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I don't disagree about the UI's being confused..an example is the gimmick where everyone is calling Android.."Droids"..which is pretty much Verizon's marketing campaign...Then again a consumer can identify that there is a variety among android such as "motoblur" and "sense"..and now Touchwiz too..for most users they are used to "switching" interfaces every time they buy a new phone so I dont think they particularly buy it for the UI..they just try it and if they like it take it...

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Yes. How many people walk into a cellular. provider and ask for a phone with sense or touchwiz? The average user just wants something that flat out works.

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We need to sue microsoft for not supporting any of the past windows mobile phone. Its so slow and feezes. Why are they are still selling windows mobile phone(6.5 and under)? They stopped releasing any tweaks or support for the older phone already. I have a touch pro 2 since january of this year and I am stuck with 2 yrs contract on this crappy mobile OS. If i knew they not gonna support tp2, I wouldn't have got this phone. After a month use it starts to slow down. I am tire of reflashing to different rom and restarting my phone like 3 to 4 times a day. I can't even install any appz because it will slow down the phone. Right now I am waiting for a completed version of android. I have no future plans to buy any Microsoft products again including xbox 360. I have switch my desktop operating system and migrate everything to Ubuntu. I hope windows 7 is dead on arrival.

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Actually M$ just sells licenses and support to the manufacturer who then gives it to you....M$ never claimed to provide support...which is one of the reasons why winmo has had issues..

Android is fairly complete right now..or at least complete enough in functionality to compete with winmo.

You don't need to go that far..while i'm not the biggest fan of how M$ does things there is no reason to "specifically" avoid them and make your own life worse...use whatever works best..simple as that...

Windows 7 already succeeded...you mean WP7

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With posts like this, I KNOW WP7 is succeeding, and will succeed. It's the "wawawawaaaaaa I don't want to ever change" voice of a very tiny percentage. :notworthy:

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umm, i didn't get that. he want's change, but not a change to crappy gsm. we still do not have any cdma wp7 options.

actually the problems with everything getting sluggish is because it's still a PC, with phone, sms, mms added onto it. I think wp7 will perform much better as a cell phone, but yeah there will be a few of us still carrying around a ppc to do 'real' work. ;)

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To each his own. Using your position, I should sue Microsoft because my Win 95 PC won't run any of the new Office or IE products. Gosh, I might win and get to retire early.#-o

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not so fast. the mobile o/s doesn't have to play by the same rules since it as an o/s is not sold to consumers. the desktop o/s's are mandated by the feds to maintain support for 5yrs after discontinuation.

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Things change and you have to change with them. Otherwise we would all be living in 1976.

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Maybe that's what MS wants is for people to think of this phone as a PC. Maybe unlike you MS is looking far into the future. These phones these days have the computing power of a 486 PC of the 80's and if you think they will not get more powerful you are not to bright. MS is probably looking at these phones as what they will eventually become, which is a phone and a laptop. One day instead of carrying around a bulky laptop or Pad PC you will carry around a collapsible 15" monitor and keyboard in a 5" X 5" carrying case. When you open and power them up it will auto-connect to your phone and you are now using your phone as a laptop. So now Windows PC = Phone. This will happen within the next ten years, so MS probably has a method to their madness. Any phone OS manufacturer not thinking in this direction now will get caught playing catch up like MS is now and they are probably trying to become the front runner. Get out of your little box, its a box of failure. If you don't believe me neither did everyone else who laughed a my Kyocera 6035 palm phone when I told them it was the future. They are not laughing anymore and are trying to be like me. I just laugh when they try to show me their new little gadgets, its just cracks me up. I just say your about ten years late. LOL

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Well thats not what Joe Belfiore thinks...if you don't know he is the vice president of windows phone 7 program...



Windows Phone 7 Spurs Microsoft's Mobile Strategy - PCWorld

So I'm guessing you know M$ strategy better then they themselves do >.>??

I am not saying the future is not PCs..even the iphone is opening up little by little...M$ on the other hand is going in years behind...

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It amazes me, the arrogance of companys and people. Everytime Microsoft comes out with a new product to compete with someone elses, the news reports, people, and companies all say the same thing. "No way MS can catch up, they should just give up..."

Lets look at the past and see who won against Microsoft. A small sampling.
Lotus 123 vs Excell - MS
Wordperfect vs Word - MS
Novell vs Windows Server - MS
Netscape vs IE - MS
Sony Playstation vs Xbox - TIE hehe
Macintosh vs Windows - MS
VMWare vs Hypervisor - TIE (For now)

Always people say MS can't compete. Those companies above sat on their arrogant asses and said no one can touch us. Microsoft built, listened and changed based on what CUSTOMERS want and blew right past their competitors.

They also have failed at times, but...Pick up and move on forward.

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There are also many times M$ failed at..like Zune vs iPod?

The above instances were fought with M$ having an advantage..biggest being when Windows grew to be like 90% market share..it made pushing software a lot easier...in Netscape's case they mostly lost cause IE was bundled with Windows. The same applies to the M$ office suite...On the xbox 360 suite they got a lot of market share because Sony was suborn and lost Square, they were too focused on promoting blueray and M$ spent a lot of money bribing developers...this time around the competition is already bribing developers..same trick dont work twice..

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I like the Zune-like interface of WP7 and the Zune desktop software isn't TOO bad...a lot of eye-candy though.

Its doomed. I had hope, but now that I used it. It's doomed. Nothing ground breaking. It's more of a sad attempt to clone the iphone. Sorry but fail.

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Microsoft was not destine to win the whole iPod versus Zune contest... Everyone knew that. What people do not realize is that Microsoft has swung their company to be much more services driven... this is why you see services like ZunePass growing (and trust me - it will continue to grow big time now with WP7.) This is why people pay Microsoft $50 a year to play Xbox Live... This is also why companies like Netflix are succeeding and why Apple may have to rethink it's strategy on Micro-music transactions for a subscription service. The thing about subscription vs. per transactions is that once people get locked into a service they are highly unlikely to leave. The ZunePass retention rate is ubber high... it's like crack - once you get a taste you do not want to go back.

Regardless - Microsoft HAS lost before. KIN was a failed attempt at a product which did not have all the right ingredients in place and in the pot to get cooking... kids who actually used the device loved it. Microsoft kind of failed at the channel effort and their business relationship with Verizon.

When Microsoft says they are in it for the "race" and not the sprint (no pun ;)) you know you are in trouble. They will wear your a$$ down like a river rock. They do not quit and the do not stop. Just ask Sony and Nintendo. Ask Sun Microsystems. Ask Novell. Ask IBM. Ask Oracle. I would say ask Google but they are so new in the market with such fanfair they definitely will be a good challenge for Microsoft as they both have big revenues. Funny thing is that these two companies need each other more than anything... probably has to do with the ethos and leadership of Google - Eric has a hate on for Microsoft like you wouldn't believe through his many years of losing badly to Microsoft.

Alas, I digress, someone who actually thinks the WP7 device is a "clone" of an iPhone needs to get their head checked out... WP7 and iPhone have nothing in common except for the control module for software updates. Of course leave it to any AppleFanBoy to believe that Apple actually made the world of SmartPhones. Give your unaddressed market an Android phone and a WP7 device. Which one do you think they'll get first? Which one will give them the best experience? If you think it's Android you may need to look in the mirror and ask if your Geek ego is taking over reality. The WP7 GUI is much cleaner, much more simplistic... fact of the matter is at the end of the day WP7 will not fail - it will compete and do quite well especially capturing the market that hasn't stepped to the table yet... that is by far still the largest market. We are just a bunch of geeks battling over petty stuff - the unaddressed market is far more "interesting" to a company like Microsoft.

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It is not doomed. It is very far from it in fact. Although many think that "everyone who wants a smartphone already has one", this is an extremely flawed perception. The growth of the smartphone market can be likened to the PC market of the 1980's or the internet of the 1990's. The majority of the users 5 years from now are fairly oblivious to the entire smartphone market now. I would go as far as to say that I would be surprised if "dumb phones" are even available in 5 years.

Smartphones are rapidly replacing home PC's. The entire smartphone revolution is still in it's infancy. MS is focusing on the time frame/market when the vast majority of web traffic is handheld based, where social networks such as facebook are much more than a method of looking up ex's but a common solution for searching and hiring employees, selling and buying products, etc.

I am not saying that there is no way that MS can fail, I am just saying it is highly unlikely[/end spock]. They are the pretty much the only game in desktop OS, with something like 80% of the market share. And they are fully, completely aware of the importance of portable computing. I fully believe that MS has the funds to do whatever it takes to make them a dominant player, if not the primary player, in mobile OS's. You don't dominate the entire digital age by not knowing what you are doing.

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Though so far M$ has yet to beat Google even once...that said Google isn't really that reliant on M$, and M$ hates google a lot...

I don't see a reason for him to hate M$...he has never actually lost to them either...

They are referring to a closed down ecosystem..that said if iphone comes to all carriers..and Zune was never able to bead the ipod..why would similar devices be any different? aka why would people choose WP7 over an iphone?

Android is not that hard to navigate...that said most consumers play around with the phones they try..so if they play around with one android phone with SenseUI for example and don't like it, they may pick up another on with say TouchWiz and like it..on the other hand if they don't like the WP7 UI..its end game...I can speak from experience that when I go with my friends who don't know much about phone pickup one phone and don't like it..once they see same UI on a different phone they don't even bother trying it...

The thing about WP7 is it needs to break through a tough ground...its not impossible but it will be one of the hardest things yet for them...

During that time bill gates was with M$..Baltmer is fail though and has no clue what he is doing..that said M$ has Apple and Google ahead, HP on same point, and Intel/Nokia from behind to deal with..and each of those companies has as much and some have eve more money then M$...

I think a lot of die hard fans of windows mobile are upset because Microsoft dumped the platform all together. Now they are introduced to windows 7 and the "openness" is gone... so off to android they go. I get that but Google UI is not as intuitive as Windows Phone 7 or the iPhone. Most tech blogs agree to that. Sense and TouchWiz are not heavily modified versions of android to begin with. Again, there's that preference for openness that Windows mobile fans complain about with 7. Apple isn't moving in an open direction, period. A few changes yes but they clearly aren't headed in Googles direction. So yeah, underneath all the arguments I think people feel phones should be "open" and windows isn't anymore so they are upset.

My 2 cents.

Great article, the guy nailed it. I was a true hardcore wm user. I refused everything and anything for years. But lets face it, u can do rd gazzilian tweaks to the rhe wm versions and you still have a very slooooowwwwww device. Opening and closing apps takes 10 seconds or more. And pray you dont get a phonecall while you are multitasking. If you do, you are in a world of hurt.

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I agree. I remember I had the touch pro and flashed to a Rom, it was really fast, or seemed to be.. but it still took time for the apps to load. It's time to move on

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I don't know if Windows Phone 7 is doomed or not but I think even if it does manage to survive its going to be a very rocky road ahead for it and MS is going to have to be willing to support and subsidize it for years.

I was an avid WinMo fan and user for years, starting way back when XDA (now HTC) put out their first phones. I lived with it because alternatives really didn't exist that could do what it could do.

Finally, in 2009 I switched to an iPhone. It was a nice phone but not really for me and I hated the ATT service so I switched to VZW and bought an HTC Imagio. The minute I started working with it I remembered why I was tired of the whole WinMO deal and replaced it with my first Android, an HTC Incredible. Android was just maturing and it had its share of niggling little issues but the phone was fast, usable and did 99 percent of what I needed it to do.

I won't say that I will never return to Windows Phone but its not going to happen with WinPhone 7 unless they make major additions and changes to it that make it better than what I'm running now which is the Moto Droid X, a really sweet, fast, nice device.

I didn't find the switch to droid all that difficult. Is it as intuitive as the iphone? No, it isn't but in the bargain it is also NOT a walled off device like the iphone and now WinPhone 7.

In the future I will do just as I have in the past, I will buy whatever suits my needs best and still provides a little techno fun and right now that doesn't include Windows Phone 7 - not even a little bit.

R

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like many in this forum, I have been a long time Windows mobile user and anxiously waited for the Windows 7 phone release on November 8. Just prior to that date, I was reading some reviews of the Windows 7 phone in another forum which stated that the phone would not be compatible with Windows mobile device center and for us Outlook desktop users (non-exchange), the Windows 7 phone would not synchronize with the desktop. I could hardly believe that Microsoft would make such a blunder and literally divorce itself from the thousands of users who were loyal to Windows mobile.

So on November 8 I purchased a Samsung Captivate, that has an exceedingly fast processor and is a joy to use. And, yes, I can synchronize the android phone with my Outlook desktop -- in fact, calendar, contacts, tasks, and notes. Now that I am a very happy android user, it will be very doubtful that I would ever return to a Windows mobile platform.

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just got my hd7....I will this thing to test and let you guys know the difference between winmo and wp7.

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one works out of the box
the other needs a custom rom to get a stable product

I like my wp7 I don't think I'm going back

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yeah, wp7 is growing on me pretty fast...I do miss swype though. only using the tp2 cuz the hd7 is charging....doggone hd2 battery don't fit :(.

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That would have been nice if it did work.
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I'm really impressed with how clean and smooth the os is....of course, I've only been using it a few hours lol.

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Any apps yet?

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there are quite a few in the marketplace, gonna check them out when the phone finishes charging. one thing with wp7 is you have to install the basic apps like youtube and facebook...they have icons but you must download them from the market.

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It's not like when you first hard reset the TP2 where the apps are outdated and then you are prompted to update your app?
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Nah, when you tap it, it just takes you to the marketplace.

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That's strange.
I'm living vicariously through you.
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Lmao, it's all good. As much as I hate Android, live thru my old ladys evo!

Doomed?...... not a chance

WP7 IMO is amazing out of the box!!!

I got my HD7 fom launch day and I am still enjoying it very much, the hardware accelerated smoothness makes it really hard to consider Android again. I get some fustrations from missing things but hey, its a 1.0 OS, but a helluva one :mrgreen:

Cant wait for what the supposed HUGE January update brings

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True that, I think Aztec convinced me on jumping on it while it's still young and grow with it.

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It's the way to really get to appreciate something. If you jump in once it's already in full force... You miss something. Not saying you won't enjoy it. But you do miss something. And that goes with anythig.
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^^ couldnt agree more

I just love to see a platform of my preference blossom into a huge ecosystem and grow in functionality and development. Just growing with it is a fullfilling sensation.

I think thats why we see so many iOS and Droid diehards since a lot of them had it since gen 1 and to see how far the platform has matured is really the way to appreciate it best

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It took me a while to get over swype, about as long as it took me to get used to it, but the auto correct on wp7 is pretty close to perfect.

The nice thing is that even after 6 weeks, and about 80-100 apps installed, it is still as fast as day one. Only 1 freeze up in six weeks, while watching a t.v. show, and it auto shutdown and reboot itself. Rebooting takes less than 30 seconds which is nice.
This thing is just smooth!!! =D>

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I haven't put it down yet :D!