. I feel like most people are claiming to love android and what they really love is what phone manufacturers add to it that makes it pretty/sexy and consumer friendly.

gTen 11-06-2010 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smoove21 (Post 1989205)
The problem is that its the hardware and skin (sense) that htc provided that makes it a completely sexy device.I've had a mogul/touch pro and tp2 so i've always enjoyed what HTC makes. I feel like most people are claiming to love android and what they really love is what phone manufacturers add to it that makes it pretty/sexy and consumer friendly.

Not exactly...while sense is a popular ui many people still opt to use launcher pro and adw launcher..the power of Android lies in it customization. realistically speaking at the moment its probably the closest alternative to the current winmo of having a pocket pc and a phone in one....and unlike winmo..Android is enjoying the new hardware and is taking advantages of the new processors/gpus and etc.

not only that, its also fairly customizable to the average consumer with the implementation of widgets.

demonlordoftheround 11-06-2010 09:28 AM

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The only real problem with Sense it is that you are pretty much stuck with the layout as provided by HTC. With Android, widgets can be moved around to really create a customized interface.

smoove21 11-06-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1989326)
Not exactly...while sense is a popular ui many people still opt to use launcher pro and adw launcher..the power of Android lies in it customization. realistically speaking at the moment its probably the closest alternative to the current winmo of having a pocket pc and a phone in one....and unlike winmo..Android is enjoying the new hardware and is taking advantages of the new processors/gpus and etc.

not only that, its also fairly customizable to the average consumer with the implementation of widgets.

I agree about being fairly customizable with widgets, but most people dont use launcher pro or adw launcher. Maybe most people that roam sites such as this one but not the average consumer. All they know is what they're told.If they know they like android then thats enough. They walk into the store looking for android phones. Not phones running sense or touchwiz. We research and understand that htc/samsung/dell etc all have their own ui's over android itself.

smoove21 11-06-2010 02:22 PM

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The only real problem with Sense it is that you are pretty much stuck with the layout as provided by HTC. With Android, widgets can be moved around to really create a customized interface.

Yes but lets be honest. We really aren't the average consumer. When we compare android to the old winmo it's because of the ability to tweak the os and flash different roms. We are the minority. The first thing any of us (users of sites such as this one) do when we get any new os is try to root/flash/tweak or just plain old make the os do things it didnt do right out the box. Demonlordoftheround kinda made the point i was trying to get at. My opinion was that most people (the majority) don't realize that android isn't sense or touchwiz. All the average consumer can do is customize the interface within sense. To someone like us sense or any other ui doesn't matter because nine times out of ten, we're just going to flash a custom rom anyway. My girlfriend has an evo, she loves everything about it. She says she loves android and the weather effects (of sense) are cute. She doesn't realize that its htc's sense ui that she's in love with. If it wasn't for me she would expect all phones running android to at the very least have what sense has. I could imagine there are many other android users thinking somewhere along the lines of her.


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